Quickhammer Mafia - Game Over

[Rain Nijika]

[Sunwoo]

Cool mafia game guys

[SB.]

Mod note: I just changed a minor thing about how cross-targeting roleblockers work because it gave the town roleblocker confirmation of the scum roleblocker's identity due to an oversight. It should be fixed now.

Edited February 18, 2015 by SB.

[Prims]

Living Players (6):

4. Jaraxxus

5. Noerin

6. Phantom of the Opera

7. Sanaki

8. Supreme Intelligence

9. Wadatsumi

Dead Players (3):

2. A True Friend, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 1.

1. 2hu porn star, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 1.

3. dondont151, Mafia 1-shot Rolecop, lynched Day 2.

ISOs cuz SB still hasn't done them even though Day 1 is almost over.

wait a minute

Edited February 18, 2015 by Prims

[SB.]

Thank god I can finally stop worrying about how to spell Wadatsumi.

Wadatsumi, you are the Town Rolecop. Every night, you may ##Rolecop a player and learn their role name, but not their alignment.

You win when the mafia is dead.

RIP though.

It is now Day 3. Deadline is in 72 hours. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

[Refakitty³]

gg no re

[Cú Chulainn]

##Vote: Supreme Intelligence

I'll just paste what I wrote on my thoughts QT:

"ok I'm pretty sure that Supreme Intelligence is also Supreme Scuminess

I mean, his posts stop making sense when he's accusing me and while defending Dondont + voting Wadatsumi. Seems like scum bringing up legit/not very strong points and then trying to achieve scum hidden purposes and being scummy by it because that's what scum do."

Read "hidden purposes" as "trying to get town lynched". SI's logic looks forced and fake, I don't think he believed that Dondont was town and Wadatsumi scum.

Also Sanaki seems townie on this post, since I can see why the reasons to vote Wadatsumi were legit from their perspective. From the others I just read Phantom of the Opera and I found him null.

[Kamina]

@dondont: See above for the elaboration. On another note, maybe you should, you know, start making sense. And maybe tell us who you think is most likely scum and why, instead of disagreeing with many posts and arguing but not going anywhere with them. This isn't Serious Discussion^TM where we argue over nothing.

This post is the first I take issue with. Whilst the song is much about dondont, little can be said for an actual portrayal of casting. Many would feel that this interlude is present to lengthen the piece rather than to actually deliver a message.

dondont's behavior D2 makes sense for a town rolecop in the sense that, the setup suggests that being careless with claiming is costly, especially when you're town. Role discussion is absolutely pointless. dondont trying to gather reads by seeing other players' reactions and posts before outing themselves is definitely townie in this context. However, claiming a scan on 'scum!Wadatsumi' could be part of a high risk- high reward plan by the scumteam.

This is the next of my woes and rather protective of dondont. To shield one with such words may well a sign of true kinship.

Interesting

##Unvote ##Vote: Wadatsumi

This cannot go wrong in any way whatsoever. Worst case scenario is going into D3 at 3/2 with a confirmed mafia. So we better be prepared for D4 2/1 if things go wrong.

To follow a vote and disregard the safety of town cannot be ignored. Why prepapre for the worst if one is so convinced? The vote directly follows dondont's own, further adding mystery to the day.

##Vote: Supreme Intelligence

[SB.]

Supreme Intelligence is at L-1!

[Olivier]

I agree. SI has been the most enthusiast for advocating a Wadatsumi lynch over dondont and I do think his logic is forced.

I'll just hammer since he's obvious scum gg fun mafia we should play again

##Vote: Supreme Intelligence

[Olivier]

I'm compensating for the turns we took to actually lynch the scum rolecop by 1 turn beating this game.

beat my swag dondont, you scrub

[SB.]

holy shit

hammer

[SB.]

Well this sure is a mafia game.

Supreme Intelligence, you are a Vanilla Townie. You have no special abilities.

You win when the mafia is dead.

24 hours for actions or activity checks I guess?

[Sunwoo]

Cool mafia game guys

[riariadne]

why don't you guys play this fast when i'm in games, assholes

[eclipse]

HEY PEANUT GALLERY:

Save it for postgame. Oh, I most definitely will~!

