Super Smash Bros Universe Mafia

[Psych]

I recall Marth saying he had a Pokemon role back when Proto first claimed. So he didn't come up with that only after both you and Proto claimed, at least.Also I don't know that much about Smash Bros but I know my character is not a playable character; he could be an assist or a trophy or something, I don't know. So I can confirm that non-playable characters are in the game. Also, Psych, I thought your role could potentially upgrade? And that's why you went to the Mushroom stage, all the sun?You could iso SB's posts, but he was a bit suspicious D1 (odd suspicion on Blitz, did not vote until prompted multiple times, was suspicious of Marth but failed to ever vote him) and he's barely said anything today. I think that's the main reasoning for the wagon on him.Your thoughts on SB, Scorri, and Iris, please, since I believe those seem to be our current possible lynch targets. Unless someone has someone else in mind?

True, and this also applies to my reply to Prims VVV but it's possible it's like the last SSB game where Mewtwo was mafia, so it's possible he's a mafia Pokemon. What I meant about the upgrade was it seemed like Marth was upgraded by another person, while me and Proto will upgrade on our own once we achieve something. SB, I sorta mentioned, Iris I think she's been kinda lurking/actually busy, but I don't think she's too scummy, and Scorri, I think people have been pushing for her for no apparent reason except that (no offense) she's not as experienced as Bizz, and thus easier to lynch than Bizz. Bizz is someone usually killed early since she's good at scum hunting and all. I realize not wanting any of them lynched is bad, but I haven't really formed negative opinions of them. They aren't clear obviously, but they're much more neutral than other people to me. Excellen, Eclipse (Even if her role kinda cleared her, I still don't like her), Prims is starting to bring up a blip on the radar, I'd say BBM as well, and maybe Blitz. I'd like those guys for lynches more.

Shadow (Shinori's claim) is also an assist. So how about that?also remember that this isn't just Brawl, so there easily could be other roles present, like Shadow and Piplup

It could be lke the other SSB game where Mewtwo was mafia. So it isn't just Brawl, but it could be that assists are mafia, or at least there is one in the mafia.

[Subieko]

It could be lke the other SSB game where Mewtwo was mafia. So it isn't just Brawl, but it could be that assists are mafia, or at least there is one in the mafia.

Didn't the assists thing make spotting the mafia a bit easy in the last SSB mafia? I read it a while ago but I feel that I remember that. Which makes me think that the same thing wouldn't be put in this game. I could be wrong, but if the mafia's characters and/or fakeclaims all followed an obvious pattern it would be too easy to find them.

[Psych]

True, but they could have a list of claims, or at least recognize that they all have a theme and try to claim something different.

[Iris]

I've read everything (man it feels so good to be caught up), and I can finally contribute somewhat.

This seems weird, as well as that Role PM. There's a difference between a Role that can upgrade and what appears to be mine and Proto's role. Yes, Piplup is an assist, so if I see someone like Isaac or Lyn then sure, I'll take Marth's claim a bit more at face value, but at the moment I feel like Marth might be scum trying to fake claim and get in on the Pokemon bandwagon and they used him being upgraded as an excuse for a mafia member to visit him in case of a watcher.

Piplup's actually from a Pokeball, not an assist trophy. And I believe Marth's claim for what it's worth, since I too am a Pokemon from a Pokeball.

Unless someone has someone else in mind?

Imp (this is backwards since I thought eclipse would flip scum over her, but now I highly doubt that) or Shinori for reasons I'm explaining my next post. I've noticed weird things about their Role PMs in comparison to the others (outlining next post).

[Subieko]

True, but they could have a list of claims, or at least recognize that they all have a theme and try to claim something different.

Yeah, which is why I'm saying I don't think it makes sense to assume Shinori or Marth is mafia solely because they claimed assists. Because if the mafia actually did have roles that were all assists, why would they claim that? It would be too obvious.

[Subieko]

Piplup's actually from a Pokeball, not an assist trophy. And I believe Marth's claim for what it's worth, since I too am a Pokemon from a Pokeball.

Wait what. That is a lot of Pokemon in this game. best game ever I'm assuming based on your previous comments that you aren't a Vanilla like the others, though.

Imp (this is backwards since I thought eclipse would flip scum over her, but now I highly doubt that) or Shinori for reasons I'm explaining my next post. I've noticed weird things about their Role PMs in comparison to the others (outlining next post).

