Super Smash Bros Universe Mafia

[Prims]

vig can probably only target people on the same stage

that said unless if i were a multiple-shot vig i would've shot bananas last night

[Prims]

- "unless"

[BBM]

this is wrong for obvious reasons, especially if the vig target was a previous wagon

I suppose you can, but not to the same extent that you can analyze a lynch. And you're still speeding up a mafia win.

[scorri]

Just coming in to say before I head to bed because I don't really have any other thoughts right not (yes this is a useless post, yes I will try to have more things of substance up tomorrow, no prims you should not take this as an indication that I'm active lurking, it's 2:40 in the morning and I want to reread some things before I post more so deal with it)

Manix: subjugate is an awesome word and it made me laugh. So thank you.

[Excellen Browning]

This phase has been remarkably... dead... especially in comparison to the shitstorm that will be known as SSBUM D1.

In any case, while I do now agree with Prims that bizz/scorri aren't looking too good after an ISO, I still feel less strongly about them than Proto. But may be due to Proto being my original target and bizz/scorri being yours. Right as of now I want to lynch Proto more than scorri, and I will respond to his defense later on.

Also agree the lack discussion and the amount of proto votes don't sit well with me.

Also scorri nice idea on how "limiting the stages" somehow equates to "having an easier time finding scum". It's funny because proto also brought it up in his point against subieko. And it was brought in such a way that suggests he has real information on the whether-or-not-that-is-true. While, clearly, town shouldn't know anything about this.

Now, in response to proto's defense.

Dear Proto, I get two reads off your defense post. The first of which amounts to "scum". The second read amounts to you being apathic about this game for whatever reason. Currently hanging towards the apathic, though that won't change my stance on lynching you.

[BBM]

Another thing I want you to answer, Proto- why was Excellen your #2 scumread earlier on? You say nothing at all about him other than that he and Naglfar overreacted when they voted for Marth because of his Blitz vote. But then why Excellen specifically and not Naglfar or one of the others who was on the Marth wagon?

[Grace]

And now is the time to explain yourself. You said you would, to be fair.

Hey Iris, you never explained yourself re:Shinori, so get on that please

A scan of D2 so far has determined the following people:

Iris

Serious Bananas

Folgore Pink

Psych

Shinori

Have barely posted at all (ie: less than 5 posts). Keep an eye out.

So yes, the phase is kinda dead.

[Grace]

Actually, forgot Bluedoom on that list. But ehhhhh

[Blitz]

this sucks, I made a long post, but it just got away

gotta start again

[Bluedoom]

Really I'd just like it if Proto claims so we actually know what we're handling.

Also, I'm not keeping my vote on Elieson right now. Its time for a vote switch: ##Unvote ##Vote: iris

I'd really like to know what your thoughts are at this point. You and Elieson have both been tunneling different players, but I think it'd be wise to interrogate you first.

Also, something caught my attention:

Shinori said he got weird stuff from his area.

I have a line in my role PM similar to yours, saying that something in the surroundings could alter my actions.

Apparently same with BBM. Now, if anyone in any other area got this effect, please notify us now. Or if you were in Shinori's area and got this effect too, state it anyway. I'm not sure I trust what BBM said.

[Blitz]

Anyways, i get the feeling Proto is just trying to waste our time by claiming as late as possible and essentially wasting our good day phase by making it as inactive as possible, so I think we should talk about other stuff along with the Proto wagon

btw, I won't be around tomorrow because of a study tour to a clinker grinding factory, but should be able to make it before phase ends on Tuesday.

@Marth, glad to see your name here and try to keep up posting stuff even when there isn't a huge wagon on you

@Excellen and Manix , keep it up

@Prims, long games are normally good for us, so I am not gonna agree with a vig shot on everyone who had a wagon on him/her, but if we can lynch maf early and get the game over with, I wouldn't mind a short game. I am mainly saying this cause there are lot of reason a person could act scummy (like a doc so that s/he seems more like a valid lynch target and the maf stays away from shooting her/him.) So, abusing the vig is not a good idea, unless we have a confirmed either X is scum or Y has to be scenario.

