[NOC] [Anon] [Open Set-Up] Strip Mafia - lol

[Aizen]

Go ahead, read. His last two posts that mention me don't even give a specific reason to vote me, he just calls me scummy.

[Aizen]

Dwarf, do you have any additional suspicions? I don't remember any other reads you've had in the past five pages or something, and I'm curious;

I demand that Magus get lynched today. If for some reason that doesn't work, I will settle for Bogeto.

[Estelle]

I'm going to bed. I'm not going to be around for quite a few hours.

[Rain Nijika]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>_> the point of the points table wasn't just to lynch whoever got to the top, it was to see prioritize lynches so that we can narrow it down to like the top three or something and not bother with someone who like one person thinks is scummy.

also i don't get redmage's point against me at all, because i didn't even say anything about bogeto in post 124. all i said was that if anyone slipped up to a question like "are you scum?", they're a horrible player. i also didn't like how redmage basically took both sides of the urist/illusio faceoff and said that they were both scummy. feels like he's setting himself up to take whichever side he needs to to push a mislynch. plus the parsel bit at the beginning was weird, like, "i don't think there's anything wrong with him except for this one thing". so go more in detail about this thing, and is that one thing enough to make you think he's scum or not?

[Nemu Kurotsuchi]

@Jay

My point was you chastised gonzou for talking about something old, but your vote on bogeto was solely about old stuff he did.

I'm actually firmly in the urist camp, my objections to him are more technical than anything, (I agree that scumhunter's backflip on magus is strange, but I would've mentioned the backflip rather than a buddy angle) and weakened because of my suspicion of magus (his push on magus won't be scummy if magus flips scum, because it's too hard to reasonably be a bus).

What I was saying about Parsel is that his recent play has mostly looked pretty good to me, and my earlier suspicions of him regarding the magus unvote have been dispelled. However, the way he rebutted you by mentioning stuff that happened after your post, and then saying "you should have taken that into account" seems like a misrep to me; a casual reader may not realise how old your post was, and think you ignored a lot of content when you actually didn't. It's not enough to overcome his recent play, which is why he's not on my scumlist.

I see that you think urist is tunneling, but do you think he's just an eager townie, or scum trying to push a possible mislynch?

[Ochako Uraraka]

Scumpoint Table:

Bogeto Bogeto: 5 (1)

IllusioMago: 3

Urist McDwarf: 6 (3)

Parseltongue: 4 (2)

Possible Scum:

Viking

Gonzou Azai

Grape Soda

The fact is, Dwarf, that you have not rebutted my attacks. I don't see any relevant or strong attacks from you either. If there were particularly strong or threatening attacks, I would defend myself, but there's no need to right now. Town is not blind and can see for themselves how weak (or strong if you want to play that game) your case is.

Your only case is my overaggressiveness and the fact that I'm not defending myself. You're not addressing what others have said in your attempts to tunnel me. What about my attacks on you as well? You've not addressed them, apart from that comment on Grape Soda.

Parseltongue, you're a hypocrite because you said you were sure I would tunnel on you and that was bad but you later on admitted to tunneling on me.

Also, those two tunnelers are uncooperative, because they refuse to look at facts and scumhunt in favour of focusing all discussion towards a particular few players.

[Aizen]

Scumpoint Table:

Bogeto Bogeto: 5 (1)

IllusioMago: 3

Urist McDwarf: 6 (3)

Parseltongue: 4 (2)

Possible Scum:

Viking

Gonzou Azai

Grape Soda

The fact is, Dwarf, that you have not rebutted my attacks. I don't see any relevant or strong attacks from you either. If there were particularly strong or threatening attacks, I would defend myself, but there's no need to right now. Town is not blind and can see for themselves how weak (or strong if you want to play that game) your case is.

Your only case is my overaggressiveness and the fact that I'm not defending myself. You're not addressing what others have said in your attempts to tunnel me. What about my attacks on you as well? You've not addressed them, apart from that comment on Grape Soda.

DIDN'T READ THE THREAD

DIDN'T READ THE THREAD

DIDN'T READ THE THREAD

Way to go, Magus

[Ochako Uraraka]

Go back and read your own posts, Dwarf. Posts that, might I say, are horrendously difficult to comprehend.

