Make a Warriors spinoff

[Fabulously Olivier]

Have fun and enjoy submitting your concepts for dream Warriors spinoffs. This is specifically not for Fire Emblem Warriors, which has its own threads. Though I won't consider it to be against the rules - this is an FE forum after all.

 

Here's some basic guidelines.

 

Mechanics

It is recommended to use existing spinoffs as a template, unless you have some incredible unique foundation in mind. For example, using Persona 5 Strikers, which has a linear story and creature collecting as a template for Pokemon, Xenoblade, or Golden Sun might prove to be an optimal starting point. From there, provide some ideas for new mechanics to make it your own.

 

Roster Size

Warriors roster tend to break down as such, for new IPs.

Less than 10 - spinoffs based on the cast of a single game (like Persona 5 Strikers or HW Age of Calamity) or an IP with few viable characters (like Berserk). As with games like Persona 5 Strikers, this may represent a quality over quantity approach with deeper movesets.

10-15 - spinoffs based on relatively niche IPs.

15-20 - spinoffs based on medium or large IPs.

20-30 - large IPs, cofunded by a larger game publisher, with many viable characters. Alternatively, a medium IP inflated by clones.

30+ - roster inflated by clones.

 

Example concept for Runeterra Warriors

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Base game format - Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Trees Woe and the Blight Below

The first Dragon Quest Warriors was an oddity among spinoffs in that it was more of a tower defense game with a subtle lane structure, Warriors elements, and a mana based skill system. I shouldn't have to explain how all of this is perfect for a League of Legends spinoff.

In terms of changed mechanics, the LoL spinoff would ditch the DQH coin summon system in favor of more traditional, Samurai Warriors/FE Warriors style character swapping. It would drop mana costs from combo enders, and keep costs only on the four active skills, which are unique for each character.

 

Roster

A size of 20 has been selected under the logic that League of Legends is a large, ambitious IP with a huge selection of characters. It is unlikely to be represented by clones, and sequel baiting a spinoff is incredibly likely.

 

Representing Demacia:

1. Jarvan IV

2. Garen

3. Lux

4. Xin Zhao

 

Representing Noxus:

5. Darius

6. Draven

7. Mordekaiser

8. Riven

 

Representing Piltover:

9. Ezreal

10. Caitlyn

11. Vi

 

Representing Zaun:

12. Jinx

13. Ekko

 

Representing Ionia:

14. Shen

15. Ahri

16. Yasuo

17. Lee Sin

 

Representing Freljord:

18. Ashe

19. Tryndamere

 

Representing Bilgewater:

20. Twisted Fate (my personal favoritism pick)

 

[vanguard333]

I'm not a fan of Warriors games, but I do have two ideas for Warriors spinoffs. To save space, I will put them in spoilers:

 

Hyrule Warriors: Breath of the Wild Prequel:

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Description: Essentially, think something along the lines of Age of Calamity, but, unlike Age of Calamity, this actually would be a Breath of the Wild prequel, and it would actually show the events of the Great Calamity. You know; everything that Nintendo kept falsely claiming that Age of Calamity would be.

The gameplay mechanics would not be exactly the same as those of Age of Calamity, thanks to there not being Terrako, but it would be broadly similar.

 

Roster: The roster would be extremely similar: Link, Impa, the four champions, Sealing Power Zelda, etc. The Future Champions would also be in the roster, as unlockable postgame content; more on that later. There would also be one or two characters available as playable characters that were only mentioned in backstory; potential examples include Link's father (whose moveset would be reflecting that of a skilled Knight of Hyrule) and Kass' Teacher (a Shiekah with a possible musical component to their moveset).

 

Campaign: The main story campaign would show off and expand upon everything mentioned in Creating a Champion and in the memories and journal entries in Breath of the Wild and its DLC. The first two thirds or so of the game would cover the pre-calamity events, including (but not limited to) the following:

• Link becoming a knight after destroying a malfunctioning guardian via shield-bashing its laser.
• The selection of the four champions.
• Link saving Zelda from the Yiga Clan.
• Link fighting an entire small army of monsters (including Lynels) by himself and Zelda realizing that the frequency of monster appearances is increasing.

Then the Calamity occurs, and the missions shift dramatically. Missions include the following:

1. The Champions' Last Stand. These are four missions; one for each champion, that can be tackled in any order. Each one ends on the four champions being defeated by the blights. For the rest of the main campaign, each champion whose last mission is completed disappears from the roster for side missions, but they will be made available again upon completion of the main campaign.
2. The Fall of Akkala Citadel: this mission is a "defend the base" mission where the enemy forces continuously gain ground; success hinging on the defenses lasting a set length of time. This mission's roster would likely consist of new characters.
3. Link's Last Stand. This mission has the player play as Link with Zelda accompanying him as an NPC with their own HP. The player must protect Zelda as she flees the incoming horde of corrupted guardians, fighting both enemies ahead and guardians at the rear. Then, upon reaching the last checkpoint, a quick cutscene plays of Link making his stand, and the objective changes to just, "Protect Zelda". The player, as Link, must fight wave upon wave of corrupted guardians; you win if Link runs out of hearts while Zelda still has hearts left.
4. Escorting Link to the Shrine of Resurrection: In this mission, the available characters consist of Impa and/or new characters.
5. The End of the First Showdown: This is the final mission of the main campaign. For this one, the roster consists of just Zelda, now armed with her newly-awakened sealing power. Zelda is purposefully overpowered against regular enemies and corrupted guardians, and the first part of the mission consists of marching through the burning ruins of Castle Town and defeating the enemies within it. Then, when Zelda reaches Hyrule Castle, the final battle occurs: a fight throughout the exterior and interior of Hyrule Castle, with Calamity Ganon (in its flying boar head form) as the final boss. Upon defeating it, Zelda then seals it within Hyrule Castle.

The end credits would consist of a montage of Hyrule going from how it was post-calamity to how it is just before Breath of the Wild, and then the screen would fade to black, and the player would hear Zelda's voice say, "Open your eyes. Wake up, Link."

Postgame: One feature of the postgame would be four bonus missions: each one set shortly before Breath of the Wild. In each one, the player plays as one of the future-champions, with the premise of the mission being that they are each separately investigating the reactivation of the divine beasts. Completing each mission unlocks the respective future-champion.

 

Black Clover Warriors:

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Template: I don't know nearly enough about the different Warriors spinoffs to be able to say which one would work best. Which previous Warriors game has a combat system that would best work for a Warriors game where every character except one is a spellcaster?

 

Roster:

Asta

Yuno

Noelle

Luck

Yami

William Vangeance

Julius

Mereoleona

Feugoleon

Nozel

Mars

Langris

Patry

Licht

Zagred

Gaja

Dante

Vanica

Zenon

Sekke (only if Warriors spinoffs have joke characters)

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by vanguard333

[Etrurian emperor]

Xenoblade Chronicles Warriors. 

Mechanics: I think the mechanics should reinforce the duality between the two Chronicles games. Xenoblade 2 is defined by switching between blades so their movesets should naturally be highly varied and focused on switching between playstyles. Chronicles 1 doesn't have that switching so to avoid them lagging behind I'd have them be highly specialized and vital for success. 

Xenoblade 1 cast
Shulk: Able to massively buff all allies and get visions to show the player what attacks the enemies will use, or what bases to attack. For Mechon based stages he also must be on the field for the army to damage them. Maybe he starts out the weakest in stats before growing out the strongest by far to reference how he goes from ''delicate'' to godlike. 
Reyn: The defense specialist with a much higher defense than any single character. Maybe he can also reinforce the defense of bases, draw enemies towards him or absorb damage other characters take.
Dunban: Probably the most conventional character. He'd be fast. Very, very fast
Fiora: The only Xenoblade 1 character that can switch. Namely between her default Mechon mode, her giant armor Mechon and eventually draw power from Meyneth. 
Melia: The mage. I'm not sure how it would work.
Sharla: The longest range for both attacks and healing out of any character. 
Heropon Riki!: The joke character

Xenoblade 2 cast
Rex: Can switch between Pyra and Mythra to reinforce his attacks. Pyra grants fire based attack and more raw power, while Mythra grants light based powers and speed. Mythra aditionally also grants foresight like Shulk and aerial bombardments. 
Pyra/Mythra: Unlike most Blades the girls are shown to be very capable on their own. Pyra vastly outperforms Rex against Malos at the beginning and Mythra can be played solo in the Torna expansion. And don't forget their Smash role. 
Nia: Her Bromarch form would be focused on mobility and healing, while her blade form a combination of power and healing
Morag: With Brighid equiped she'd be very focused on speed, fire and long range while Ageaon would give her even greater speed but force her to get close and intimate. 
Masterpon and Popi: Switches between Poppi forms for the conventional ''strong, fast, balanced'' styles. 
Zeke! von! Genbu!: Switches between two modes. Comic relief Zeke where his attacks get all sort of random effects as he bumbles his way through battle, and party member Zeke which uses Pandoria based attacks. 