So do you think Imp is fakeclaiming Tracker, or do you think she's a scum!Tracker?

[Strawman]

Yo, my character is neither playable nor an assist trophy. Just a regular trophy apparently. Hence why I said character obscurity probably means nothing. AND WHAT THE HECK WITH ALL THE POKEMON CLAIMS. And why had Iris been so insistent about claiming this phase?

[Prims]

Iris:

1) whoisscum

2) explain Subi waffle?

my character isn't an assist trophy or playable character either

[Grace]

so. many. claims. :S

since there seems to be a lot of pokemon claims now (5 last I checked), now I'm thinking that at least one of them might be mafia. which one, I don't really know. possibly Iris or Marth? I honestly don't know.

@scorri: you could claim if you want, but ehhh

[Iris]

The following all my references for what I'm going to point out, they're just a compilation of all the claims (just the flavor + night action line) so far + Kay's legitimate dead Role PM. Nagflar not included since he was third party anyways. I actually almost posted this with my Role PM included, since I was using it for reference when I had everything typed out in wordpad.

[spoiler=Kay (Dedede)]The self-styled king of the amazingly peaceful Dream Land. He continually does things unbecoming a king, like stealing the kingdom's food supplies or all the stars from the sky. He's not all bad, though, and sometimes performs good deeds. While he and Kirby often battle, they've been known to compete good-naturedly at speed-eating contests and minigames.

During the night, you may reply to your Role PM with "Night X - Waddle Dee Army, seize USER!". Your underlings will swarm USER and bring you USER's Role PM. Unfortunately, Waddle Dees aren't very careful with what they seized, which causes USER's name, flavour and alliance to be unreadable, leaving you with only the role itself. It might end up slightly less damaged if they have less energy.

[spoiler=Shinori (Shadow)]Shadow The Hedgehog is a black hedgehog who resembles Sonic. He was created by Dr. Eggman's grandfather, Gerald Robotnik, to be the ultimate life-form. Not only does he look like Sonic, but he has equal abilities. He has great skill with the space-time warping technique called Chaos Control. To reach his goals, he'll use any means necessary.

During the night, you may reply to your Role PM with "Chaos Control USER1 and USER2". This will cause USER1's action to be redirected to USER2, regardless of it's original target. Your abilities have been kind of unstable lately though, so a change in surroundings may cause the chaotic energy to run wild.

[spoiler=Proto (Charizard)]A Flame Pokémon. Its fiery breath is hot enough to burn up rocks, and its wings let it fly up to 4,600 feet into the air. It's a proud Pokémon that will never use its flame breath on an opponent weaker than itself. The flame on its tail is a barometer of how much vitality it has remaining. Its signature move, Flamethrower, is a reliable technique.

You have no special abilities. Your goal is to gain experience as a fighter and visit as many different areas as possible to hone your skills.

[spoiler=eclipse (Bowser)]The king of the Koopas and Mario's eternal rival. He breathes fire, hurls hammers, attacks from vehicles like the Koopa Clown Car, and uses all sorts of weapons in hopes of taking out Mario. As his size suggests, he's immensely powerful. His son Bowser Jr. is a chip off the old block who spends his time creating trouble for Mario.

During the night, you may reply to your Role PM with "Night X - Contact USER." You will order the Koopa Troop to block the area around USER, allowing you to talk outside the thread for the duration of the following day.

[spoiler=Psych (Ivysaur)]A Seed Pokémon that is the evolved form of Bulbasaur. It has a flower bulb on its back, the weight of which has made it develop strong legs and hips. If the blossom gets too big, the Pokémon can't stand on two legs alone. At a certain level, it evolves into Venusaur. When this happens, the bulb absorbs nutrients and blossoms into a large-petaled flower.

You have no special abilities. Your goal is to make the bulb on your back sprout, so go to a place that has lots of sunlight and stay there for a while.

[spoiler=Marth (Piplup)]A Penguin Pokémon. It's one of the starter Pokémon received from Professor Rowan when the player departs from the Sinnoh region. It's a Water type, so it's strong versus Rock and Ground types. It's very cute but filled with pride-- it hates to accept food from people. When it levels up, it evolves into Prinplup.

You have no special abilities. You're here to root for your idol.

[spoiler=Folgore Pink (Imp)]The persona Zelda adopted to escape from Ganondorf. She completely hid all traces of her Zelda identity and appeared to Link as the last member of the Sheikah tribe. She taught Link essential ocarina melodies and then vanished in an instant. She didn't appear very often--rather, she would show up to support Link in crucial situations.

