Rapier Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 IIRC, sho was pushing for a Nightmare lynch, he may have switched to make himself look good(I am talking about completely hypothetical situations here with no real basis whatsoever) Obviously. Sho isn't stupid. >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Obviously. Sho isn't stupid. >_> indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Obviously. Sho isn't stupid. >_> Its nice to see people start to realize Im not the moron I seems to be on the first look ;/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Just taking note of your actions at the beginning. You added that vote on to Eclipse, then once I voted for Rapier you hopped on to that in a time span of less than 10 minutes. But then after just one post from Rapier, iirc, you unvoted. The fact that you didn't really seem to be doing much of your own scum hunting or pressuring seems noteworthy. I added the vote onto Eclipse because I thought it would be the right amount of votes for her to possibly freak out if she was mafia, but she probably wouldn't be bothered too much if she was town. I wanted to unvote pretty quickly because too many other people apparently had the same idea, and there was a risk that she might claim unnecessarily or something since there were so many votes. I unvoted Rapier because he made sense. It was a reaction test. He reacted appropriately. That's all scumhunting from my point of view, Strawman. If it looked like sheeping to you, well, what's more intimidating, one random vote, or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 You're right about the last part. However, I don't see how there's nothing that ties those two actions together. That would be like saying everyone who votes for the same person is on the same faction because they all voted for the same person. Its like saying that everyone who voted and caused a mislynch is mafia. Or just because two people voted for the same person means they are on the same team. You could always say that it has the possibility to be true and it seems to be logical, but its a generalization that tries to tie two things together without taking everything into account. Not to mention you are also just automatically assuming that the reason Sho is saying he wants to lynch Nightmare isn't actually why he wants to lynch him. IIRC, Sho wants to lynch Nightmare because he thinks it will give us information on the faction of the persuader. Not the best reason for sure, but I don't see how you can automatically discredit this and say he is voting Nightmare because he is mafia and then somehow tie that in with being the persuader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Oh right ##Unvote there are way too many votes on 13th to care also, I want to see if Nightmare goes inactive after this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I added the vote onto Eclipse because I thought it would be the right amount of votes for her to possibly freak out if she was mafia, but she probably wouldn't be bothered too much if she was town. I wanted to unvote pretty quickly because too many other people apparently had the same idea, and there was a risk that she might claim unnecessarily or something since there were so many votes. I unvoted Rapier because he made sense. It was a reaction test. He reacted appropriately. That's all scumhunting from my point of view, Strawman. If it looked like sheeping to you, well, what's more intimidating, one random vote, or two? Two. But I wonder why you seem to be taking so much offense to this. It was a note on a whole list of thoughts on all of the players in this game. Your reasoning makes sense and, now that I look back, your votes did help get Eclipse and Rapier to talk. (Rapier more so than Eclipse) However, you are making this into a much larger deal than it needs to be imo. I hardly accused you of anything so your reaction is definitely interesting, to say the least. Also, my gut it telling me to ##Unvote There's just something about 13th that, as ridiculous as he is being, doesn't say mafia to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Also, my gut it telling me to ##Unvote There's just something about 13th that, as ridiculous as he is being, doesn't say mafia to me. i think its called his scumbuddies would make sure he don't say all he has said so who are we going to lynch if we leave 13th alive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I think I would like to push Shinori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I think I would like to push Shinori i could give him some pressure i suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I think I would like to push Shinori Shinori is busy and this is the New Year, it's pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 We have like 14-ish hours left int he phase right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I believe you are right Straw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Well,does anyone else suggest on pushing someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Nighty perhaps. he IS awfully silent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 He gave up talking after I removed my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 SUMMARY PART THE NEXT: Page 9: Stupid lurking whatever. Strawman corrects votals. Nightmare is my hero. Two points by Core. Iris explains lurking logic and how Nightmare doesn't seem to be doing that, and updates votals. 