@SB, please exist

@Elie, I don't see much in how you are any better than you were yesterday

@Eclipse, you don't seem like your usual self

@Subi, I am thinking you are a day persuader, but I could be way off.

@Shinori, why you no target me?

@Tiny, you should still give your opinions, even though your role claimed

@Psych, I have nothing to say to you

@Strawman, you should drop in more stuff about your thoughts regarding the game than just the night actions

@Scorri,in agreement to Prims, you seem a little less like your townie self and slightly tilted towards your mafia self

@Iris,you do know, you tend to lurk a whole lot when you are scum

well, I know the post contains quits some fluff, but I couldn't think of anything better for now.

[eclipse]

Pretty sure Shinori announced the Brinstar one during N1. It wouldn't surprise me if certain roles work differently on certain stages. Mine wasn't affected by 'shroom Kingdom (BTW, calling it that was my reason for going there).

Marth, what is your opinion on Proto? You managed to go the entire day phase without saying a thing about him.

[Kriemhild]

Okay, I could have sworn I made a giant post with my claim and other stuff but I guess it didn't go through, sorry.

Dear Luster Purge,

You are Charizard.

A Flame Pokémon. Its fiery breath is hot enough to burn up rocks, and its wings let it fly up to 4,600 feet into the air. It's a proud Pokémon that will never use its flame breath on an opponent weaker than itself. The flame on its tail is a barometer of how much vitality it has remaining. Its signature move, Flamethrower, is a reliable technique.

You have no special abilities. Your goal is to gain experience as a fighter and visit as many different areas as possible to hone your skills.

You are allied with the Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Anyways, to summarize what I intended to say in the vanishing post, there are several possibilities of what happened last night. The one who killed Naggy was either:

• Proto/Subieko/Strawman. Even with Strawman proving his ability, and Subieko being able to, it doesn't mean that they can't be Mafia since Mafia members can usually use their own ability in addition to killing.
  
• A Mafia member from another stage shot Naggy. This could be a daytime poisoning, an unannounced teleportation, or just a special ability that transcends stages. If there's a stage that allows you to target players from other stages, I want any player on that stage to announce that now.

As for why Naggy didn't kill anybody:

• [*]He idled, possibly because he realized it would be easy to notice that someone would keep dying on the stage that he's in.

[*]Proto/Subieko is Mafia and roleblocked him or somehow prevented him from killing. Most likely Proto in this case, since Subieko claims she can prove her ability

[*]The mods decided that dead players' actions won't go through. I've seen this before in a few other games that implement priority lists. I wish Paper/Kaoz could confirm or deny if this is the case, but they probably won't.

[*]The protection can transcend stages (Yeah, right)

There's also the possibility that Naggy was redirected to kill himself, which would clear both issues. Interestingly, he designed a role in his own Mafia game that gets players to get hit by their own action. This possibility does not account for the Mafia's kill though.

I would appreciate if you guys could post any other possibilities that I may have missed, and to comment on these as well.

As for me, I find it unlikely for the Mafia to have a kill that transcends stages. The reason is because of Naglfar himself. He is a Serial Killer and from his role PM, he can't kill from a different stage. At least the Mafia can send different players to do the killing, which prevents them from being easily exposed by the stage system. The Serial Killer is a lone wolf that needs the ability to bypass stage restrictions more than the Mafia does. I think the mods would have balanced this game enough to give the ability to bypass stages when killing to Naggy instead of the Mafia, and since that's clearly not the case, I think the Mafia shot from Fountain of Dreams. Which makes me suspicious of Subieko and Strawman.

##Unvote: Subieko

She revealed whatever she's willing to reveal, and gave her night report, so I wanna hear other players' thoughts right now.