During the night, you may reply to your role PM with "Night X – Tracking USER". Using your stealthy nature, you will track the target over the night, determining who that person visited that night.

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THINGS I'VE NOTICED: (everything bolded is things that bother me)

SHINORI

Shadow The Hedgehog is a black hedgehog who resembles Sonic. He was created by Dr. Eggman's grandfather, Gerald Robotnik, to be the ultimate life-form. Not only does he look like Sonic, but he has equal abilities. He has great skill with the space-time warping technique called Chaos Control. To reach his goals, he'll use any means necessary.

During the night, you may reply to your Role PM with "Chaos Control USER1 and USER2". This will cause USER1's action to be redirected to USER2, regardless of it's original target. Your abilities have been kind of unstable lately though, so a change in surroundings may cause the chaotic energy to run wild.

(1) everyone else's claim (+ mine not included) starts with something that's not the name. Basically a fragment describing everyone's character. Shinori's includes the full name of character and isn't a fragment, etc.

(2) I was the one pointing out the missing Night X thing, self explanatory

(3) it's, of least importance (only the first two make me smell faulty role PM), I was originally convinced that it was normal since Kaoz sometimes makes these grammar errors, but I noticed in my Role PM, it was used properly, so yeah

FOLGORE PINK (to a far lesser extent than Shinori atm)

The persona Zelda adopted to escape from Ganondorf. She completely hid all traces of her Zelda identity and appeared to Link as the last member of the Sheikah tribe. She taught Link essential ocarina melodies and then vanished in an instant. She didn't appear very often--rather, she would show up to support Link in crucial situations.

During the night, you may reply to your role PM with "Night X – Tracking USER". Using your stealthy nature, you will track the target over the night, determining who that person visited that night.

(1) not bolded but the first paragraph focuses more on what Sheik did in Ocarina rather than her contributions in the SSB world, oh and it's strangely written in past tense (because it focuses on Ocarina instead of SSB), which is strange since everyone else's is primarily written in the present

(2) the 'r' in role PM isn't capitalized like others, I suppose I could see this as an error

(3) you can't really tell, but the hyphen looking thing between Night X and Tracking USER is actually an en dash (–) as opposed to a regular hyphen / dash (-) which makes me really confused since IDK how an en dash occurs normally + everyone else's (including mine) who has an active action is using a dash

overall there are just a bunch of errors made by host writing OR clumsy fake claims (looking in Shinori's mostly)

##Vote: Shinori

replying to other things + explaining tons of other stuff in next few posts, wanted to get this down so other people can comment

wow and i haven't even done votal analysis yet !

[Shinori]

@ Kaoz: CAN YOU VERIFY THAT YOU DIDNT PUT A NIGHT X THING IN MY FUCKING ROLE PM.

[Shinori]

Also out of all the claims the first part you bolded in regards of how mine starts with Shadow the hedgehog, everyone else had something that described them, Are you just going to say, the black perfect life form, or something?

[Prims]

~flavor arguments~

yeah shinori's pm description doesn't match the structure of mine either

impy stuff is more likely to be a mod mistake though

would sheep to this if no better wagons pop up anytime soon

honestly people should just ban mod PM quoting because it's stupid but uh

[BBM]

In my role PM, my character (who is, I believe, playable) is described more for what he does in his game than what he does in SSB. At least, that's what it seems like, but I can't be sure because I've played neither my character's game nor SSB. It does not, however, start with my charcater's name. But, I'm uncomfortable about analyzing the exact wording and grammar of people's fakeclaims instead of their actions/behaviour. The hosts aren't, AFAIK, grammar nazis, and a couple mistakes here or there in a role PM shouldn't be the basis for a lynch.

I'd like it if everyone could post their top 3 lynch targets, and then we can vote for whoever comes up the most. Mine are SB, Eclipse, and Scorri atm.

[Iris]

Wait what. That is a lot of Pokemon in this game. best game ever I'm assuming based on your previous comments that you aren't a Vanilla like the others, though.

So do you think Imp is fakeclaiming Tracker, or do you think she's a scum!Tracker?

Nope. My Pokemon actually has no affiliation with the others, really, aside from being a Pokemon. oh man, if all of the Pokemon claims are true, then best game ever

I actually have no idea. Unlike Shinori, the errors in her claim are miniscule in comparison. I've never seen scum!Tracker (only heard), so not sure.