Villains:

Metalface: You really can't have a Xenoblade crossover without Metalface. To the point you can leave out any other villain as long as he makes it. He'd naturally be an absolute jugernaut with supreme defense, speed and power. Maybe his gimmick is that if you attack too relentlessly than Metalface will eventually stop to gloat which would leave himself open. He'd also be extra weak against the Monado
Malos: A more offense based Shulk. He'd be able to boost allies too but would ultimately be much more focused on sheer power. 
Egil: A more powerful version of Metalface in the sense that his suits gives him the same enflated states but without the gimmick of stopping mid combat to gloat. 
Jin: Perhaps the only character faster than Dunban. Very powerful but also very conventional
Zanza: The supreme magic based character who just floats around and bombards everything with magic. Also has visions like Shulk and Rex. 
Amalthus: He has two forms. His evil pope form which fights with a combination of his blade Haze and a lot of mooks. With Haze he can shut down Blade users, and the Indoline mooks can be summoned similarly how Chen Gon fights. His other form is his monster form which just focuses on sheer damage and range. 

[AnonymousSpeed]

You know what would be wild? A Warriors game set on Earth, featuring mythical and legendary figures, perhaps from China.

[Etrurian emperor]

27 minutes ago, AnonymousSpeed said:

You know what would be wild? A Warriors game set on Earth, featuring mythical and legendary figures, perhaps from China.

Its never going to happen 

[Fabulously Olivier]

In terms of a new mainline pillar, I'd really love a Camelot Warriors to provide something different from the normal Asian faire. It would function as more of a Diablo-like in Warriors 3rd person perspective with a deep loot system, legendary weapons, and the ability to play characters from Arthurian legend including Arthur, Lancelot, Galahad, Gawain, Mordred, Morgan, et. al. Perhaps it could even include Bladestorm's Edward the Black and Joan of Arc as guest characters.

 

Would anyone else be interested in that?

[Jotari]

I'd be more interested in theory crafting ways to make Warriors games actually good rather than a roster. Maybe my experience with the franchise is just not expansive enough, but it seems to be almost entirely flash with little to no actual substance in its gameplay.

But if you put a gun to my head and made me choose a spin off, then I'd have to say Fate/Stay Night Warriors could be a pretty good concept.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Jotari

[Fabulously Olivier]

14 minutes ago, Jotari said:

I'd be more interested in theory crafting ways to make Warriors games actually good rather than a roster. Maybe my experience with the franchise is just not expansive enough, but it seems to be almost entirely flash with little to no actual substance in its gameplay.

But if you put a gun to my head and made me choose a spin off, then I'd have to say Fate/Stay Night Warriors could be a pretty good concept.

Okay, first off... that's rude. No series deserves to be primarily discoursed by those who don't play them the way Warriors is. Warriors games are good, for fans of that gameplay loop, and we don't want it mangled into something else entirely to appeal to those outside the target audience. Should I go into Souls-like threads and say "I'd be more interested in the games if they were good?" No, because I have no interest in them, and that would be needlessly rude to those who do.

 

Secondly, and more positively, Fate/Stay Warriors already exists. It's called Fate/Extella and Fate/Extra. It's not made by Koei, but it is there. Not exactly my cup of tea because it isn't really tonally or thematically consistent with the rest of the Fate license. I'd kind of be in support of a new Fate Warriors made by Koei and based off the Fate anime or FGO than whatever it was that Marvelous did.

 

59 minutes ago, AnonymousSpeed said:

You know what would be wild? A Warriors game set on Earth, featuring mythical and legendary figures, perhaps from China.

I got a good laugh out of that, thanks.

 

1 hour ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Xenoblade Chronicles Warriors. 

Mechanics: I think the mechanics should reinforce the duality between the two Chronicles games. Xenoblade 2 is defined by switching between blades so their movesets should naturally be highly varied and focused on switching between playstyles. Chronicles 1 doesn't have that switching so to avoid them lagging behind I'd have them be highly specialized and vital for success. 

Xenoblade 1 cast
Shulk: Able to massively buff all allies and get visions to show the player what attacks the enemies will use, or what bases to attack. For Mechon based stages he also must be on the field for the army to damage them. Maybe he starts out the weakest in stats before growing out the strongest by far to reference how he goes from ''delicate'' to godlike. 
Reyn: The defense specialist with a much higher defense than any single character. Maybe he can also reinforce the defense of bases, draw enemies towards him or absorb damage other characters take.
Dunban: Probably the most conventional character. He'd be fast. Very, very fast
Fiora: The only Xenoblade 1 character that can switch. Namely between her default Mechon mode, her giant armor Mechon and eventually draw power from Meyneth. 
Melia: The mage. I'm not sure how it would work.
Sharla: The longest range for both attacks and healing out of any character. 
Heropon Riki!: The joke character

Xenoblade 2 cast
Rex: Can switch between Pyra and Mythra to reinforce his attacks. Pyra grants fire based attack and more raw power, while Mythra grants light based powers and speed. Mythra aditionally also grants foresight like Shulk and aerial bombardments. 
Pyra/Mythra: Unlike most Blades the girls are shown to be very capable on their own. Pyra vastly outperforms Rex against Malos at the beginning and Mythra can be played solo in the Torna expansion. And don't forget their Smash role. 
Nia: Her Bromarch form would be focused on mobility and healing, while her blade form a combination of power and healing
Morag: With Brighid equiped she'd be very focused on speed, fire and long range while Ageaon would give her even greater speed but force her to get close and intimate. 
Masterpon and Popi: Switches between Poppi forms for the conventional ''strong, fast, balanced'' styles. 
Zeke! von! Genbu!: Switches between two modes. Comic relief Zeke where his attacks get all sort of random effects as he bumbles his way through battle, and party member Zeke which uses Pandoria based attacks. 

Villains:

Metalface: You really can't have a Xenoblade crossover without Metalface. To the point you can leave out any other villain as long as he makes it. He'd naturally be an absolute jugernaut with supreme defense, speed and power. Maybe his gimmick is that if you attack too relentlessly than Metalface will eventually stop to gloat which would leave himself open. He'd also be extra weak against the Monado
Malos: A more offense based Shulk. He'd be able to boost allies too but would ultimately be much more focused on sheer power. 
Egil: A more powerful version of Metalface in the sense that his suits gives him the same enflated states but without the gimmick of stopping mid combat to gloat. 
Jin: Perhaps the only character faster than Dunban. Very powerful but also very conventional
Zanza: The supreme magic based character who just floats around and bombards everything with magic. Also has visions like Shulk and Rex. 
Amalthus: He has two forms. His evil pope form which fights with a combination of his blade Haze and a lot of mooks. With Haze he can shut down Blade users, and the Indoline mooks can be summoned similarly how Chen Gon fights. His other form is his monster form which just focuses on sheer damage and range. 

It's a great concept. I guess my personal preference would be to ditch the driver/blade system in favor of just letting you play the characters. My consistent opinion of XBC2 is that some of the Blades are better, more interesting, and more aesthetically pleasing characters than the drivers.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Fabulously Olivier

[Etrurian emperor]

4 hours ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

It's a great concept. I guess my personal preference would be to ditch the driver/blade system in favor of just letting you play the characters. My consistent opinion of XBC2 is that some of the Blades are better, more interesting, and more aesthetically pleasing characters than the drivers.

I know Rex has an annoying hatedom that led to some gloating when the Aegis girls got to be in Smash without him but otherwise I've rarely heard things like people preferring Brighid over Morag, Pandy over Zeke or Bromarch over Nia.

[Jotari]

5 hours ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

Okay, first off... that's rude. No series deserves to be primarily discoursed by those who don't play them the way Warriors is. Warriors games are good, for fans of that gameplay loop, and we don't want it mangled into something else entirely to appeal to those outside the target audience. Should I go into Souls-like threads and say "I'd be more interested in the games if they were good?" No, because I have no interest in them, and that would be needlessly rude to those who do.

It wasn't a personal attack on you at all. If you like Warriors games then that's great, good for you. I am in no way saying you can't or shouldn't like them. But I have a lot off issues with all the games in the series I've played.

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Secondly, and more positively, Fate/Stay Warriors already exists. It's called Fate/Extella and Fate/Extra. It's not made by Koei, but it is there. Not exactly my cup of tea because it isn't really tonally or thematically consistent with the rest of the Fate license. I'd kind of be in support of a new Fate Warriors made by Koei and based off the Fate anime or FGO than whatever it was that Marvelous did.

