WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Weapons, could you give me your opinions on Marth's general play and maybe what you are leaning on him? I have not really read into his posts. What's different about his play this game and his last? 1. Not going to answer this one. 2. This has been a murky game. 3. Shoot scum. 4. Roleblock scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I've always said that paper and no one has ever corrected me on that. Give me a good reason to out my town reads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 People that most people see are town will most likely be kill targets, scum most likely can tell general town reads from just reading the thread. Town can too but meh. I think that it has more possibility to actually affect a scums kill than anything. Especially if the list isn't in any specific order. They won't know who is obv town to everyone. If scum think X might be doctored then they can't really just jump on said target. I have, in the past, when I've been town looked at who other people thought were town when deciding what to do. I think it's more beneficial when you look at it from a whole. If you think X player is town and Y player is town but you don't know what to think of Z player look at what X and Y said about them to get your thoughts in place. If saying town reads is bad, how come no one has ever told me I shouldn't out town reads? Also how come this is done on other sites, such as Mafiascum, Dragonmount, and Jetnation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Frankly I just see nothing wrong with outting town reads when you everyone here tends to hint at who they thing is scum/town just by simple sentences. When you say X, Y, and Z are scummy and you are leaning scum on B and C scum can assume most of the other players are either town or null or leaning town to you. Also at simple things such as not commenting on something that's happening can give off vibes as if you think player is town or scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yeah, it will affect the maf kill. They'll go for the people that most people think are town, because it means people will lose their good reads. So why is this a good idea again? You can keep your town reads to yourself and do exactly what you said in your post (with X Y and Z). You don't need to publicly broadcast them. We have told you though (not directly), in other games. Xenoblade I think was one of them, but don't quote me on that. And we aren't other sites, and there are different methods to playing on different sites, it isn't standardized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Also, if the mafia don't have a kill target on a really strong pro-town player, they will take a safe kill. They might flip between which one to kill, but it still won't be good for town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 What if doctor is a less experienced player? Or has different reads than the majority of the town? Seeing who the mafia will go after in such a situation could help said player target something. Players differ in opinions, I personally see nothing wrong with outting town reads and I will continue to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 People that most people see are town will most likely be kill targets, scum most likely can tell general town reads from just reading the thread. This isn't true. The mafia killed Naglfar in SSBU for being "obvtown" and the only person who commented on that to me was Prims, who thought they were tryharding to avoid namekills instead killing someone who was hard to read. If saying town reads is bad, how come no one has ever told me I shouldn't out town reads? Also how come this is done on other sites, such as Mafiascum, Dragonmount, and Jetnation. I don't know much about those communities, tbh, except that most other mafia communities on the internet dislike mafiascum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 What if doctor is a less experienced player? Or has different reads than the majority of the town? Seeing who the mafia will go after in such a situation could help said player target something. Welllll you could think that, but there is one thing wrong with this. You're assuming a number of things. What if the doctor was experienced and didn't need it? What then? If the doc has different reads, how is that a problem? They might not protect properly (or even better still, they might protect properly because mafia might kill someone else). You just can't make these assumptions to try and justify giving mafia more information than they should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I assume a lot of things and multiple scenarios every game. It's why I have been accused of my thinking going all over the place by eclipse. You are also acting under the assumptions that mafia don't already know town reads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Shinori, answer my question. Paperblade/Manix, why is asking for town reads indicative of scum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 You are also acting under the assumptions that mafia don't already know town reads. Okay, fine. I said something similar to that (but not exactly that), but: I'm saying that the mafia can take the town reads of anyone who gives them and use that to help them choose a better kill target. Like Paper said, we killed Nags in SSBU for being "obvtown" but most of the town didn't actually think so, and no one said in thread that he was town. Hence, the mafia can also have skewed reads on who to kill. We shouldn't give them ideas, because it really doesn't help us. Regardless of whether or not mafia has town reads, they get supplemental material to confirm what they think. Also: maf already should know who is town, it's just who is obvtown. (excluding possible 3rds) Stop trying to justify outing town reads, it's really painful. If I could vote you again, I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Paperblade/Manix, why is asking for town reads indicative of scum? I wouldn't say scum per se, but quite anti-town. Details already provided. I just feel that Shinori's other play this game is also quite suspect, which doesn't help here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Compare these Weapons: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&andor_type=&sid=1d3ecac913bfb74882e8983cf8c669ff&search_author=Bluedoom&cType=topic&cId=34602&search_term=&search_app=forums&st=25 <----Theatre Mafia. http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&cType=topic&cId=34918&search_author=Bluedoom <---This mafia The change in play is different by miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I draw your attention to the following (again maybe) Look at these. The only post between them was an Elie post. I'm really really confused as to why he jumped off Elie so quickly. This was his justification. And yet still, Elie had 2 other votes (and then Boron voted Elie later), when the largest wagon was 3 (Kay). So apparently the Elie wagon wasn't going anywhere when it was the tied for the largest wagon...? Right that makes sense. #sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I have more reasoning on my swap if you go look at my actual post with scum reads Manix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Shinori, answer my question. Paperblade/Manix, why is asking for town reads indicative of scum? I don't think there is a good reason for town to want to know this information. The town does not know who is scum just giving crappy information so even if they were a role like Watcher or Doctor that wants to target townie people, it can still be misled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 So how does that make someone scum Paper? And why have I not been bashed for saying my town reads, as do a few other players on this site, EVERY GAME. Also this brings back theatre mafia, you seemed perfectly fine with it then, with me prodding people for their opinions and what not, so how come it's so terrible now? Is it solely because you were a scum member last game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 And by prodding people it ended up having people tell me who they thought town were and weren't. which results into the same situation, just then i did it person by person and post by post instead of in one list of questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 So how does that make someone scum Paper? And why have I not been bashed for saying my town reads, as do a few other players on this site, EVERY GAME. "How does doing something that doesn't have a town motivation make someone scum" Also this brings back theatre mafia, you seemed perfectly fine with it then, with me prodding people for their opinions and what not, so how come it's so terrible now? Is it solely because you were a scum member last game? I was scum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 To be more specific I was scum trying not to draw protown attention to myself because I didn't want other scum to nightkill me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Elieson has been posting a lot of stuff that i really don't think is required, I don't know if i could classify this as tunneling or scum trying to look like helpful town, or what. You mean this? Well, that isn't why. You literally jumped from Elie to Marth for no explained reason (then redacted a reason later), then jumped to Aere in this post I quoted. I can see why you jumped to Aere, because you explained it properly, that's fine. But your reasons for jumping off Elie just really don't gel with me. You explain why you think he's scummy, but jump off the wagon "because it isn't going anywhere"? When a wagon is tied for largest, I'd say that wagon is going somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Compare these Weapons: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&andor_type=&sid=1d3ecac913bfb74882e8983cf8c669ff&search_author=Bluedoom&cType=topic&cId=34602&search_term=&search_app=forums&st=25 <----Theatre Mafia. http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&cType=topic&cId=34918&search_author=Bluedoom <---This mafia The change in play is different by miles. A. You're going to have to do some analysis here and point things out. B. I have read through previous games of you, Kay, Aere, Cam, and you know what? You all sound different. Why should I not vote you for being less involved and tonally passive? I don't buy your too much work excuse; you still have enough time to fulfill interest in this game, but you didn't post because you weren't interested in actually lynching scum. By contrast, now you are active, because now you are interested in this thread, and so your schedule does not really matter. I also made sure to read through scum games, for comparison. Have you done that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aere Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Ok, sorry, back, when is deadline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Aere, look here, and do the numbers yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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