Yo, my character is neither playable nor an assist trophy. Just a regular trophy apparently. Hence why I said character obscurity probably means nothing. AND WHAT THE HECK WITH ALL THE POKEMON CLAIMS. And why had Iris been so insistent about claiming this phase?

Yeah, Paperblade and Kaoz are really good at balancing when it comes to equal amounts of minor and major characters. I have no idea, I was also concerned when I saw the amount of Pokemon claims (but they're all vanilla unlike me). I've been kind of waffly about claiming since I'm concerned that I've screwed up Shinori's chances for proving his redirecting role on Night 2. Not too concerned about claiming right now, though.

Iris:

1) whoisscum

2) explain Subi waffle?

my character isn't an assist trophy or playable character either

1. explained earlier basically, but I have mild other opinions not included

2. yeah I realize this was weird, I was actually pretty convinced that she was scum last phase because of a few reasons: (a) meta (from what I've observed in Higurashi (didn't pay too much attention), Subieko was actually more assertive in her scumhunting), etc. I'm not convinced she's like super town or anything, since she's null right now, but it'd be a waste of a day role since Straw empowered her. Plus, I think she's playing much better than she was day 1. Not sure what else to add.

so. many. claims. :S

since there seems to be a lot of pokemon claims now (5 last I checked), now I'm thinking that at least one of them might be mafia. which one, I don't really know. possibly Iris or Marth? I honestly don't know.

actually pretty sure there were only 4 (Proto, Marth, Psych, me). in my opinion, I trust Proto's claim the most, and I'm okay with the others, but I think I had a question for Marth, but I first need to find the quote that

[Subieko]

(1) not bolded but the first paragraph focuses more on what Sheik did in Ocarina rather than her contributions in the SSB world, oh and it's strangely written in past tense (because it focuses on Ocarina instead of SSB), which is strange since everyone else's is primarily written in the present

Not sure what you mean by the SSB world, but the other role PMs all focus on the character's home canon. And that includes Kay. Naglfar's role PM was weird and focused on that Brawl comic. So that argument doesn't make sense to me.

The past tense thing is a fair point, now that you point it out. I didn't even notice it before. And yeah, my role PM starts with a sentence fragment description thingy too, not a sentence with my char name. And that is a mistake I could see someone making when writing a fakeclaim.

But I would like to see reasoning based on Shinori's posts as well as his claim. He did look scummy D1 but his play also reminds me of how he was in Higurashi so this may be his normal Town playstyle.

[Shinori]

WTB kaoz to see if it's a host error or something. Because I linked it exactly as I have it in my role pm, if I was scum and I made a fake-claim, I've made them before and they weren't like that, also in most situations the host even offers to help, at least check them to see if they are okay to be shown to other players. The chances that I would have abysmally made my role pm massively wrong, not gotten help from either mod, or had been corrected by ANY mafia member before posting my pm in the thread is abysmally low. I would seriously hope you guys think about that and the fact that you are wanting to vote me for a stupid reason.

I still feel SB or scorri to be a better lynch target, or to a lesser note, Timp because possibility of scum tracker is in the game.

[Prims]

scorri > BBM > Shinori

[Iris]

@things Shinori said: I'm assuming Kaoz will or will not, and will probably state whatever Haze/Paperblade and Ether/Balcerzak did in SFMM2 and CPM respectively.

~flavor arguments~

yeah shinori's pm description doesn't match the structure of mine either

impy stuff is more likely to be a mod mistake though

would sheep to this if no better wagons pop up anytime soon

honestly people should just ban mod PM quoting because it's stupid but uh

hm makes sense

idk, and I agree about no mod PM quoting hrm, and I've only heard, but didn't the fake caims reveal the mafia last SBB mafia game?

In my role PM, my character (who is, I believe, playable) is described more for what he does in his game than what he does in SSB. At least, that's what it seems like, but I can't be sure because I've played neither my character's game nor SSB. It does not, however, start with my charcater's name. But, I'm uncomfortable about analyzing the exact wording and grammar of people's fakeclaims instead of their actions/behaviour. The hosts aren't, AFAIK, grammar nazis, and a couple mistakes here or there in a role PM shouldn't be the basis for a lynch.

I'd like it if everyone could post their top 3 lynch targets, and then we can vote for whoever comes up the most. Mine are SB, Eclipse, and Scorri atm.