[Bluedoom]

Pretty sure Shinori announced the Brinstar one during N1. It wouldn't surprise me if certain roles work differently on certain stages. Mine wasn't affected by 'shroom Kingdom (BTW, calling it that was my reason for going there).

Marth, what is your opinion on Proto? You managed to go the entire day phase without saying a thing about him.

That contradiction that Subi/Prims I believe? pointed out does bug me, and lynching him might be a good idea but first I'd like to see his claim. So you know, we actually know if we're on the right track or we're off it.

[Kriemhild]

Fail list tags

[Bluedoom]

I got utterly ninja'd

[Bluedoom]

Ok guys, after viewing Proto's claim, tbh, I think he's town wasting our time.

Reason is I too have a pokemon for my character, and the stuff in his apparent Role PM seem believable, similar to mine. I don't think I want him lynched.

[eclipse]

Reference

1. 'shroom Kingdom reporting, I got no special messages when I chose the stage.

2. You just said that you're vanilla, and brought up the point that you might be able to block the kill. WHY?

3. Shinori claimed redirector, and was on Brinstar. Are you saying that Shinori somehow got from Brinstar to Fountain of Dreams and redirected Nags to himself? Or are you saying there might be another redirection role?

4. Another possibility which I don't think happened? Nags shot himself. I know he did in SSBM, but that was because he was disgusted with the game. However, I don't see why he'd do that here; it was N1, and that's a really weird time to give up on a game, especially when you're SK.

5. And lastly, you are suspicious of Strawman/Subi, and then you unvote Subi.

Proto, it's late, stop making my head hurt.

[Kaoz]

Votals

[5] Proto: Daigoji Excellen, Blitz, BBM, Subieko, scorri, Prims

[1] Iris: Bluedoom

[1] scorri: Prims

[0] Subieko: BBM, Proto

[0] Elieson: ]Bluedoom[/s]

Voteless: Iris, SB, eclipse, Folgore Pink, Psych, Shinori, StSS, Elieson, Manix, Proto

Phase ends in 46 hours, 26 minutes. Remember to choose a stage for the night.

[Bluedoom]

Pretty sure Shinori announced the Brinstar one during N1. It wouldn't surprise me if certain roles work differently on certain stages. Mine wasn't affected by 'shroom Kingdom (BTW, calling it that was my reason for going there).

Marth, what is your opinion on Proto? You managed to go the entire day phase without saying a thing about him.

Yeah I know he announced it on N1. Did I say something else?

Also I didn't get any message even though I was in Brinstar.

Also I'd like to ask BBM what happened to his night action, if he even used it. Apparently something went wrong with Shinori.

[Blitz]

2. You just said that you're vanilla, and brought up the point that you might be able to block the kill. WHY?

I have to ask you where he says he can block kills

Ok guys, after viewing Proto's claim, tbh, I think he's town wasting our time.

Reason is I too have a pokemon for my character, and the stuff in his apparent Role PM seem believable, similar to mine. I don't think I want him lynched.

and care to explain further Marth?

on another note, I didn't get any stage msg either

[eclipse]

1. Click on the link that says "Reference".

2. Read the tag fail part.

[Blitz]

I don't think he claimed to be able to protect, he claimed a protection role doing something

[Blitz]

hey Marth, since you outed, care to claim your Pok'emon?

[eclipse]

As for why Naggy didn't kill anybody:

[*]He idled, possibly because he realized it would be easy to notice that someone would keep dying on the stage that he's in.

[*]Proto/Subieko is Mafia and roleblocked him or somehow prevented him from killing. Most likely Proto in this case, since Subieko claims she can prove her ability

[*]The mods decided that dead players' actions won't go through. I've seen this before in a few other games that implement priority lists. I wish Paper/Kaoz could confirm or deny if this is the case, but they probably won't.

[*]The protection can transcend stages (Yeah, right)

Bullet two. Which makes no sense, given his claim.