[MRDRHAWK]

ALL WE NEED IS FOR THE D1 LYNCH TO ACTUALLY BE THE DOC AND IT'LL BE A TRUE SFMAFIA GAYM

[SB.]

Noerin? More like Noerip.

Noerin, you are the Town 1-shot Roleblocker. Once in the night, you may ##Roleblock a player to prevent them using any night actions that night. Limited shot roles will not consume a use if you block them.

You win when the mafia is dead.

It is now Day 4. Day 4 ends in 72 hours if you don't hammer 1 hour into the phase again. With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

[Sham]

I really don't like the majority of Jaraxxus' content this game. The points I made in my penultimate paragraph here still stand, and his 'It was a coincidence' statement here rubs me the wrong way because it should be obvious that Wada was implying that there might have been a connection between Jaraxxus' sudden disappearance after Wada's crumb, followed immediately by dondont's fakeclaim. Jaraxxus' response basically reads to me as "I don't know what you're talking about."

In addition, his vote for Intelligence doesn't have much explanation or unique thought and I get the impression that he might have been trying to take advantage of everyone's suspicion on Intelligence to quickhammer before the Town!Hooker could claim with their clear (although we know now that it was Noerin, who didn't claim for some reason). It would be easy to take refuge in audacity in this case, since it would seem to be pretty ballsy for scum to try and quickhammer again after what happened to dondont. It's a risky, but extremely rewarding gambit if successful.

As for Phantom, while he felt pretty Town earlier, looking back on his posts they seem to be somewhat low on the RP:Content ratio. However, most of the points he does make are pretty sound, and I definitely like them better than I do Jaraxxus.

I'm going to wait to cast my vote until all of us have had a chance to speak though, since even though I'm like 90% sure Jaraxxus is the last scum I was also almost as positive it was Intelliqence yesterday and we all know how well that went.

[Kamina]

The ending note from Jaraxxus does not fill me with confidence, although after the events of the previous day, I cannot say I would be confident with my vote on him. I must pass my eyes over the content of the other two players to come to a satisfying conclusion.

Whilst this does not bode favorably for him, I must look back and see the duets both others have partaken in, lest it provides light in front of the descending curtain.

Jaraxxus, is there reason you hammered so freely?

[Olivier]

I'll dedicate this post to answering the remaining players. The following post will contain my reads in the game, as I intend to ISO both.

I really don't like the majority of Jaraxxus' content this game. The points I made in my penultimate paragraph here still stand, and his 'It was a coincidence' statement here rubs me the wrong way because it should be obvious that Wada was implying that there might have been a connection between Jaraxxus' sudden disappearance after Wada's crumb, followed immediately by dondont's fakeclaim. Jaraxxus' response basically reads to me as "I don't know what you're talking about."

It is a common mistake to assume two things that happen simultaneously are correlated. One may think that my disappearance and Wada's crumb were linked because the latter anteceded the former, but that's faulty reasoning. That's why I shrugged of that argument, it is fallacious by nature and unimportant.

In addition, his vote for Intelligence doesn't have much explanation or unique thought and I get the impression that he might have been trying to take advantage of everyone's suspicion on Intelligence to quickhammer before the Town!Hooker could claim with their clear (although we know now that it was Noerin, who didn't claim for some reason). It would be easy to take refuge in audacity in this case, since it would seem to be pretty ballsy for scum to try and quickhammer again after what happened to dondont. It's a risky, but extremely rewarding gambit if successful.

I dislike this part of Sanaki's post for some reasons. First, they say my post doesn't have much explanation or unique thought and use this to imply my vote was bad without addressing my content in particular. Yes, my vote has been concise and unoriginal, how does this make it bad or good? I think my vote makes sense. SI seemed very scummy from his association with dondont, besides some of his logic looked like sophisms that ignored key points that Noerin was sharp to bring to the table. That was enough for me to read malice from his content and consolidate my vote, but not all that seems is true, so I failed.