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hmm, then forgot things i said about imp, but shinori's still stands

the grammar errors were only mild things i've noticed, like i wouldn't lynch based solely on shitty grammar errors, but shinori's has bigger issues

I'll post top 3 lynch targets after I finish looking at votals / doing analysis for reference from D1

[Subieko]

I actually have no idea. Unlike Shinori, the errors in her claim are miniscule in comparison. I've never seen scum!Tracker (only heard), so not sure.

Then you should consider the point, because if Impy is scum, then either she is fakeclaiming or she is a scum!Tracker. Fakeclaiming Tracker seems like a bad idea to me (how would you prove it?), and Impy has claimed to have tracked SB and found SB idling. SB has not contradicted this. Them both being scum seems unlikely because why would they link themselves together like that, and if Impy is lying that was a crazy risk to take unless she knew for sure SB had a passive role or was idling.

So as I see it, fakeclaim of Tracker seems unlikely, scum Tracker seems unlikely. Any argument that Impy is scum has to address the Tracker claim.

@BBM, top three lynch picks are Iris, SB, Scorri; would maybe settle for a lynch on you, I've become less certain of my suspicions on you during D2.

yeah I realize this was weird, I was actually pretty convinced that she was scum last phase because of a few reasons: (a) meta (from what I've observed in Higurashi (didn't pay too much attention), Subieko was actually more assertive in her scumhunting), etc.

A few = more than one.

@Shinori: I don't think the host can verify that parts of your claim are true? That wouldn't really make sense since trying to figure out if claims are true or not is part of the game.

[Kriemhild]

I was still suspicious of Shinori before, and the errors in his role PM add further reasons for wanting to lynch him.

/me is sheeping Iris

##Vote: Shinori

[Shinori]

Hosts have verified before if there was a host error in a role pm. And something as simple as there is the possibility for host errors to be in a pm is all that there needs to be to make iris shut up about a stupid situation. After originally saying you thought I was town then flip-floppinng to thinking I'm scum, you say you want to wait till night 2 so I can prove my claim, then you say you don't care if i make it night 2 to prove my claim basically. Would you make up your mind? Jesus christ you're just waffling all over and it makes it impossible to get a proper read on what you actually freaking want.

[Subieko]

You have got to be kidding me, are we seriously going to last-minute lynch Shinori via people dropping in for three-sentence posts + votes.

[Iris]

wow, i was badly ninja'd there

Not sure what you mean by the SSB world, but the other role PMs all focus on the character's home canon. And that includes Kay. Naglfar's role PM was weird and focused on that Brawl comic. So that argument doesn't make sense to me.

The past tense thing is a fair point, now that you point it out. I didn't even notice it before. And yeah, my role PM starts with a sentence fragment description thingy too, not a sentence with my char name. And that is a mistake I could see someone making when writing a fakeclaim.

But I would like to see reasoning based on Shinori's posts as well as his claim. He did look scummy D1 but his play also reminds me of how he was in Higurashi so this may be his normal Town playstyle.

It was more of a 'oh it was based on history--well game history', but I see your point. I actually almost forgot about Nags' role PM when I was doing analysis of those, so yeah

k, I'll look into his ISO in a second (aka give me time) after votal analysis, and Shinori's scummy, a lot, so yeah, I see what you're getting at

WTB kaoz to see if it's a host error or something. Because I linked it exactly as I have it in my role pm, if I was scum and I made a fake-claim, I've made them before and they weren't like that, also in most situations the host even offers to help, at least check them to see if they are okay to be shown to other players. The chances that I would have abysmally made my role pm massively wrong, not gotten help from either mod, or had been corrected by ANY mafia member before posting my pm in the thread is abysmally low. I would seriously hope you guys think about that and the fact that you are wanting to vote me for a stupid reason.

I still feel SB or scorri to be a better lynch target, or to a lesser note, Timp because possibility of scum tracker is in the game.

What does WTB stand for ?

I think Subieko was the one who said something about how she thought she doubted you were scum since she figured scum would unlikely let their buddy post a faulty PM without a check, but not really sure, since when we were scumbuddies in CPM, we were really meticulous about having role PMs match exact style and whatnot, but then there was that time in in SFM where everyone forgot to check Blitz's Bodyguard fakeclaim, so it's not entirely possible that scum didn't check, hmm

[Prims]

##Unvote

##Vote: Shinori

probably

nobody will lynch the people who have been acting scummy with me :(