I.M. Gei Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 i dunno if a_quote.jpg was mean-spirited so much as it was just dull and unfunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrocknroll Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I don't even know how to feel with this. The Democratic candidates seem all over the place. The massive difference between Clinton and Sanders makes both of them seem to have a split in supports. I'm honestly kind of fine with either for different reasons. Clinton has a strong foreign policy and Sanders seems to not be the type to let religion control the country. The GOP candidates like Carson are all slightly ridiculous. Whether it be their policy on topics like religion, gay marriage, or abortion or closing Mexican borders makes them seem to be an overall bad choice. Ironically, Trump seems to be the closest to anything decent, but his immigration ideas are absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Clinton has a strong foreign policy [...] Curious what makes you think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) i used to think that, but it looks like trump went full on fascist in recent days. I think clinton is awful on foreign policy. I mean she has the secretary gig on her resume, but everything she's said about the middle east just makes me cringe. i don't have much hope for bernie having a chance at the nomination, but i'm glad that his campaign has already done a service to the country by having people talk about issues no one else was until now. it's the kind of populist movement that the country needed, and hopefully will continue regardless of the elections. Edited November 24, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) yeah as a nonwhite person, i looked at the video of trump's protesters beating up the blm shirt-wearing black man in alabama and i'm legit scared for when he decides he's going to shoot for my blood too it's a pretty harrowing reminder that for all the progress we've made and how things are better for us compared to 50 years ago—the civil rights act and voting rights act, gutted they may be, being things, for instance, and the societal changes protecting us that resulted—all these improvements in our lives, our being less of second class citizens than we were back during jim crow are ephemeral and can be rolled back by the kind of resentful voter who supports trump Edited November 24, 2015 by I.M. Gei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Ironically, Trump seems to be the closest to anything decent, i just choked on a dick immigration is not the only thing on which trump is way off the mark he's the kind of politician who makes waves on factual errors and both ignores that he's wrong and refuses to back off when he's called out for it that's precisely the kind of person who is not fit to be leader of anything, much less president of the US Edited November 24, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 i just choked on a dick immigration is not the only thing on which trump is way off the mark he's the kind of politician who makes waves on factual errors and both ignores that he's wrong and refuses to back off when he's called out for it that's precisely the kind of person who is not fit to be leader of anything, much less president of the US it's like he creates his own reality when he asserts wildly untrue and debunked shit like "muslims in jersey cheered en masse when the towers went down", especially in the context of a craven media that cares more about being "objective" than fact-checking and actual journalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 what he is right about is that voters are stupid stopped clock is right twice a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 For the sake of argument, what Republican candidate do people here consider to be the most decent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I agree with rand paul on drugs and foreign policy, but otherwise libertarianism is a bad disease. Kasich seems like a decent dude, but I feel like that's only because the other candidates lowered the standards to nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 lol at rand paul's advocating hiring pirates to attack enemy shipping lines ~*the peace candidate*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 i mean it when i say none of the 3.2 billion gop candidates are appealing. this is simply because i belief in social safety nets and i'm a progressive socially, which, if i'm correct, none of the gop are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skynstein Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I don't understand how Trump could win. I mean, no one who is black or Latino would vote for him, in fact, despite voting not being mandatory, it's possible that if he ran, those populations would turn up to vote "against" him and in support of whoever is the Democrat candidate. Trump won't make it past the primaries, and I'd bet money on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I don't see how any of that has to do with how he polls among the Republican electorate, which is really well right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) the republican establishment is going to do everything it can to make sure trump doesn't get the nomination because it'd pretty much be the nail in the coffin for their chances of winning the presidency and if they fail i'm going to laugh my ass off. and i won't be surprised if they do fail, to be honest - it'd fit his anti-Washington narrative and anyone still supporting Trump at this point doesn't give a crap about his obvious flaws. as for which republican i like the most... ugh, that's sort of like being asked which torture device i would prefer to use on myself. i don't see many of my republican peers liking the field, either. Edited November 25, 2015 by Crysta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skynstein Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) I don't see how any of that has to do with how he polls among the Republican electorate, which is really well right now. He could be popular among Republicans but if they want