Haven't heard of it. Will need to look into it. At some point.

 

Edited November 23, 2021 by Jotari

[Fabulously Olivier]

1 hour ago, Etrurian emperor said:

I know Rex has an annoying hatedom that led to some gloating when the Aegis girls got to be in Smash without him but otherwise I've rarely heard things like people preferring Brighid over Morag, Pandy over Zeke or Bromarch over Nia.

I am in said Rex hatedom, proudly. I don't think that makes me annoying. I just don't like the character, and that's fine. I don't disparage you for liking him, and it is unfortunate that there isn't a possible Smash implementation that pleases everyone.

 

It's less that I prefer Brigid to Morag (which I don't) or Pandy over Zeke (which I don't). It's more that I'd absolutely love the ability to directly play as characters like Aegaeon, Dagas, and Corvin. Though don't get me wrong. I absolutely get why they wouldn't be, and maybe the game would be more unique for it.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Fabulously Olivier

[Perkilator]

If Sonic Forces was a Musou

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Roster

1. Sonic
2. Rookie
3. Tails
4. Knuckles
5. Amy
6. Vector
7. Silver
8. Blaze
9. Chaos
10. Shadow
11. Metal Sonic
12. Zavok
13. Dr. Eggman
14. Infinite
15. Classic Sonic (DLC)
16. Sticks (DLC)
17. Jet (DLC)
18. Big (DLC)
19. Tangle (DLC)
20. Whisper (DLC)

 

[Fabulously Olivier]

On 11/23/2021 at 1:46 PM, Jotari said:

It wasn't a personal attack on you at all. If you like Warriors games then that's great, good for you. I am in no way saying you can't or shouldn't like them. But I have a lot off issues with all the games in the series I've played.

Haven't heard of it. Will need to look into it. At some point.

 

I didn't really take it as a personal attack. Thing is, hardcore Warriors fans are inherently defensive as they are used to having their games reviewed almost exclusively by the kinds of journalists and youtubers that aren't interested in them. No other franchise has to deal with that kind of pervasive negative bias - certainly not without earning it through aggressive consumer unfriendly behaviors.

 

Anyway, here's another concept. This time for The Legend of Warriors (Trails).

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Base Mechanics:

The combat of Persona 5 Strikers is a good fit here, with its pause menu for spells and elemental weaknesses. Content-wise, something like Warriors All Stars would make a great foundation with its map-based system, faction select, and multiple endings.

In terms of new mechanics, Trails would feature deeper build customization and progression through its Orbment system. Every orb drop is useful on everyone, but every character has their own orbment configuration for uniqueness just like the Trails franchise.

 

Roster:

This one is particularly difficult, as the franchise has a huge cast, but is relatively niche. So, it is inevitable that any roster will leave players unsatisfied. I've chosen 15 playables as a realistic number, but I've rounded things out by using Trails in the Sky 3C's Support Character system to add characters with no rendered models outside of face portraits.

Realistically, to deliver any kind of satisfying roster, you might even need to narrow the focus on one or two nations, as much as I hate the Age of Calamity approach. Something like Cold Steel + Estelle would sting of FE Warriors style roster woes, but it may be the necessary cost for a remotely competent story and a chance at more obscure character picks.

Playable Characters:

Liberl:

1. Estelle Bright

2. Joshua Bright

3. Kevin Graham

4. Scherazard Harvey

5. Klaudia von Auslese

6. Renne Bright

 

Crossbell:

7. Lloyd Bannings

8. Rixia Mao

 

Erebonia:

9. Rean Schwarzer

10. Crow Armbrust

11. Olivier Lenheim

12. C

 

Calvard

13. Van Arkride

14. Agnes Claudel

15. Zin Valthek

 

Support Characters:

Support characters contribute dialogue and portraits but not full models. They can be slotted into your team for passive bonuses, and they may be eligible for playable status upgrades in a sequel.

Cassius Bright

Agate Crossner

Tita Russell

Josette Capua

Nial Burns

Tio Plato

All members of Class VII

Kurt Vander

And more

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by Fabulously Olivier

[vanguard333]

On 11/29/2021 at 9:16 AM, Fabulously Olivier said:

I didn't really take it as a personal attack. Thing is, hardcore Warriors fans are inherently defensive as they are used to having their games reviewed almost exclusively by the kinds of journalists and youtubers that aren't interested in them. No other franchise has to deal with that kind of pervasive negative bias - certainly not without earning it through aggressive consumer unfriendly behaviors.

Interesting. Is that a bit like being a Black Clover and always having to tell people that almost everyone that reviewed it when it first released was unfairly bashing it and that the story is actually good and creative (I say this as a Black Clover fan)?

By the way, what did you think of the two Warriors spinoff ideas that I posted?

[Fabulously Olivier]

17 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

Interesting. Is that a bit like being a Black Clover and always having to tell people that almost everyone that reviewed it when it first released was unfairly bashing it and that the story is actually good and creative (I say this as a Black Clover fan)?

By the way, what did you think of the two Warriors spinoff ideas that I posted?

Basically? My perception is that the reviewers are missing the point and dogpiling the franchise disproportionately for things that other franchises and other genres don't get similarly lambasted for. When one franchise is called mindlessly repetitive (they are - but that's part of the enjoyment of thing) while related genres (Diablo-likes and classic beat-em-ups) don't get the same criticism and the literal most popular genre in gaming (shooters) can be aptly described as "center your cursor on them before they center theirs on you," there is an unfair targeted bias at play. 

 

I can't say whether Black Clover is treated unfairly. I haven't seen it and it isn't near the top of my massive to-watch list. I'm still catching up on My Hero Academia here, and I deeply love it - anime just happens to be a secondary hobby to my primary hobby of gaming. 

 

If they made a Black Clover musou, I'd give it the time of day just like all the others. I hate One Piece and I love OPPW3 and 4. I'm definitively not the target audience for Touken Ranbu Musou, and I'll play it as well.

 

As for Hyrule Warriors BotW prequel... well, it's something that absolutely should have happened and should still happen. People are owed that story, just as we're owed Ike and Roy, and it's pretty shit that it intentionally didn't happen. It's something that should be an alternate ending DLC. Unfortunately, it's probably something I wouldn't experience, as I consider Age of Calamity to be one of the structurally weakest and grindiest Warriors games for a lot of the same reasons as Warriors All Stars. 

[vanguard333]

7 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

Basically? My perception is that the reviewers are missing the point and dogpiling the franchise disproportionately for things that other franchises and other genres don't get similarly lambasted for. When one franchise is called mindlessly repetitive (they are - but that's part of the enjoyment of thing) while related genres (Diablo-likes and classic beat-em-ups) don't get the same criticism and the literal most popular genre in gaming (shooters) can be aptly described as "center your cursor on them before they center theirs on you," there is an unfair targeted bias at play. 

 

I can't say whether Black Clover is treated unfairly. I haven't seen it and it isn't near the top of my massive to-watch list. I'm still catching up on My Hero Academia here, and I deeply love it - anime just happens to be a secondary hobby to my primary hobby of gaming. 

 

If they made a Black Clover musou, I'd give it the time of day just like all the others. I hate One Piece and I love OPPW3 and 4. I'm definitively not the target audience for Touken Ranbu Musou, and I'll play it as well.

 

As for Hyrule Warriors BotW prequel... well, it's something that absolutely should have happened and should still happen. People are owed that story, just as we're owed Ike and Roy, and it's pretty shit that it intentionally didn't happen. It's something that should be an alternate ending DLC. Unfortunately, it's probably something I wouldn't experience, as I consider Age of Calamity to be one of the structurally weakest and grindiest Warriors games for a lot of the same reasons as Warriors All Stars. 

Yeah; I see what you mean.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah; it is absolutely something that should've happened. If they were to make it as DLC rather than a separate game, I would hope that it at least would be like Torna: The Golden Country: a DLC that can be purchased and played without having to purchase the base game. I'd only buy it to play the actually-a-prequel DLC, so I see no reason to have to also buy the base game.

Huh; why do you consider Age of Calamity to be those things? Just curious, as I have not played it or any Warriors game.

[Fabulously Olivier]

29 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

Yeah; I see what you mean.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah; it is absolutely something that should've happened. If they were to make it as DLC rather than a separate game, I would hope that it at least would be like Torna: The Golden Country: a DLC that can be purchased and played without having to purchase the base game. I'd only buy it to play the actually-a-prequel DLC, so I see no reason to have to also buy the base game.

Huh; why do you consider Age of Calamity to be those things? Just curious, as I have not played it or any Warriors game.

So, this is a weakness you have to actually play beyond the demo content to appreciate, because the demo is deceptively extremely good. Those first couple levels are really enjoyable, and the sheer scale of grind the game throws at you isn't apparent at that point.