Tell me that you have any other points apart from what I've mentioned. Quote it as well. I don't believe I've missed anything. Town can be my witness as well since they've all read all of your posts.

[Ochako Uraraka]

Actually, eh.

##Unvote

##Vote: Urist McDwarf

I'm more suspicious of him than Illusio, but they're both pretty scummy to me. I also remember there being another post addressed to me earlier that I haven't responded to yet; I'll do that in a moment. I'm a little tied up right now.

Posts a bad post. The conveniently suspicious person rags on him for it. LOL JUST KIDDING, I'M GOING TO BACKTRACK THE FUCK OUT OF MY POST AND CLAIM IT WAS ONLY A REACTION TEST AND SUBTLY PUSH A MISLYNCH

##Unvote

##Vote: Bogeto Bogeto

You're cute.

Anyway, despite Bogeto's play, I feel slightly more uncomfortable with Grape Soda (read above post) and I still feel that Illusio is scum.

##Unvote

##Vote: IllusioMagus

Haven't forgotten my Dwarf suspicion, though.

Parseltongue, see how you've flipped your views. There wasn't even strong reasons behind them. You switched your vote to me after I pointed out your active lurky posts. Explain your active lurky posts. Did you find me scum just because I pointed out your active lurky posts?

[Aizen]

@Magus: I didn't like how you were blasting Parsel for not answering some fairly pointless questions, for one. Questions like "Are you scum?" I would see as a bit of a joke. I did touch on the content of the exchange (specifically how I disliked Parsel's insult-slinging), so that reason is invalid.

Furthermore, it is kind of ridiculous how paranoid you are about GrapeSoda being the potential scumbuddy of anyone who mentions him or is mentioned by him.

Speaking of which, Magus really can't seem to focus on one player, can he? As soon as he votes one player, he's already attacking another and throwing around his vote. I would rather he stick to his guns with his vote rather then give an unwarranted reaction to every single new post. I'm not saying he can only attack one person, but he's dropping suspicion like an Apple fanboy does old iToys for the Next Big Thing.

Scumtells are such for a reason, you do realize. Magus has been voting for flimsy or superfluous reasons and dropping his votes just as quickly.

Aggression is indeed not a reason for voting, but it is when you're not giving very good reasons to vote while doing so, and switching them often.

Furthermore I have an actual case on you that I addressed as soon as I voted you and have continued to address, while at the same time defended myself from opposite thinking.

You continue to attack me after I voted you, and you STILL have yet to defend against any reasoning I have put forth against you.

Which one looks more like OMGUS?

Why don't you defend yourself with your own words instead of relying on others. Didn't you accuse GrapeSoda of buddying me for doing the same thing?

Holy cow do you even read your own posts? You're accusing me of slip ups here when you can't even defend yourself

And holy balls, you are STILL sidestepping any sort of accusation I throw at you.

##Kill It With Fire: IllusioMagis

To be honest, I'm only pointing out slip ups for the sake of defending Magus's constant attacks on me. Why is everyone ignoring the REAL point I have here? Magus has not responded to a single thing I have said about him, instead opting to attack me further with each new post he makes. His only defense so far is the incredibly vauge and nonspecific claim that "other people have defended his posts for him". He's barely so much as acknowledged that I have been trying to push a lynch for him.

Magus is scum who can't defend himself because he's scummy, and the only way he can defend himself is to try and make me look worse then him. Obviously the town is naive enough to fall for this, because everyone here is ignoring my case on him and voting me.

It's especially bad Magus doesn't even acknowledge my own defense. Whenever I turn something around on him or point out his error, he just ignores it and finds something else to nitpick at.

For a good example, look at #140-#145. He attacks me for not responding to Gatsby and comments he's above defending himself because others have done it for him. Not only do I correct him, telling him to check the post where I DID respond to gatsby, I also retaliate by pointing out his contraction with the latter statement.

His response is to call the retaliation a "slip up", without even making it apparent he read the post I asked him to read.

NO.

Stop being haughty. Just because you only have three votes on you does not entitle you to ignore my case and invalidate it because it has little support. You are avoiding my questions, avoiding my attacks, and pretending the votes on you do not exist. That is a major scumtell in itself. If you cannot come up with reasons why my case on you is not a case on scum, then that only makes you MORE scummy then before.

