Lightcosmo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Sooks said: You lose nothing by taking the gamble on however many 80s when the attack naturally sets itself up against bosses and the one sword attack just does regular damage. I mean maybe if you were going to double but lmao, doubling Engage bosses. At that point, Bonded Shield to abuse the AI is much better, and a higher % chance at base. I mean, if the boss is the last enemy then they simply cant win in that situation. Bonded Shield > All for One any time imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: At that point, Bonded Shield to abuse the AI is much better, and a higher % chance at base. Aren’t they both 80? And anyway, it depends on the situation. 5 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: I mean, if the boss is the last enemy then they simply cant win in that situation. They absolutely can in a game where any unit loss is effectively a win for the boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Oh, someone translated it! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) Also, now I get why they looked small. The manga begins when Clanne and Framme first became stewards... when they were around 12 years old. Going by the math done in the reddit thread taking the Day X labels. Edited February 20, 2023 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) Say it with me everybody. SWEET HOME ALABAMA 5 hours ago, Lightchao42 said: But the only years since 1997 to not have any Atelier game released were 1999, 2000, 2018, and 2021. And 2019 had two games. Crossover game released for the 20th anniversary. That said, it is considered a spin-off, so it's not like Engage which is mainline. It also doesn't play like Atelier games usually do. Nelke is canon too, as that world was retroactively added in the DX version of Lydie & Suelle, which means Atelier multiverse is real (and Nelke states that she met the future versions of Lydie and Suelle). 2 hours ago, Edelguardiansing said: I really want to play it, believe me, but I'm waiting for things to cool down in my life before putting my time into another huge time sink of a game. Yeah everything else you're playing will breeze through in comparison. Best to make time for it when you can. 2 hours ago, Acacia Sgt said: Guess I'll be the last one here to play Xenoblade, huh But you've played Xenoblade X. 14 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Also, now I get why they looked small. The manga begins when Clanne and Framme first became stewards... when they were around 12 years old. Going by the math done in the reddit thread taking the Day X labels. I wonder if the manga would expand on things. It might. We might even get this neat little thing called worldbuilding. Edited February 20, 2023 by Armagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Armagon said: Say it with me everybody. SWEET HOME JUGDRAL Â I mean, won't stop everyone... Also, if it's not AlcrystxLapis, then you're doing it wrong anyway. 2 minutes ago, Armagon said: But you've played Xenoblade X. Not the main ones, though. Which reminds, I still even haven't finished it X even. 2 minutes ago, Armagon said: I wonder if the manga would expand on things. It might. We might even get this neat little thing called worldbuilding. Hopefully. Edited February 20, 2023 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Sooks said: Aren’t they both 80? And anyway, it depends on the situation. I mean, how many enemy attacks do you take per turn? The odds of that vs a one shot chance or much more reliable is what i meant. 1 hour ago, Sooks said: They absolutely can in a game where any unit loss is effectively a win for the boss. Isn't that kinda on the player for poor setup, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightchao42 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Acacia Sgt said: Put it in spoiler tab? But if it's in a spoiler tag, how can I use it as a reaction? ...Although, now Sooks can know what it's like to specifically be told not to look at a spoiler. Hmm... 1 hour ago, Sooks said: No… Castti…? Sure she's an amnesiac with a probably dark past, but have you considered "fight humans with giant iguana"? And she likes meat, like Timerra. 1 hour ago, Sooks said: Anyway, what made you go Ochette? I initially suggested it because funny Rixia jokes, but I came to like the idea unironically because I want to catch Legendary Pokémon. My game schedule for the next few months is pretty busy so I probably won't get Octopath Traveler II anytime soon... we'll see what happens. 1 hour ago, Sooks said: They should’ve called her Oastti. You mean Oatchi, the dog from Pikmin? 7 minutes ago, Armagon said: Say it with me everybody. Hey, the text size in that image is basically the same text size as in Xenoblade Chronicles X. 5 minutes ago, Armagon said: Crossover game released for the 20th anniversary. That said, it is considered a spin-off, so it's not like Engage which is mainline. It also doesn't play like Atelier games usually do. Nelke is canon too, as that world was retroactively added in the DX version of Lydie & Suelle, which means Atelier multiverse is real (and Nelke states that she met the future versions of Lydie and Suelle). Curses, Wikipedia has failed me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Also, if it's not AlcrystxLapis, then you're doing it wrong anyway. TRUE 8 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Which reminds, I still even haven't finished it X even. That's because Xenoblade X never ends. 8 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Hopefully. Honestly wouldn't be the first time an FE plot is better in manga version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 The Gaiden novelization definitely took advantage the game was barebones, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 >Grim Guardians pre-load on Switch >Storage size: 666 MB Either this is intentional or it's a coincidence but that got a chuckle out of me. 2 minutes ago, Lightchao42 said: Curses, Wikipedia has failed me. Nah cause again, Nelke isn't considered mainline. 2 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: The Gaiden novelization definitely took advantage the game was barebones, that's for sure. It was surprisingly brutal. Kliff fucking dies and then Alm puts Desaix's head on a pike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Alright ready for the next Inti Creates' meal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 On the flip side, someone was a fan of Silque, heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Ok this run is not going well. Despite being close to the finish, i will restart and optimize. I will defeat your trials, Archsage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, Armagon said: Â ...Why Popo? What's the Wood Mana doing repping Iris here? He isn't even playable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Acacia Sgt said: Guess I'll be the last one here to play Xenoblade, huh. What if I’m never playing Xenoblade? 