 

Hyrule Warriors AoC and Warriors All Stars are both structured around a world map. All of the story chapters and side missions are portrayed as objectives on the map, along with collection quests. This is a theoretically cool thing for immersion, but in practice, it really sets in just how overwhelming the amount of content on offer is. It's painful to look at, and extremely intimidating. To exacerbate things further, both games are designed around much smaller rosters - the xp to level each character is way, way higher than Dynasty Warriors, Samurai Warriors, Warriors Orochi, and Fire Emblem Warriors and this discourages you from swapping characters often, which makes the games feel even more grindy and less rewarding. You can get around this by playing on a low difficulty, but the higher difficulties are very much designed around you grinding everything on offer.

 

Age of Calamity, is actually even worse than All Stars because, on top of all of the other aforementioned flaws, the objectives chosen for side missions are just objectively not fun; they consist of generic "kill x number of enemies, then a boss" quests with no tension, "kill x number of enemies without getting hit at all" challenges (I shouldn't even have to explain how this is fundamentally incompatible with a genre that spawns literally hundreds of onscreen foes), and disgusting rail shooter challenges (rail shooters died for a reason, fam). Then you throw in tons of inane collectible scavenger hunts for upgrades, just like the first Hyrule Warriors. Having to search obscure corners of the map for random Korok seeds is fundamentally bad game design for a genre that is all about clearing objectives as quickly and efficiently as possible.

 

Anyway, there has been some credible evidence from interviews and the current Bandai Namco Tales of survey that a Tales of Warriors is actively being considered right now. This shoots it up to the top of potential speculation. So with that in mind, here's a concept for it.

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Base Mechanics:

Hmm. I think if you took Persona 5 Strikers as a base, which uses a combat system similar to Final Fantasy 7 Remake (action combat with a pause spell menu to simulate turn-based prompts), you'd have a pretty solid foundation. It's a solid foundation for any JRPG-based musou game. But I'd definitely structure the content of the game more like the original Hyrule Warriors, with a batshit crazy story mode, split over separate branches with party members splitting off and reuiniting. Then have an adventure mode for side content which is structured less like Hyrule Warriors' one and more like One Piece Pirate Warriors 3's Dream/Nightmare Logs, which I found much more enjoyable and approachable.

 

Roster:

So, here's the ones I think are objectively 100% locked in:

1. Lloyd Irving (the mascot)

2. Yuri Lowell (the Ike) and Repede

3. Leon Magnus (the Roy)

4. Cress Albane (the Marth)

5. Alphen

6. Shionne

7. Velvet Crowe

 

And here's my personal picks:

8. Rita Mordio

9. Sheena

10. Law

11. Jade Curtiss

12. Ludger

13. Sorey (just for the unique moveset potential)

14. Raven

15. Zelos Wilder

 

And if it can go to 20, some extra picks:

16. Kisara

17. Dolahim

18. Malik Caesar

19. Raine Sage

20. Eizen

 

[vanguard333]

32 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

So, this is a weakness you have to actually play beyond the demo content to appreciate, because the demo is deceptively extremely good. Those first couple levels are really enjoyable, and the sheer scale of grind the game throws at you isn't apparent at that point.

 

Hyrule Warriors AoC and Warriors All Stars are both structured around a world map. All of the story chapters and side missions are portrayed as objectives on the map, along with collection quests. This is a theoretically cool thing for immersion, but in practice, it really sets in just how overwhelming the amount of content on offer is. It's painful to look at, and extremely intimidating. To exacerbate things further, both games are designed around much smaller rosters - the xp to level each character is way, way higher than Dynasty Warriors, Samurai Warriors, Warriors Orochi, and Fire Emblem Warriors and this discourages you from swapping characters often, which makes the games feel even more grindy and less rewarding. You can get around this by playing on a low difficulty, but the higher difficulties are very much designed around you grinding everything on offer.

 

Age of Calamity, is actually even worse than All Stars because, on top of all of the other aforementioned flaws, the objectives chosen for side missions are just objectively not fun; they consist of generic "kill x number of enemies, then a boss" quests with no tension, "kill x number of enemies without getting hit at all" challenges (I shouldn't even have to explain how this is fundamentally incompatible with a genre that spawns literally hundreds of onscreen foes), and disgusting rail shooter challenges (rail shooters died for a reason, fam). Then you throw in tons of inane collectible scavenger hunts for upgrades, just like the first Hyrule Warriors. Having to search obscure corners of the map for random Korok seeds is fundamentally bad game design for a genre that is all about clearing objectives as quickly and efficiently as possible.

 

Anyway, there has been some credible evidence from interviews and the current Bandai Namco Tales of survey that a Tales of Warriors is actively being considered right now. This shoots it up to the top of potential speculation. So with that in mind, here's a concept for it.

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Base Mechanics:

Hmm. I think if you took Persona 5 Strikers as a base, which uses a combat system similar to Final Fantasy 7 Remake (action combat with a pause spell menu to simulate turn-based prompts), you'd have a pretty solid foundation. It's a solid foundation for any JRPG-based musou game. But I'd definitely structure the content of the game more like the original Hyrule Warriors, with a batshit crazy story mode, split over separate branches with party members splitting off and reuiniting. Then have an adventure mode for side content which is structured less like Hyrule Warriors' one and more like One Piece Pirate Warriors 3's Dream/Nightmare Logs, which I found much more enjoyable and approachable.

 

Roster:

So, here's the ones I think are objectively 100% locked in:

1. Lloyd Irving (the mascot)

2. Yuri Lowell (the Ike) and Repede

3. Leon Magnus (the Roy)

4. Cress Albane (the Marth)

5. Alphen

6. Shionne

7. Velvet Crowe

 

And here's my personal picks:

8. Rita Mordio

9. Sheena

10. Law

11. Jade Curtiss

12. Ludger

13. Sorey (just for the unique moveset potential)

14. Raven

15. Zelos Wilder

 

And if it can go to 20, some extra picks:

16. Kisara

17. Dolahim

18. Malik Caesar

19. Raine Sage

20. Eizen

 

Funny enough, I haven't even played the demo.

 

Yikes; that all does sound grindy.

 

Heh; "defeat this many enemies without getting hit at all" missions would be almost the opposite of the kind of missions I was suggesting for an actual prequel.

Speaking of different types of missions, I heard that one of the waves of DLC included a mission called "Objective: Survive", clearly in reference to the famous final mission in Halo: Reach (an actual prequel game)… except it is not only possible but easy to beat all the enemies and survive. …It's like they're deliberately mocking anyone that feels the game should've been an actual prequel.

[Etrurian emperor]

4 hours ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

 

Age of Calamity, is actually even worse than All Stars because, on top of all of the other aforementioned flaws, the objectives chosen for side missions are just objectively not fun; they consist of generic "kill x number of enemies, then a boss" quests with no tension, "kill x number of enemies without getting hit at all" challenges (I shouldn't even have to explain how this is fundamentally incompatible with a genre that spawns literally hundreds of onscreen foes), and disgusting rail shooter challenges (rail shooters died for a reason, fam). Then you throw in tons of inane collectible scavenger hunts for upgrades, just like the first Hyrule Warriors. Having to search obscure corners of the map for random Korok seeds is fundamentally bad game design for a genre that is all about clearing objectives as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Personally my biggest gripe with the side content was the big emphasis on the timer. Timed missions aren't fun. Who cares if I do a mission in three minutes and two seconds instead of doing it in exactly three minutes? It feels like fake difficulty when you can handle the stage fine enough and your biggest enemy is the timer instead of anything that's actually part of the mission.

4 hours ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

To exacerbate things further, both games are designed around much smaller rosters

For Warriors All Stars this was a gigantic deal breaker for me. Only three Samurai Warriors characters is bad enough, but two of them being Mitsunari and Naotora is downright intolerable. That the third one is the eternally bland Yukimura didn't help matters either. 

[Fabulously Olivier]

3 hours ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Personally my biggest gripe with the side content was the big emphasis on the timer. Timed missions aren't fun. Who cares if I do a mission in three minutes and two seconds instead of doing it in exactly three minutes? It feels like fake difficulty when you can handle the stage fine enough and your biggest enemy is the timer instead of anything that's actually part of the mission.

For Warriors All Stars this was a gigantic deal breaker for me. Only three Samurai Warriors characters is bad enough, but two of them being Mitsunari and Naotora is downright intolerable. That the third one is the eternally bland Yukimura didn't help matters either. 

Normally, I'd agree. But the challenge of a good Musou game is less "what you do" and more "where and in what order you do it." Objective prioritization puzzles are the bread and butter of the franchise, and being able to do these objectives quickly is an inherent part of that.