Does Magus even have a single valid, solid reason to be voting me? Literally everything he has posted about me I have debunked, and he has not once made any rebuttals to said defense.

Go ahead, read. His last two posts that mention me don't even give a specific reason to vote me, he just calls me scummy.

[Aizen]

Also if you want to read my defense, try looking at your posts that mention me, then SCROLLING DOWN

[Ochako Uraraka]

Basically, your main point is I'm too aggressive and I do not respond or address your defences. The main bulk of your argument is just more elaboration on why I'm too aggressive.

A few thousand pages or posts of elaboration for a point does not make that one point equivalent to a few thousand points.

I don't see the multitude or magnitude of your points, and I have quoted another post that you failed to address, that aggression is not a scumtell.

Rebut this with something I can actually rebut please, or stop wasting town's time with your weak points.

[Ochako Uraraka]

You sound like an overeager kid who's so excited about what he's doing that he loses all his rationality.

[Aizen]

Basically, your main point is I'm too aggressive and I do not respond or address your defences. The main bulk of your argument is just more elaboration on why I'm too aggressive.

A few thousand pages or posts of elaboration for a point does not make that one point equivalent to a few thousand points.

I don't see the multitude or magnitude of your points, and I have quoted another post that you failed to address, that aggression is not a scumtell.

Rebut this with something I can actually rebut please, or stop wasting town's time with your weak points.

You have oversimplified my entire case, sidestepped it, and still do not have a single reason to be voting me, aside from OMGUS

[Ochako Uraraka]

I really can't read and comprehend Gonzou's and Dwarf's posts... I think it could be my head or something.

In particular, I dislike how Dwarf is constantly attacking players for being aggressive. Read earlier when he attacked Parseltongue for being aggressive.

##Vote: Urist McDwarf

I'm placing my vote back on you because I do not like your answer to my question (recall that my vote was initially on you for this question).

I'm going to wait for Gonzai's response on the fact that he tore my post completely out of context and attacked me with it before I think about whether he might be scum or not.

Read.

[Ochako Uraraka]

And your vote on me happened in response to my earlier vote on you. You are the one attempting OMGUS.

[Rain Nijika]

illusio, tbf to urist, you're misrepping his case a lot. his case isn't just that you're being aggressive. it's also that you keep changing your mind rather rapidly. in fact his case against you is pretty much the same case you just made against parseltongue. that and the fact that you're not answering directly to his questions, which you yourself said was scummy. you unvoted bogeto because he was able to answer directly to a simple question like "are you scum", but you're refusing to accept urist's case which is based on similar grounds, that you're not answering directly. this hypocrisy is kind of bothering me actually

redmage, the difference there is that while the posts i'm attacking bogeto for are old, they're HIS newest posts, whereas he was addressing the old posts of people who'd made several newer ones since.

[Rain Nijika]

upon reread and some of the last few posts that illusio has made, i've changed my opinion about the illusio/urist faceoff (see my post above). i think illusio is looking worse than urist right now actually, although i'd still prefer a bogeto lynch.

[Shiki Ryougi]

To be honest, I'm only pointing out slip ups for the sake of defending Magus's constant attacks on me. Why is everyone ignoring the REAL point I have here? Magus has not responded to a single thing I have said about him, instead opting to attack me further with each new post he makes. His only defense so far is the incredibly vauge and nonspecific claim that "other people have defended his posts for him". He's barely so much as acknowledged that I have been trying to push a lynch for him.

Magus is scum who can't defend himself because he's scummy, and the only way he can defend himself is to try and make me look worse then him. Obviously the town is naive enough to fall for this, because everyone here is ignoring my case on him and voting me.

Obviously the town has not fallen for this, Illusio doesn't have a case agaisnt you (he's jumping around more than focusing on a single person), and most people voting you are doing so for other reasons. Stop the drama please.

I also think that Scumhunter and Storm are very clearly buddying Magus by defending him and voting me.

Because this is actually how buddying works, now "oh shit player X mentioned player Y they must be scumbuddies"

This is obviously a bad generalization of my vote. So defending Magus makes me scum? So I and Storm are scumbuddying Magus because we're voting you? I gave a good reason saying why I think you're opportunistically picking on Magus.