to win the election they need a candidate who can sway the independents in his favor. Trump could be their wet dream but they need to look at the big picture. That's why it's rare for extremist hopefuls to front campaigns. Then again, I may be underestimating the GOP electorate's idiocy. Edited November 25, 2015 by Cerberus87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 That's obviously true, but not how the primary elections are conducted, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 i used to think that, but it looks like trump went full on fascist in recent days. I think clinton is awful on foreign policy. I mean she has the secretary gig on her resume, but everything she's said about the middle east just makes me cringe. i don't have much hope for bernie having a chance at the nomination, but i'm glad that his campaign has already done a service to the country by having people talk about issues no one else was until now. it's the kind of populist movement that the country needed, and hopefully will continue regardless of the elections. Alright, look. I despise Donald Trump. To call him fascist it overstating things. When there are posters of him everywhere saying "long live Trump" like there are for the PM of Hungary then we'll talk. Seriously, though, Fascism isn't just about racism, it's about the devaluation of the individual, which Trump obviously doesn't stand for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 No, that's not how it works. In America, fascism wouldn't take shape via Nazi-esque caricatures of boots and posters. You have to look at it in ideological terms, not how it presents itself. Hence in Europe you have the Sweden Democrats shifting from stereotypical neo-nazis to a more sophisticated right populist machine. Likewise, Trump is echoing the European fascist movements with populist, xenophobic rhetoric and authoritarian ideology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 John Kasich has at least been good for a few laughs when he broke from debate etiquette and interrupted other candidates to tell them their dumb, infeasible and wrong ideas were dumb, infeasible and wrong. Albeit to scarce positive returns onstage and jeering from the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Then it's not fascism. Fascism is a very specific ideology characterized by extreme ultranationalist, totalitarianism, and corporatism. Trump fulfills 2 of the three, but that doesn't make him a fascist. Golden Dawn in Greece are fascist, because they want to establish a dictatorial state. Trump is fine with the fundamental structure of the USA remaining the same. Therefore, he is not fascist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Trump's policies could very well lead to some sort of "corporate fascism", unless you're of the opinion that we're already living in such a system. But calling him a person who supports a fascist ideology is obviously wrong. Looking at things from that angle I don't think his policies are any closer to fascism than Clinton's for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) trump's mobilized a core constituency of resentful, anxious downscale white voters by ranting about rapist mexicans, letting his supporters beat up BLM shirt-wearing black folks at his rallies, tweeting bogus black crime statistics from neo-nazi websites, and shit like the "muslim registry" and actual shitthatdidn'thappen.txt with "muzzies in jersey city cheering when the towers went down", and his support seems to ebb whenever he does this even if this isn't actually fascism, it's got enough of the same racial resentment-based right-wing populist strands to worry all of us americans who aren't exactly pasty I don't understand how Trump could win. I mean, no one who is black or Latino would vote for him, in fact, despite voting not being mandatory, it's possible that if he ran, those populations would turn up to vote "against" him and in support of whoever is the Democrat candidate. Trump won't make it past the primaries, and I'd bet money on it. it's almost funny because after the 2012 elections, when 88% of romney's voters were white, some brighter republican strategists were like "okay you know what, we need more minority votes to win, maybe we can placate some latinos by not blowing the dogwhistle so loudly on illegals and doing some immigration reform" it seems now, though, the base said fuck it (if they ever bought into that in the first place) and are going full 1488; i guess this is the logical conclusion of a half-century of the southern strategy Edited November 25, 2015 by I.M. Gei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Then it's not fascism. Fascism is a very specific ideology characterized by extreme ultranationalist, totalitarianism, and corporatism. Trump fulfills 2 of the three, but that doesn't make him a fascist. Golden Dawn in Greece are fascist, because they want to establish a dictatorial state. Trump is fine with the fundamental structure of the USA remaining the same. Therefore, he is not fascist. Rhetoric and ideology that relies on authoritarianism and racism is fascist as far as I'm concerned. I'm not interested in pigeon holing and navel gazing things into cooke cutter and myopic "definitions." I mean if the difference between Trump and fascism is a semantic thing, then I'm hardly"overstating" anything. Edited November 25, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Except it's not semantic. Calling Trump fascist is like calling Sanders Communist. Fascist authoritarianism is very different from Republican authoritarianism, in that it is socially and politically authoritarian, while the Tea Party is only socially authoritarian. If you can name me a single instance where Fascists came to power and kept the same governmental structure I will concede the point. I am not worried, however, because there is no such instance. Seriously, you have enough things you can say about Trump to make him look bad that you don't have to pull a new insult out of nowhere that is inaccurate, hyperbolic, and fearmongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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