 

I mean, certainly none of my favorite DW (Zhou Yu, Xu Shu, Lu Meng) or SW (Magoichi Saika and Kajuro Katakura) characters made the cut, and that didn't help my opinion of things. But I do wonder if it would have been preferable if NO mainline Warriors games were included in favor of being solely Koei's other IP. It's those other characters that actually makes it distinct from Orochi.

Edited December 2, 2021 by Fabulously Olivier

[Lord_Brand]

Because I don't want to risk losing this post, I'm posting it in a WIP state. Despite its currently incomplete state, I hope it gives an idea of what I envision. Input, especially suggestions or proofreads, are appreciated.

Final Fantasy Warriors

Story

Ignis, Aqua, Aria, and Terrus are four Light Warriors who seek the shards of their home dimension's shattered Dimension Crystal, which have ended up in various other worlds due to the crystal's interdimensional properties. Using an airship equipped with one of these shards, the four companions travel to different dimensions and discover chaos has unfolded thanks to rifts created by the shards. Evil empires deploy armies of soldiers and war machines with the intent of conquering other dimensions and harvesting their resources, while monsters prowl the land and terrorize the populace. Worst of all, the very existence of these worlds is in danger thanks to a rival team of Dark Warriors who serve an ominous entity that seeks to consume all life and magic. Fortunately, our four heroes are not alone in their struggle. During their journey across different worlds, they'll meet many courageous allies ready to join them in their battles to repair the shattered crystal and save the various worlds...

Mechanics

Like most Musou titles, you have your standard combo attacks consisting of a sequence of basic attacks punctuated by stronger attacks. Limit Breaks are FFW's equivalent of Musou Attacks, while Trance is the FFW equivalent of Focus Spirit. Fighters can defend, dash, and use items.

In addition to Limit and Trance, many fighters have MP for casting spells.

Fighters in FFW have access to jobs, weapons, armor, accessories, and Magicite.

• Jobs define the fighter's basic moveset as well as their choice of weapon and armor. Many fighters are locked to a single job, usually one that is unique to themselves, but some have access to more than one.
• Weapons add their attack value to the wielder's strength and can sport elemental properties, status effects, or other bonuses. For the sake of simplicity, each job can equip exactly one type of weapon.
• Armor helps reduce damage dealt to the wearer. Some kinds of armor specialize in resisting specific types of damage or have other secondary effects. Armor is split into head, body, and shield categories.
• Accessories provide stat buffs, resistance to certain elements or status effects, or a (usually positive) status effect themselves. Unlike weapons and armor, accessories are not limited by job; any fighter can equip any accessory. That said, some accessories will work better for certain fighters than others.
• Magicite allows the bearer to summon a powerful being at the cost of Trance power. Some launch powerful attacks with a wide area of effect, while others provide a beneficial effect to the summoner and their allies. Like relics, Magicite is not restricted by job and thus can be equipped by anyone.

Base Roster

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• FINAL FANTASY WARRIORS
  • Ignis - The leader and most skilled fighter of the Light Warriors. He is courageous and has a strong sense of justice, though he can be a bit oblivious to matters outside their quest.
    • Warrior (sword)
    • Red Mage (rapier)
    • Dragoon (spear)
    • Paladin (knight sword)
  • Aqua - The calmest and wisest of the Light Warriors. Aqua focuses on the group's well-being and health. Her role as the healer and voice of council causes her to bury her personal feelings for fear that they will distract her.
    • White Mage (staff)
    • Black Mage (rod)
    • Summoner (rod)
    • Sage (staff)
  • Aria - The most agile and dextrous of the Light Warriors. Aria is cheerful and outgoing, seeking to keep her teammates' spirits up. That said, she can also be a bit nosy, particularly in regards to Aqua's feelings towards Ignis.
    • Thief (dagger)
    • Bard (harp)
    • Ninja (ninja blade)
    • Dancer (dagger)
  • Terrus - The stoic strongman of the Light Warriors. A fellow of few words, Terrus prefers to focus on the task at hand, leaving the long-term planning to Ignis and Aqua. His past is a mystery, though his companions know he hails from a nomadic tribe of warriors and shamans.
    • Monk (fist)
    • Berserker (axe)
    • Beastmaster (whip)
  • Cid - A new incarnation original to this game who comes from the same world as the four Light Warriors and serves as the engineer for their airship which they use to travel between worlds. He's considered by the four to be an honorary fifth member. He shares some similarities with the Cids of other FF titles, and even picks up some of their skillsets.
    • Engineer (hammer) - The most common profession for Cids in the series, most notably Cid Pollendina of FFIV.
    • Magitek (magitek arm) - Based on Cid from FFVI, who invented Magitek.
    • Pilot (spear) - Based on Cid Highwind from FFVII.
  • Chocobo & Moogle - The series' mascots working as a team. They aren't heavily involved in the main plot but rather star in their own comedic side adventures looking for treasure in the various worlds. The Moogle equips spears as a nod to Mog's ability to equip them in FFVI. Their job is Chocobo Rider.
• FINAL FANTASY
  • Princess Sara
    • Songstress (lute)
  • Garland
    • Chaos Knight (chaos blade)
• FINAL FANTASY II
  • Firion/Guy/Maria/Leila/Leon - Each of these characters has access to the same jobs, for in FFII each playable character could be customized as the player wishes. Their appearance remains the same regardless of which job they're using.
    • Swordfighter (sword)
    • Axefighter (axe)
    • Fistfighter (fist)
    • Spearfighter (spear)
    • Mage (staff)
    • Rogue (dagger)
    • (bow)
  • Emperor Mateus - Sorcerer (staff)
• FINAL FANTASY III
  • Luneth/Arc/Refia/Ingus - All four heroes of FFIII DS have the same job sets, and play the same, though each has distinct idle and victory animations to showcase their distinct personalities. Each has a Freelancer outfit that they can use in any job in addition to their standard job outfits.
    • Warrior (sword) - Knight costume unlockable
    • Monk (fist) - Black Belt costume unlockable
    • Black Mage (rod) - Magus costume unlockable
    • White Mage (staff) - Devout costume unlockable
    • Red Mage (rapier)
    • Thief (dagger)
    • Ranger (bow)
    • Scholar (book)
    • Geomancer (bell)
    • Dragoon (spear)
    • Viking (axe)
    • Evoker (rod) - Summoner costume unlockable
    • Bard (harp)
    • Sage (staff)
    • Ninja (ninja blade)
    • Onion Knight (sword)
• FINAL FANTASY IV
  • Cecil Harvey
    • Dark Knight (sword + dark sword)
    • Paladin (sword + holy sword)
  • Rosa Farrell - White Ranger (bow)
  • Kain Highwind - Dragoon (spear)
  • Rydia - Mist Summoner (whip)
  • Edge - Eblan Ninja (ninja blade)
  • Golbez - 
• FINAL FANTASY V - The four heroes of FFV all have access to a Freelancer costume they can use in place of their regular job.
  • Bartz
    • Knight (sword)
    • Black Mage (rod)
    • Blue Mage
  • Lenna
    • White Mage (staff)
    • Mystic Knight (sword)
  • Faris 
    • Ninja (ninja blade)
  • Krile 
    • Freelancer (sword)
  • Exdeath - 
  • Gilgamesh - Weapon Collector
• FINAL FANTASY VI
  • Terra Branford - Magitek Elite (sword)
  • Locke Cole - Thief (dagger)
  • Edgar Roni Figaro - Royal Machinist (spear)
  • Sabin Rene Figaro - Monk (fists)
  • Celes Chere - Rune Knight (sword)
  • Kefka Palazzo
• FINAL FANTASY VII
  • Cloud Strife - Mercenary (greatsword)
  • Tifa Lockhart - Brawler (fist)
  • Aerith Gainsborough - Flower Girl (staff)
  • Sephiroth - (odachi)
• FINAL FANTASY VIII
  • Squall Leonhart - Gunblade SeeD (gunblade A)
  • Zell Dincht - Brawler SeeD (fist)
  • Rinoa Heartilly - Rebel Sorceress (blaster edge)
  • Seifer Almasy
  • Ultimecia - Temporal Sorceress (staff)
• FINAL FANTASY IX
  • Zidane Tribal - Thief (dagger)
  • Vivi Ornitier - Black Mage (rod)
  • Garnet Til Alexandros - (staff)
  • Adelbert Steiner - Knight of Pluto (Gaian blade)
• FINAL FANTASY X
  • Tidus - Blitzball Ace (Spiran blade)
  • Yuna - Aeon Summoner (Summoner's staff)
  • Auron - Guardian Samurai (Guardian's katana)
• FINAL FANTASY XI
• FINAL FANTASY XII
• FINAL FANTASY XIII
  • Lightning - (Gunblade B)
• FINAL FANTASY XIV
• FINAL FANTASY XV

Stats

Spoiler

All fighters possess the following stats.