13th wonders if Iris has a post restriction. Blitz just wants Nightmare to post. Sho is on his way home, so can't really converse. Nightmare facepalms in Blitz's direction. Rapier asks what hashtags are. Iris explains the votal format and says that she's annoyed by Blitz's lack of hashtags. Core defines hashtags. Iris is ninja'd. Rein unvotes me, then feels that Blitz is being far too hasty, and that not everyone's gonna be active immediately. Blitz insists that Nightmare is different. Rein facepalms at Blitz's logic. Page 10: Questions from Rapier. I think the brackets are nice, scold Rein for transparent text, and give thoughts about 13th, Bizz, Shinori, and Sho, and that most of the substance in the game was the vote on me. Core's logic on sheeping. 13th is doing his best to be not as random, and doesn't feel like moving his vote on Rein. Bizz is having problems reading people due to the number of posts. Iris points out that Blitz has nearly triple the number of posts as the next person, not all of which contain logic, doesn't think post restrictions exist, and updates votals. Bizz thinks the post restriction discussion is a waste of time. Can't really summarize this without context (Rapier). 13th says all he can do is be random, since he has nothing else to go off on. Rapier brings up post restrictions again. Bizz wants all post restriction discussion to cease, and I agree. Rapier wants a response. 13th points to a previous quote as his explanation. Bizz votes 13th, and promises to give a reason later. 13th dislikes the lack of justification. Page 11: Sho's home, and gives his thoughts of a couple of players. HOST INTERRUPT. Core and sheeping, again. Sho thinks that there might be a sniper around. 13th is confused, and I tell Sho to STFU about CM4. Sho doesn't listen. 13th posts some questions. Rein thinks Sho's contradicting himself. Page 12: Sho thinks that if there are midday abilities, there'd probably be more than persuasion. Core hates surveys, but answers it. 13th answers his own questions, then votes Blitz for being erratic. Sho answers the survey, and thinks that maybe Rein hasn't been persuaded, and that it's an announcer. Logic by 13th. Rein agrees with Sho's only post on this page, then answers the questions. Core thinks Sho's theory is "a bit too far-fetched". I answer the questions, then ask for people to sober up and post. 13th attempts to defend himself. Sho asks Core why that idea is far-fetched. Core points out that Proto's a mod, and that Blitz has gone quiet. 13th doesn't really acknowledge his mistake, and votes for Blitz instead. Nightmare answers the questions (and quotes me. . .tee-hee~!) Blitz catches an error in my post. I think Nightmare is useful. Why must you be so hard to summarize, Core? Page 13: Rapier answers the questions. Nightmare votes for Blitz. Sho wants to kill Nightmare to learn about the persuader's motives. I think it's a bad idea. Rapier thinks the persuader chose Nightmare to incriminate Blitz. Core mentions that past persuaders claim to look town-aligned, and that no one cares if the persuader dies at night. Rapier says that the persuader probably doesn't know anything about Nightmare. Sho thinks the persuader might be mafia. I say that we don't know jack about the persuader ATM. Blitz covers a bunch of persuader scenarios. Bizz considers taking notes. PARSE FAIL. Rapier posts a bunch of persuader scenarios, and asks if Blitz voted for Nightmare. I say yes, and Rapier votes for Blitz for being non-contributory, as well as trying to get a contributory member lynched. Bizz isn't sure if she likes the Blitz wagon. Page 14: Rapier facepalms at Bizz. Bizz still isn't happy. Core thinks that Blitz is acting funny. Rapier thinks that Blitz will point the way to the next lynch target, so why not lynch him? 13th asks for reasons why people are voting for Blitz. Logic by Sho. Bizz's head spins, but she outlines her reasons here. I threaten to summarize. Sho is interested in my summary. More content by 13th in this post than most of what he's said so far. Iris isn't happy with the Blitz wagon, wants to hear Rapier's reasons, answers the questions, and is interested in a summary. JB posts more content in this post than Blitz has the entire game. No, 13th, that's not how to do a log. Core thinks that Blitz is far less active, but that could be because he's asleep. Page 15: 13th admits to not reading things fully, and thinks that pressuring Rein is a waste of time, since he never talks. Core thinks that Rapier and 13th aren't really coherent, but not necessarily scummy. Sho doesn't like JB's logic and votes for him. JB thinks Sho missed the point. Bizz thinks JB is town. Sho thinks that bandwagoning is a good thing on D1, to get people to talk, and that JB pointing out a one-person bandwagon is derailing the town. Read this, everyone (Bizz). 13th facepalm claim (persuader). Bizz facepalms. Sho unvotes JB and votes 13th, saying that things don't match up. Bizz says she's never seen a town-sided persuader before (A/N: Unicycle, Ivalice and FE4 Mafia featured them). Iris facepalms. 13th goes emo. Sho thinks 13th is town and freaking out. Bizz thinks 13th should get a sub. 13th continues whining about NOC. Iris asks why 13th is giving up after two votes. I'm taking a break. My head hurts. I'll continue this after it stops hurting. 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Blitz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I'm taking a break. My head hurts. I'll continue this after it stops hurting. great reason to be inactive Eclipse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Sorry was out and all. So im back. Not voting 13th does seem like a smart idea to me. Sho seems town to me. Do you think 13th is town/mafia/fool? Town. Do you think 13th is the Persuader? Yes, Why he caused all of the earlier issues confuses me but maybe he was a fool/persuader to be lynched day one, he could have persuaded someone to vote for him would would have made it easier. If not, who do you think is the Persuader? I think 13th is. Who do you think is most suspicious now? Forme im suspicious of rapier. If it's 13th, who do you think is next most suspicious? Rapier for me, not 13th, im pretty sure he's garunteed town. Who do you think is least suspicious? I think sho and 13th are the two least suspicious actually. Do you think there is a Sniper? No. List everyone in order of how likely they are to be town-aligned. 