Second, Sanaki seems more concerned with form than content. His point about my vote attacks my form ("not much explanation or unique thought"), not my content itself (aka what I said. For example, if the vote have faulty or scummy logic). Scum is usually concerned with form because we naturally associate bad form with scumminess and good form with towness. So this pings a radar.

The refuge in audacity gambit doesn't work because reverse psychology bites us in the ass in Mafia, see your reaction and Phantom's and how it brought bad repercussions to me. If I were scum I would not want to bring such attention to LYLO. This is not WIFOM of my part, logically scum don't want to bring too much attention to themselves especially when they know the next phase will be LYLO, therefore it makes little sense for me to do so as scum (note that this does not serve as an alibi because people can be unreasonable, and so I was last Day).

As for Phantom, while he felt pretty Town earlier, looking back on his posts they seem to be somewhat low on the RP:Content ratio. However, most of the points he does make are pretty sound, and I definitely like them better than I do Jaraxxus.

Again, Sanaki bothers him/herself with form rather than content. Scum can make sound points, what we should primarily be concerned with is intent. This is not indicative of alignment. His read on Phantom seems superficial.

The ending note from Jaraxxus does not fill me with confidence, although after the events of the previous day, I cannot say I would be confident with my vote on him. I must pass my eyes over the content of the other two players to come to a satisfying conclusion.

Whilst this does not bode favorably for him, I must look back and see the duets both others have partaken in, lest it provides light in front of the descending curtain.

Jaraxxus, is there reason you hammered so freely?

I think Phantom's post really didn't bring anything to the table. They basically say I look scummy but that they are uncertain, which is a null tell.

I hammered so freely because I was sure that SI was scum.

[Sham]

I dislike this part of Sanaki's post for some reasons. First, they say my post doesn't have much explanation or unique thought and use this to imply my vote was bad without addressing my content in particular. Yes, my vote has been concise and unoriginal, how does this make it bad or good? I think my vote makes sense. SI seemed very scummy from his association with dondont, besides some of his logic looked like sophisms that ignored key points that Noerin was sharp to bring to the table. That was enough for me to read malice from his content and consolidate my vote, but not all that seems is true, so I failed.

Second, Sanaki seems more concerned with form than content. His point about my vote attacks my form ("not much explanation or unique thought"), not my content itself (aka what I said. For example, if the vote have faulty or scummy logic). Scum is usually concerned with form because we naturally associate bad form with scumminess and good form with towness. So this pings a radar.

Actually, I did address your content - I said your content had little explanation behind it and none of the reasoning was your own. If I wanted to attack your form I would have said something along the lines of "Jaraxxus sheeped the players who posted before him and hammered an innocent Townie an hour into Day 3." But that would be closer to mud-slinging than anything productive. I also did not imply why your vote was bad - I flat out said that a quickhammer in that situation only makes sense as a scum gambit.

What does Town!Jaraxxus have to gain by hammering SI before he has a chance to defend himself with the possibility of going into LYLO with the limited information that we have? Scum!Jaraxxus on the other hand, has motive, means and opportunity.

In addition, I don't quite understand the logic behind your 'form' argument. If we naturally associate 'bad' form with scumminess and 'good' form with towness, wouldn't Town be just as concerned with 'bad' form?

Again, Sanaki bothers him/herself with form rather than content. Scum can make sound points, what we should primarily be concerned with is intent. This is not indicative of alignment. His read on Phantom seems superficial.

See, now here your 'form over content' argument might have made sense. My point was that a closer look over Phantom's posts revealed a lesser amount of content than I was expecting. However, I was not attacking their form (they can RP all they want). The content that I saw I had little problems with. For example here they mention uneasiness with dondont and SI, and while their reads are short and lacking in example, they're reinforced by their votes on said players later, which expound on their initial thoughts.

From what I can tell, the consistency in his logic has me leaning more Town than Scum with his intent.

[Kamina]

Whislt I appreciate your opinions on your fellow actors, Jaraxxus, it would be favorable to know who you codemn as scum. From your previous spouting, it seems that you have no real preference, as if you were leaving yourself open to either side. Whilst you complain my song has no meaning, you say much but come to no real conclusion.

[SB.]

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[SB.]

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