• HP - The amount of damage that can be taken before being KO'd.
• Strength - Base stat for physical attacks.
• Magic - Base stat for magic.
• Luck - Affects drop rates.
• Attack - The result of the equipped weapon's attack value plus the wielder's strength. Determines damage dealt by physical attacks.
• Defense - Reduces damage taken from physical attacks.
• Magic Defense - Reduces damage taken from magical attacks.

Elements

Spoiler

FFW features elements common to the FF series:

• Fire - Sets foes ablaze. Effective against plants, undead, and ice-based creatures.
• Ice - Freezes foes in their tracks. Effective against fire, water, and reptilian monsters.
• Lightning - Paralyzes foes with electric shock. Effective against machines and aquatic creatures.
• Earth - Knocks down or petrifies foes.
• Water - Soaks enemies, making them more susceptible to ice and lightning attacks. Effective against fire monsters.
• Wind - Blows enemies away. Effective against flying enemies.
• Poison - Poisons foes. Effective against humans and other organic creatures.
• Gravity - Cuts enemy health by a percentage. Effective against flying enemies.
• Dark - Can inflict Curse on foes.
• Holy - Effective against dark and undead monsters.

Status Effects

Spoiler

There are plenty of status effects, as per the norm for FF. Many are inflicted by spells or attacks, while others can be applied by items or equipment.

• Positive
  • Float - Recipient hovers above the ground, making them immune to Earth attacks and hazardous terrain.
  • Haste - Recipient's movement and attacks become faster.
  • Invisible - Recipient cannot be seen by enemies and will avoid all physical attacks. Magical attacks however will hit and dispel the status.
  • Protect - Recipient receives less physical damage.
  • Regen - Recipient recovers HP over time.
  • Reraise - Automatically revive once when knocked out.
  • Shell - Recipient receives less magical damage.
• Neutral
  • Berserk - Standard attacks become stronger, but Trance, Limit, Items, Defending, and Summoning are all disabled.
  • Fury - The recipient's Limit gauge fills faster, but their attacks are more likely to miss.
  • Reflect - Bounces magic off the recipient. This includes beneficial as well as harmful magic.
  • Sedate - The recipient's Limit gauge fills slower, but they take less damage.
  • Soak - The recipient is soaked with water, making them more resilient against fire but more susceptible to ice and lightning.
  • Oil - The recipient is covered in oil, making them more resilient against water but more susceptible to fire.
• Negative
  • Ablaze - Victim is on fire and continuously takes damage for a short time.
  • Blind - Victim's attacks become less accurate.
  • Charm - Victim is controlled by the enemy and turns against their allies.
  • Confuse - Victim attacks friends and foes indiscriminately for a short time.
  • Curse - Prevents the use of Limit Breaks or Trance.
  • Doom - Victim is KO'd after a countdown.
  • Freeze - Victim is frozen solid and can't move for a short time. Being near fire will thaw the victim, and being hit physically will double the damage dealt as well as free the victim.
  • Mini - Victim is shrunk down, reducing attack strength and movement speed. However, dodging attacks becomes easier.
  • Poison - Victim loses HP over time.
  • Paralysis - Victim can't move for a short time.
  • Petrify - Victim is turned to stone and can't move for a while. All damage dealt to the victim is nullified.
  • Provoke - Affected CPU targets direct their aggro towards the user.
  • Silence - Victim is unable to summon or use magic attacks. Their voice clips are also disabled.
  • Sleep - Victim falls asleep and can't move until they wake up. Receiving damage from a physical attack will wake them up.
  • Slow - Victim's movement and attacks become slower.
  • Stop - Victim is completely immobilized for a short time. Any damage taken during this time is applied once the effect wears off.
  • Toad - Victim is transfigured into a toad, preventing use of Limit Breaks, Summoning, or Trance. The transformation wears off after a while.
  • Zombie - Victim becomes undead, causing them to take damage from healing effects and making them vulnerable to Fire and Holy but rendering them immune to Death effects.

Jobs

Spoiler

Every playable character has at least one job, though some have more.

These jobs are shared by more than one playable character:

• Warrior - A specialist at melee combat. Equips Swords.
• Thief - An agile rogue who can steal items and Gil. Equips Daggers.
• Monk - A martial artist who uses various techniques. Equips Fist weapons.
• Black Mage - A mage who casts destructive black magic. Equips Rods.
• White Mage - A mage who casts supportive White Magic. Equips Staves.
• Red Mage - A warrior-mage hybrid who can cast both Black and White Magic. Equips Rapiers.
• Ninja - A skilled assassin who throws shuriken and uses mystical ninjutsu arts. Equips Ninja Blades.
• Dragoon - A draconic knight who can jump high and strike from above. Equips Spears.
• Bard - A performer who plays magical songs. Equips Harps.
• Dark Knight - A fell knight who wields dark powers at a price. Equips Dark Swords.
• Summoner - A mage who summons mighty Eidolons to attack. Equips Staves.
• Paladin - A holy knight who protects and supports their allies. Equips Knight Swords.
• Berserker - A fierce warrior who attacks in a blind rage. Equips Axes.
• Mystic Knight - A magical fencer who imbues their weapons with magic. Equips Swords.
• Dancer - A performer who charms enemies and supports allies with their captivating dances. Equips 
• Samurai - A skilled warrior who strikes quickly and decisively. Equips Katanas.
• Brawler - A variant of Monk who dresses in more modern clothes and practices less formal arts.

These jobs are unique to specific fighters, and oftentimes are their only job.

• Engineer - One of Cid's unique jobs, a mechanic who uses various gadgets and equips Hammers.
• Magitek - One of Cid's unique jobs, a Magitek armor pilot that equips Magitek Arms.
• Pilot - One of Cid's unique jobs, a variant of Dragoon that equips spears.
• Songstress - Princess Sarah's unique job, a variant of the Bard who equips Lutes.
• Chaos Knight - Garland's unique job, a villainous knight who equips Polymorphic Blades.
• Fiend Lord - Golbez's unique job, a mage knight who equips Maces.
• Mercenary - Cloud's unique job, a sellsword who equips Broadswords.
• Florist - Aerith's unique job, a mage who equips Florist's Staves.
• Gunblade SeeD - Squall's unique job, an academic warrior who equips Type-A Gunblades.
• Knight of Pluto - Steiner's unique job, an armored warrior who equips Gaian Blades and uses Sword Arts.
• Blitzball Ace - Tidus' unique job, an athletic warrior who equips Spiran Blades.
• Guardian Samurai - Auron's unique job, a samurai who equips Guardian Katanas.
• Aeon Summoner - Yuna's unique job, a summoner who calls upon mighty Aeons and equips Summoner Staves.

Magic & Abilities

Spoiler

Every job has unique abilities that factor into their gameplay. The most notable of these are Black Magic and White Magic, which provide a list of spells for the user to cast.

Weapon Types

Spoiler

For sake of simplicity, any given job equips exactly one type of weapon. Many weapon types are shared between two or more fighters due to overlapping jobs, though just as many are exclusive to a particular fighter. Each weapon category consists of eight tiers, though a few include additional unique weapons.