Your current reason for voting me completely ignores my casework on convicting IllusioMagus as scum.

stop please, you're doing basically the same thing everyone was doing to Magus, the only thing that's different is that you're picking on him further. You're not convicting him as scum just from his slips.

it's becoming even more dramatic.

Stating something else again for clarification: The one thing that irks me about Bogeto isn't so much the shifty roleclaim (although I'm not fond of the way he claimed after three votes on him and he didn't do it in a direct manner), but that he still isn't voting for anyone. It makes it seem more and more like his first post actually wasn't a reaction test, because if it were he would at least be voting for me (for my reaction towards his post) or for Illusio or something but he's still sitting there with no vote.

... When did Bogeto roleclaim?

While normally I would agree with this, it is wrong because he is attacking me over a single part of my scumhunting, in which I defend myself by turning around his accusations of "scumslipping" while ignoring the part where I mention Magus is avoiding my questions and accusations of scumtells.

What kind of answer do you want from him? "I'm sorry you think the way I play is scummy but that's how I play anyway and I think I'm helping so I don't have any excuses"?

[Aizen]

Magus is scum who can't defend himself because he's scummy, and the only way he can defend himself is to try and make me look worse then him.

Magus is scum who can't defend himself because he's scummy, and the only way he can defend himself is to try and make me look worse then him.

Magus is scum who can't defend himself because he's scummy, and the only way he can defend himself is to try and make me look worse then him.

In particular, I dislike how Dwarf is constantly attacking players for being aggressive. Read earlier when he attacked Parseltongue for being aggressive.

Overagression is what you have been doing the whole game. Wild mass finger pointing and pushing around your vote with wild abandon. The inflated paranoia does not help things any.

Hyperdefense is when Parsel wwas spending all his time defending without doing any scumhunting, which did not turn out to be the case (mostly because there was little else to comment on in the first place)

And your vote on me happened in response to my earlier vote on you. You are the one attempting OMGUS.

Furthermore I have an actual case on you that I addressed as soon as I voted you and have continued to address, while at the same time defended myself from opposite thinking.

You continue to attack me after I voted you, and you STILL have yet to defend against any reasoning I have put forth against you.

Which one looks more like OMGUS?

DIDN'T READ THE THREAD

DIDN'T READ THE THREAD

DIDN'T READ THE THREAD

[Aizen]

I like how Scumhunter X basically admits that Magus has nothing on me, but then continues to defend him despite how outrageously scummy he is.

[Rain Nijika]

@scumhunter- bogeto said that he was a "regular townie" which kinda softclaimed vanilla. also i'm not sure what your opinions about illusio are. the first part of the post seems to be critical of how he's jumping around but you also think that urist is scummy, so do you think that illusio is town or what?

[Shiki Ryougi]

I like how Scumhunter X basically admits that Magus has nothing on me, but then continues to defend him despite how outrageously scummy he is.

If he's got nothing on you as you say, then how can you say he's trying to make you look worse than him as an act of defense? You're being dramatic again.

YOU are the one trying to make him look worse than you. Your case agaisnt him is basically how he used to jump around voting people for the slightest things and over-agressiveness, like everyone said. Except you decided to tunnel him. After he made enough slips, you determined he was an easy lynch and voted him. Who's trying to look worse than who?

@scumhunter- bogeto said that he was a "regular townie" which kinda softclaimed vanilla. also i'm not sure what your opinions about illusio are. the first part of the post seems to be critical of how he's jumping around but you also think that urist is scummy, so do you think that illusio is town or what?

Uh, I told you before I think Illusio is a town newbie trying to be helpful but he's slipping a lot and doing it wrong, hence why he looks scummy imo.

[Aizen]

I remember a time when players didn't give scum a free pass for being scummy for the excuse of "being bad at Mafia"

Magus has been on my case since he's voted me, and I've debunked and turned around every single accusation he's thrown at me, while he's been firing around weak suspicion at everyone else.

The difference between me and him is that I have reasons why he is scummy, and he doesn't have the vice versa.

[Aizen]

PROTIP: Newbies have the same exact chance of being scum as everybody else!