1: Me 2: 13th 3: Sho 4: Kay 5: Iris 6: JBWCK 7: Strawman 8: Eclipse 9: Bizz 10: Rein 11: Blitz 12: Core 13: Nightmare 14: Rapier Why don't we have reasonings for how we think people are placed on these rankings for the questions by the way? Would it be better to add in reasonings for why you think someone is town or mafia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I still think lynching 13th is our best choice. If we're wrong and he's town, then we lose an uninvested persuader who made himself seem very scummy. Lynching 13th gives as much info as lynching Nighty, and I think 13th is more likely to be mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Holy mother of heck, how do you generate 4 pages while I'm at church. Let me start reading. Just letting you know I'm back for a while. To work at reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 13th, do me a huge favor and think before posting. A nameless someone talked me out of downing alcohol. I'll get back to summarizing things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Yes, clipsey. Realize I am doing a massive reply-spam to things I want to reply to. Sounds reasonable to me. I still think he's likely to be town, but it's not like we have any great leads. Still, we should use as much of the day as possible. Nightmare, get in here and have an actual opinion. Also, off-topic, but 13th, you're a valuable player because A) You sign up for games. IMO the biggest problem with mafia on SF is that it's really hard to get people to play. Not the skill level like people say occasionally. If we keep losing players, pretty soon we won't be able to start any games at all, and it won't matter how incredibly smart anyone is. And B) Despite what that seems to imply, you're not just a name on a player list, either. You actually post, and unlike a few people, you learn from your mistakes. Pretty fast, too. Also, I'd really say you're better at NOC than OC, but that's just my opinion. I'm not that good a player. No matter what you say, I obviously don't learn that much from mistakes. And me being better at NOC is probably because of lack of OC games. Do you think 13th is town/mafia/fool? I think that I am town. My role PM says I am. Do you think 13th is the Persuader? I know I'm persuader. That much is true. If not, who do you think is the Persuader? Me. Who do you think is most suspicious now? Sho and Core are most suspicious to me. Sho because he is barely making sense on his nightmare vote thing from earlier, and Core for being kind of silent about some topics. If it's 13th, who do you think is next most suspicious? N/A Who do you think is least suspicious? Honestly, you. Do you think there is a Sniper? Not a chance. List everyone in order of how likely they are to be town-aligned. From a completely neutral standpoint, how I would think if someone else were doing my thing: 1: Kay 2: JBCWK 3: Eclipse 4: Shinori 5: Blitz 6: (Me) 7: Rapier 8: Core 9: Iris 10: Nightmare 11: Strawman 12: Bizz 13: Core 14: Sho There's a whole lot to talk about right now. Answers are in bold. And that was oddly few posts to answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 13th does sound like a demotivated person, he didn't even think much about my theory before voting on Sho... So yeah, I'm agaisnt voting him too. That would be like saying everyone who votes for the same person is on the same faction because they all voted for the same person. Its like saying that everyone who voted and caused a mislynch is mafia. Or just because two people voted for the same person means they are on the same team. You could always say that it has the possibility to be true and it seems to be logical, but its a generalization that tries to tie two things together without taking everything into account. Not to mention you are also just automatically assuming that the reason Sho is saying he wants to lynch Nightmare isn't actually why he wants to lynch him. IIRC, Sho wants to lynch Nightmare because he thinks it will give us information on the faction of the persuader. Not the best reason for sure, but I don't see how you can automatically discredit this and say he is voting Nightmare because he is mafia and then somehow tie that in with being the persuader. Of course not, I just pointed it out because he was the only one who tried to lynch Nightmare after the Persuader made Rein vote him. That's a crazy theory and I don't have any base yet, but I don't think Sho's stupid enough to believe that the Persuader knows something about Nightmare/he wants to lynch Nightmare to see what kind of Persuader we have here. His action looked like a move trying to put through our throat that we had to lynch Nighty, something -I, at least- found a bit too much FORCED. Now please don't counter me with "Sho wouldn't be stupid enough to be caught like that", because whether he's infact "that stupid" or not, only the facts will tell. Also, Shinori: Tell us why you think that 13th is the Persuader, why I'm suspicious to your eyes, why Sho's suspicious in your eyes, and why you think the 13th is Town... Because everyone could look at the last pages and just quote some of the thoughts without further exploring and thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 @13th You have my name on your list twice....and what am I being silent about? I'm trying to help as much as I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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