• Axe
  • Iron Axe
  • Mythril Axe
  • Great Axe
  • Ogrekiller
  • Rune Axe
  • Gigant Axe
• Broadsword (Cloud)
  • Buster Sword
  • Mythril Saber
  • Hardedge
  • Enhance Sword
  • Force Stealer
  • Heaven's Cloud
  • Ragnarok
  • Ultima Weapon
• Bow
  •  
• Chaos Blade (Garland)
  • Rebellion
  • Claymore
  • Earthblight
  • Hellfire
  • Darkwater
  • Fellwind
  • Zanmato
  • Balmung
• Dagger
  • Iron Dagger
  • Mythril Dagger
  • Gladius
  • Mage Masher
  • Main Gauche
  • Assassin's Dagger
  • Orichalcum
  • Zwill Crossblade
• Dark Sword
  • Dark Sword
  • Shadowblade
  • Chaosbringer
  • Deathbringer
  • Tyrfing
  • Arondight
  • Valhalla
  • Apocalypse
• Fist
  • Leather Glove
  • Metal Knuckles
  • Mythril Claws
  • Cat Claws
  • Kaiser Knuckles
  • Dragon Claws
  • Tiger Fangs
  • Godhand
• Florist's Staff (Aerith)
  • Guard Stick
  • Mythril Rod
  • Prism Staff
  • Wizard Staff
  • Wizer Staff
  • Fairy Tale
  • Princess Guard
• Gaian Blade (Steiner)
  •  
  • Steiner's Excalibur
• Guardian's Katana (Auron)
  • Katana
  • Rune Blade
  • Dragonkiller
  • Alkaid
  • Auron's Masamune
• Gunblade Type-A (Squall)
  • Revolver
  • Shear Trigger
  • Cutting Trigger
  • Flame Saber
  • Punishment
  • Griever
  • Lion Heart
• Gunblade Type-B (Lightning)
  • Blazefire Saber
  • Axis Blade
  • Edged Carbine
  • Lifesaber
  • Gladius
  • Organyx
  • Hauteclaire
  • Lionheart
• Hammer
  • Wooden Hammer
  • Iron Hammer
  • Sledgehammer
  • Mythril Hammer
  • Warhammer
  • Gaia Hammer
  • Mjolnir
  • Flare Sledgehammer
• Harp
  • Silver Harp
  • Dream Harp
  • Lamia Harp
  • Fairy Harp
  • Orpheus Harp
  • Mermaid Harp
  • Angel Harp
  • Apollo's Harp
• Katana
  • Ashura
  • Kotetsu
  • Kikuichimonji
  • Murasame
  • Muramasa
  • Masamune
  • Murakumo
  • Mutsunokami
• Knight Sword
  • Defender
  • Galatine
  • Hauteclaire
  • Durandal
  • Lightbringer
  • Excalibur
• Lute (Princess Sarah)
  • Cornerian Lute
  • Pravokan Lute
  • Elven Lute
  • Dwarven Lute
  • Melmondite Lute
  • Onracan Lute
  • Gaian Lute
  • Lufenian Lute
• Mace (Golbez)
  • Iron Mace
  • Mythril Mace
  • Mace of Blight
  • Mace of the Drowned
  • Mace of the Winds
  • Mace of Flame
  • Diamond Mace
  • Lunar Mace
• Magitek Arm (Cid)
  • Magitek Claw
  • Magitek Hammer
  • Magitek Crusher
  • Magitek Drill
  • Magitek Buzzsaw
  • Magitek Chainsaw
  • Magitek Axe
  • Magitek Sword
• Ninja Blade
  • Kunai
  • Kodachi
  • Sakura
  • Sasuke
  • Ichigeki
  • Kagenui
  • Orochi
  • Oborozuki
• Odachi (Sephiroth)
  • Sephiroth's Masamune
  • Makodachi
  • Cetra Blade
  • Second Coming
  • Essence Shard
  • Meteor Blade
• Rapier
  • Iron Rapier
  • Mythril Rapier
  • Marine Rapier
  • Wind Rapier
  • Save the Queen
• Rhonso Spear (Kimahri)
  • Halberd
  • Force Lance
  • Hunter's Spear
  • Mage Hunter
  • Astral Spear
  • Horn of the Rhonso
  • Spirit Lance
• Rod
  • Rod
  • Fire Rod
  • Ice Rod
  • Thunder Rod
  • Gravity Rod
  • Stardust Rod
  • Magus Rod
• Spear
  • Spear/Kain's Lance
  • Mythril Spear
  • Trident
  • Wind Spear
  • Partisan
  • Holy Lance
  • Gungnir
  • Longinus
• Spiran Blade (Tidus)
  • Longsword
  • Brotherhood
  • Force Saber
  • Astral Sword
  • Arc Sword
  • Crystal Sword
  • Caladbolg
• Staff
  • Staff
  • Mythril Staff
  • Prism Staff
  • Rune Staff
  • Sage's Staff
• Summoner's Rod (Yuna)
  • Magistral Rod
  • Spiked Rod
  • Force Rod
  • Astral Rod
  • Arc Arcana
  • Nirvana
• Sword
  • Iron Sword
  • Mythril Sword
  • Flametongue
  • Icebrand
  • Blood Sword
  • Ultima Weapon
  • Onion Sword (Onion Knight only)
• Whip
  • Chain Whip
  • Mythril Whip
  • Slaying Tail
  • Blitz Whip
  • Flame Bute
  • Beast Killer
  • Red Scorpion
  • Dragon Whisker

Armor

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Armor is divided into three categories: Head, body, and shield. Head and body armor provide passive effects, while shields only take effect when blocking.

Head

 

Body

• Heavy
  • Bronze Plate
  • Iron Plate
  • Mythril Plate
  • Genji
• Light
  • Cloth
  • Leather
  • Kenpo Gi
  • Ninja Gear
• Mage
  • Cotton Robe
  • Silk Robe
  • Mage Robe
  • Black Robe
  • White Robe

Shields - Only certain jobs can use heavy shields, while all jobs can use light shields.

• Heavy
  •  
• Light
  •  

Accessories

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Elemental Resistance

• Earth Ring
• Fire Ring
• Ice Ring
• Lightning Ring
• Water Ring
• Zephyr Ring
• Dark Ring
• Holy Ring

Status Immunity

• Amulet - Protects against Poison, Blind, and Zombie.
• Fairy Ring - Protects against Poison and Blind.
• Jeweled Ring - Protects against Petrify.
• Peace Ring - Protects against Berserk and Confuse.
• Ribbon - Protects against all negative status ailments.
• Silver Spectacles - Protects against Blind.
• Star Pendant - Protects against Poison.

Status Effect

• Angel Ring - Grants Regen.
• Cursed Ring - Inflicts Curse.
• Feather Boots - Grants Float.
• Guard Bracelet - Grants Protect and Shell.
• Hermes Sandals - Grants Haste.
• Lich Ring - Inflicts Zombie.
• Miracle Shoes - Grants Haste, Protect, Regen, and Shell.
• Protect Ring - Grants Protect.
• Reflect Ring - Grants Reflect.

Stats

• Crystal Ball - Raises Magic by 50%.
• Earring - Raises magic damage by 25%.
• Guard Ring - Raises 
• Hero's Ring - Raises all damage by 25%.
• Hyper Wrist - Raises Strength by 50%.
• Magic Ring - Raises Magic by 10.
• Power Armlet - Raises Strength by 10.

Other

• Growth Egg - Doubles the wearer's experience gain.
• Tintinnabulum - Heals the wearer with every step.

Magicite

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• Alexander - Judgment: Deals Holy damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Bahamut - Mega Flare: Deals non-elemental damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Carbuncle - Ruby Light: Bestows Reflect upon the party.
• Garuda - Aerial Blast: Deals Wind damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Ifrit - Hellfire: Deals Fire damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Lakshmi - Alluring Embrace: Restores the party's HP.
• Leviathan - Tidal Wave: Deals Water damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Maduin - Chaos Wave: Deals non-elemental damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Marilith - Flaming Blades: Attacks six times with flaming swords.
• Mist Dragon - Mist Breath: Deals non-elemental damage proportionate to user's HP to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Odin - Zantetsuken: Attempts to instantly destroy enemies in front of the summoner.
• Phoenix - Flames of Rebirth: Deals Fire damage to all enemies in front of the summoner and revives fallen allies.
• Quetzalcoatl - Thunderstorm: Deals Lightning damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Ramuh - Judgment Bolt: Deals Lightning damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Shiva - Diamond Dust: Deals Ice damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Siren - Silent Voice: Inflicts Silence on all enemies near the summoner.
• Sylph - Whispering Wind: Absorbs HP from enemies and gives it to the party.
• Titan - Gaia's Wrath: Deals Earth damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Unicorn - Healing Horn: Cures the party of all non-fatal negative status effects.
• Valefor - Energy Blast: Deals non-elemental damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Valigarmanda - Tri-Disaster: Deals Fire, Ice, and Lightning damage to all enemies in front of the summoner.
• Yojimbo - Zanmato: Attempts to instantly defeat foes in front of the summoner.

Items

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• Potion - Restores HP.
• Antidote - Cures Poison.
• Echo Herbs - Cures Silence.
• Eye Drops - Cures Blind.
• Gold Needle - Cures a Petrified ally.
• Holy Water - Cures Curse and Zombie.
• Maiden's Kiss - Cures Toad.
• Phoenix Down - Revives a fallen ally.
• Remedy - Cures all non-fatal negative status effects.

Non-Playable Units

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Common Units - Weaker units that appear in large hordes. They form the bulk of any given army.

• Soldiers - The most common enemy unit in the game, courtesy the various evil empires and other organizations waging war. Their designs vary depending on the world they come from, but all are virtually identical in function. They wield swords as weapons and attack in large numbers. Sometimes they'll be your allies rather than your enemies.
• Dwarves - Short, stout warriors who wield axes and hammers in battle. They rarely appear as enemies and more often as allies
• Elves - Like Dwarves, Elves rarely serve as enemies outright, more often forming the bulk of your army.
• Goblins - A common type of monster seen in many games in the series. Like Soldiers, their design varies by world, but their behavior is identical.
• Skeletons - Another common type of monster seen in the series. Skeletons are undead and therefore susceptible to Fire and Holy.
• Zombies - Like Skeletons, Zombies are undead and thus susceptible to Fire and Holy.
• Pirates - Seafaring swashbucklers who appear in maps located near the sea.
• Sahagins - Sea monsters wielding tridents. They appear in maps with large amounts of water.
• Bandit - Criminal thugs who prowl the streets looking for easy prey. They appear most often in urban maps.
• MP - A type of soldier employed by Shinra that uses machine guns rather than swords, giving them an edge against less-developed militaries.