57 minutes ago, Armagon said: Say it with me everybody. SWEET HOME ALABAMA This is what happens when you don’t ship Alcryst x Celine. Also, what’s the text say? Are they cousins or something? 51 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: I mean, how many enemy attacks do you take per turn? The odds of that vs a one shot chance or much more reliable is what i meant. You’re much more likely to die from a missed guard than a missed attack you won’t get countered on. 51 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: Isn't that kinda on the player for poor setup, then? Yes, which is why you should set up better with things like All for One. 47 minutes ago, Lightchao42 said: But if it's in a spoiler tag, how can I use it as a reaction? ...Although, now Sooks can know what it's like to specifically be told not to look at a spoiler. Hmm... I have bad news: I… know all the spoiler characters in Engage. Although I guess I don’t know which of the two big spoilers is last. And hey, what’s wrong with helpful directions having your name on it just for you? 47 minutes ago, Lightchao42 said: Sure she's an amnesiac with a probably dark past, but have you considered "fight humans with giant iguana"? And she likes meat, like Timerra. I’m sure Castti is enough of a fan of meat. And have you considered “fight humans with weeds you found on the ground”? 47 minutes ago, Lightchao42 said: I initially suggested it because funny Rixia jokes, but I came to like the idea unironically because I want to catch Legendary Pokémon. My game schedule for the next few months is pretty busy so I probably won't get Octopath Traveler II anytime soon... we'll see what happens. Busy? What could be more important than Castti? Anyway, if you commit to Ochette, you have to do Ochette -> Castti -> Throné -> Osvald -> Partitio -> Agnea -> Temenos -> Hikari. Be the chosen one, where I could not. Edited February 20, 2023 by Sooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingKitsune Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Sooks said: Are they cousins or something? Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Sooks said: You’re much more likely to die from a missed guard than a missed attack you won’t get countered on. What is the reward generally speaking? Taking out 1 unit on average is far from good i think. 43 minutes ago, Sooks said: Yes, which is why you should set up better with things like All for One. Im pretty sure there are far better choices than grouping everyone in an area to kill one enemy only to be killed on EP. Edited February 20, 2023 by Lightcosmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 And thats IF you have a dragon as the main, if not, every attack sans the last one could outright miss, and that planning was useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Imo its silly that Lucina doesnt have "get 2x attacks with chains" inherently. Would kinda fit her kit perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: What is the reward generally speaking? Taking out 1 unit on average is far from good i think. Not when bosses are insanely hard to kill, at least on maddening. 9 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: Im pretty sure there are far better choices than grouping everyone in an area to kill one enemy only to be killed on EP. You won’t be killed on EP if you kill the enemy tho. 7 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: And thats IF you have a dragon as the main, if not, every attack sans the last one could outright miss, and that planning was useless. Doesn’t that apply to every attack below 100%? And a chain attack or two missing isn’t an instant game over, or anywhere close to it, so I think it’s okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: Not when bosses are insanely hard to kill, at least on maddening. What about on non-bosses though? 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: You won’t be killed on EP if you kill the enemy tho See when RNG is BS like Engage, IF isnt worth it I overall. 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: Doesn’t that apply to every attack below 100%? And a chain attack or two missing isn’t an instant game over, or anywhere close to it, so I think it’s okay. Yes, which is why minimizing risk is so important. Killing a deadly enemy could very stop a game over from happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Interdimensional Observer said: ...Why Popo? What's the Wood Mana doing repping Iris here? He isn't even playable. So here's the total list of legacy characters in the game (quite a lot). The titular alchemists will be bolded Salburg Marie Elie Enderk Lilie Gamnad Judith Viorate Bartholemous Iris Klein Lita Norn Felt Viese Edge Iris Mana Khemia Vayne Razeluxe Pepperoncio Ulrika Arland Rorona Totori Meruru Sterk Dusk Ayesha Escha Logy Shalliestera Shallote Mysterious Sophie Firis Lydie Suelle So Dusk and Mysterious are completely represented by each of the protagonists while Arland and everything before it has a few supporting characters. In addition, the Iris fairy, Pamela and Hagel also show up, the latter two because they're recurring probably. The game is a town sim RPG and a lot of the inhabitants are also just characters from across the series, though they only pulled up to Iris in that regard. For the Salburg and Gramnad characters, this was the first game in which they appear worldwide. Lilie and all of Gramnad in particular lack fan-translations. So as you can see, unlike Engage, this is very much an Atelier All-Stars game that just happens to have a few OCs. It's a shame this game predates Lulua, i would've loved to see younger Rorona react to meeting her future (adopted) daughter (note: i have not played Nelke). 1 hour ago, Sooks said: What if I’m never playing Xenoblade?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: What about on non-bosses though? If you happen to end up in a position where it can delete an enemy, like a scenario when a lot of enemies are close together and your army naturally ends up that way, cool, go for it. If not, oh well, you have options. 10 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: See when RNG is BS like Engage, IF isnt worth it I overall. Is there something about RNG in Engage that makes it BS? I mean I get hit with a lot of low% crits but… 10 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: Yes, which is why minimizing risk is so important. Killing a deadly enemy could very stop a game over from happening. Which All for One could help with, if you end up in a position where it’s useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sooks said: Is there something about RNG in Engage that makes it BS? Yeah i can't think of any specific instance either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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