Captains - Stronger units that appear in far fewer numbers. Each kind comes in three varieties of increasing strength.

• Ogre - A hulking brute who often accompanies Goblins into battle.
  • Mad Ogre
  • Ogre Chief
• Piscodemon - An eldritch mage with a squid-like head that uses paralyzing magic.
  • Mindflayer
  • Squidraken
• Basilisk - Reptilian monsters that can petrify with their Stone Gaze ability.
  •  
• Gorgon - A female humanoid monster with snakes for hair. Can petrify using Stone Gaze.
  • Medusa
• Royal Guard - An elite soldier of the Palamecian Army. Rides a horse into battle.
  • Black Knight
  • Death Rider
• Bomb - A living fireball that explodes upon death.
  • Balloon
  • Grenade
• Lamia - A sultry snake woman that likes to Charm and seduce your units, turning them against you.
  • Lilith
  • Lamia Queen
• Malboro - A plant or fungus-like monster that inflicts numerous negative status effects with its Bad Breath. 
  • Great Malboro
  • Malboro Menace
• Tonberry - A slow but dangerous foe that attacks with a deadly Knife and Karma.
  • Master Tonberry
  • Tonberry King
• Officer - An elite soldier of the Imperial Army equipped with an axe and a shield.
  • Captain
  • General
• Magitek Armor - A suit of Magitek Armor piloted by an Imperial soldier.
  • Heavy Armor
  • Mega Armor
• Cactuar - A cactus-like monster that attacks with 1,000 Needles.
  • Flowering Cactuar
• SOLDIER 3rd Class - An elite warrior created by Hojo using Mako infusion.
  • SOLDIER 2nd Class
  • SOLDIER 1st Class
• Black Mage Type A - An artificial Black Mage created from Mist that casts destructive magic.
  • Black Mage Type B
  • Black Mage Type C

Bosses - The mightiest foes you'll face, many of whom are large monsters or machines.

• FINAL FANTASY WARRIORS
  • Hill Gigas
  • Behemoth
  • Iron Giant
  • Fire Dragon
  • Thunder Dragon
  • Ice Dragon
  • Earth Dragon
  • Wind Dragon
  • Water Dragon
  • Dark Dragon
  • Holy Dragon
  • Ifrit
  • Shiva
  • Ramuh
  • Titan
  • Leviathan
  • Garuda
  •  
  • Alexander
  • Bahamut
• FINAL FANTASY
  • Lich
  • Marilith
  • Kraken
  • Tiamat
  • Chaos
• FINAL FANTASY II
  •  
• FINAL FANTASY III
  • Two-Headed Dragon
• FINAL FANTASY IV
  • Scarmiglione
  • Cagnazzo
  • Barbariccia
  • Rubicante
• FINAL FANMTASY V
  • Omega
  • Shinryu
• FINAL FANTASY VI
  • Ultros
  • Ultima Weapon
• FINAL FANTASY VII
  • Midgar Zolom

Maps

Spoiler

• FINAL FANTASY WARRIORS
  • Home World
• FINAL FANTASY
  • Cornelia
  • Temple of Chaos
  • Pravoka
  • Melmond
  • Earth Cavern
• FINAL FANTASY II
  • Fynn
  • The Dreadnought
  • Castle Palamecia
  • Pandaemonium
• FINAL FANTASY III
  • Sasune
• FINAL FANTASY IV
  • Baron
  • Mount Ordeals
  • Tower of Zot
• FINAL FANTASY V
  • Castle Exdeath
• FINAL FANTASY VI
  • Narshe
  • Figaro Castle
  • Imperial Camp
  • Phantom Forest
  • Magitek Research Facility
  • Vector
  • Kefka's Tower
• FINAL FANTASY VII
  • Mako Reactor 1
  • Sector 7 Slums
  • Mako Reactor 5
  • Fort Condor
  • Junon
  • Cosmo Canyon
  • Corel
  • Nibelheim
  • Rocket Town
  • Wutai
• FINAL FANTASY VIII
  • Dollet
  • Timber
  • Deling City
  • Galbadian Missile Base
  • Balamb & Galbadia Gardens
  • Esthar City
• FINAL FANTASY IX
  • Alexandria
  • Evil Forest
  • Lindblum
• FINAL FANTASY X
  • Zanarkand
• FINAL FANTASY XI
• FINAL FANTASY XII
• FINAL FANTASY XIII
• FINAL FANTASY XIV
• FINAL FANTASY XV

Ideas for DLC

Spoiler

• FINAL FANTASY WARRIORS
  • Levin - A Dark Knight who appropriately leads the Dark Warriors. He is Ignis' rival.
  •  - A Witch who serves as the mage of the Dark Warriors. She is Aqua's rival.
  • Marina - A Pirate and member of the Dark Warriors who provides them with transportation. She is Aria's rival.
  • Kryos - A Berserker who serves as Terrus' rival.
• FINAL FANTASY
  •  
  • Summons
    • Lich
    • Marilith
    • Kraken
    • Tiamat
    • Chaos
• FINAL FANTASY IV
  •  
  • Summons
    • Scarmiglione
    • Cagnazzo
    • Rubicante
    • Barbariccia
• FINAL FANTASY V
  • Summons
    • Omega
    • Shinryu
• FINAL FANTASY VI
  • Celes Chere
  • Shadow
  • Cyan Garamonde
  • Setzer Gabbiani
  • Summons:
    • Ultros
• FINAL FANTASY VII
  • Red XIII
  • Yuffie Kisaragi
  • Summons 
    • Hades - Black Cauldron: Inflicts non-elemental damage to nearby enemies and inflicts Confuse, Mini, Paralysis, Poison, Silence, Sleep, Slow, and Toad.
• FINAL FANTASY VII: Weapons Awakened
  • Rufus Shinra
  • Reno
  • Rude
• FINAL FANTASY VIII
  • Laguna Loire - Gunner (gun)

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by Lord_Brand

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[Jotari]

32 minutes ago, James99 said:

Thank you for the helpful post. By the way, try playing this stickman hook for fun in your free time.

You sound like a bot.

[Fabulously Olivier]

Pokemon Warriors time.

 

Mechanics - The combat of Persona 5 Strikers with a more traditional stage format. Party size of 6, with party members caught with balls.

 

Gen 1 only Roster

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Guaranteed/obvious picks

1. Pikachu

2. Charizard

3. Ivysaur

4. Squirtle

5. Jigglypuff

6. Mewtwo

7. Gengar

8. Eevee (and all eeveelutions, which build on the core moveset with additional moves).

9. Meowth

10. Dragonite

Personal Picks:

11. Scyther

12. Electabuzz

13. Hitmonlee

14. Hitmonchan

15. Arcanine

16. Pidgeot

17. Sandslash

18. Cubone

19. Kadabra

20. Kabutops

21. Poliwrath

22. Machamp

23. Rhydon

24. Psyduck

25. Pinsir

 

 

Expanded Roster

Spoiler

 

Remove 10 Pokemon (Pinsir, Psyduck, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Rhydon, Scyther, Poliwrath, Pidgeot, Kabutops, and Dragonite).

Add 15 Pokemon:

1. Scizor

2. Hitmontop

3. Blaziken

4. Absol

5. Garchomp

6. Lucario

7. Gardevoir

8. Heracross

9. Empoleon

10. Decidueye

11. Corviknight

12. Zoroark

13. Urshifu

14. Greninja

15. Toxticitry

 

 

[vanguard333]

3 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

Expanded Roster

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Remove 10 Pokemon (Pinsir, Psyduck, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Rhydon, Scyther, Poliwrath, Pidgeot, Kabutops, and Dragonite).

Add 15 Pokemon:

1. Scizor

2. Hitmontop

3. Blaziken

4. Absol

5. Garchomp

6. Lucario

7. Gardevoir

8. Heracross

9. Empoleon

10. Decidueye

11. Corviknight

12. Zoroark

13. Urshifu

14. Greninja

15. Toxticitry

 

 

Why no Bidoof? I'm not even kidding; Bidoof has apparently become a meme like that of the Shaggy meme, so I suspect that a lot of people would be really upset if there was a Pokémon Warriors without a Bidoof.