Kamen Rider Ryuuki Mafia - Game Over

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

Oh and one more. Considering all your early (before 13th claimed) very flawed logic, whining about mine is extremely hypocrite

[Rapier]

Your logic is quite flawed. let me count the ways.

- at the time I suggested Nighty lynch it would have given the most info. Yes it was the slightest info but others give less.

- I went on to lynching 13th WAY before you guys started picking on me

- Of course I suggest pressuring silent ones. Its the sanest thing ever.

- Sigh I haven't actively drived a nighty lynch after 13th claimed

- You don't get/ignore my point. Thats why it looks so stupid

- Hey look you even admit this kind of behavier is expected from me as townie. Why are you so insisting about me being scum again?

1 - So you still suggest that sacrificing a potentially good Town is the best course of reaction to a random/planned persuasion that wouldn't lead us anywhere...

2 - He claimed, that's why. Your logic was to lynch Nighty to learn about the persuader, so lynching the persuader himself after he claimed was the sanest thing to do in your case.

3 - Picking on someone's gameplay is the easiest way to accuse them of being scummy... Well, that could or couldn't be, so I won't comment on that.

4 - Read 2.

5 - How so?

6 - Because... Meh. "He's always like that, give him a break" isn't a nice justification, and I've got no other leads, soo... And in 13th's case, I was referring to his personality rather than his gameplay tactics, the last is your case.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

1 - So you still suggest that sacrificing a potentially good Town is the best course of reaction to a random/planned persuasion that wouldn't lead us anywhere...

sigh.

Little lesson about D1:

- Its is extremely stubid to not lynch because it helps scums.

- Someone has to be lynched and in 19 cases out of 20, there is no strong leads.

- The likehood of killing a scum is rather slim no matter what you do.

- Anyone can be potentially good town player.

- Sanest course of action is kill that theaches us the most.

Killing Nighty might teach us more about persuader or it might not. Slight lead? Yep very slight. But still better than nothing.

2 - He claimed, that's why. Your logic was to lynch Nighty to learn about the persuader, so lynching the persuader himself after he claimed was the sanest thing to do in your case.

it was indeed the sanest thing to do regardless of my side. This is just as scummy as its towny

3 - Picking on someone's gameplay is the easiest way to accuse them of being scummy... Well, that could or couldn't be, so I won't comment on that.

The amount of hypocrisity right here is so great Im tempted to ignore my bet all together. And still my action of picking on silent is towny.

4 - Read 2.

was not scummy in 2, is not scummy here either

5 - How so?

You keep suggesting everything I do is scummy when its the same as I am in every game. Funny thing is I have been town just about every time

6 - Because... Meh. "He's always like that, give him a break" isn't a nice justification, and I've got no other leads, soo... And in 13th's case, I was referring to his personality rather than his gameplay tactics, the last is your case.

Whatever dude.

[Kaoz]

You keep suggesting everything I do is scummy when its the same as I am in every game. Funny thing is I have been town just about every time

Have you ever been mafia actually? If not, metagaming is even more useless than normal because we have no idea how you'd play as mafia and whether it'd be different from when you're town... just saying.

[13th]

1. D4V3 (Rein): Still too quiet for my taste, but he has a habit of popping in with useful info.

2. JB: I still think he's more town, even with his lack of posts. What he's said made me think of town.

3. eclipse: She seems more town than others.

4. Core: The one I can't decide where to put him. One post he seems scum, the next he seems town. Investigator target?

5. Bizz: She's quiet, but its due to life.

6. Shinori Kaoz: Kaoz, I haven't seen you play enough. You are currently the exact center of the list.

7. Nightmare: The quiet one. But with good info it seems. Mafia? Town? We'll see. Also

- 13th strikes me as a flustered and amateurish town (no offence to you here) more than scum. Maybe this is just me, but I'm going to repeat something I've said before in this thread: in FE4 mafia (even though it allegedly sucked), he was somewhat acting the same (except less worse; no claiming all over the place, but instead, he suspected the whole board of being mafia), until Kaoz took over. I could tell from Kaoz's play style that 13th had a town role, he was just inept at being a townie. So yeah, I'm not going to judge him as scum for the time being.

Someone understands the situation.

8. Kay: Honestly, she strikes me as town, despite how little she has said.

9. Rapier: Another tough case. Pretty scummy, in retrospect

11. Iris: Helpful, but not really showing THAT MUCH help for the discussion

12. Strawman: Strawman is like others. Quiet, but has been helpful.

13. 13th: Hi there. I'm Town.

14. Sho: Sho is obnoxious. But he is also striking me scummy.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

Have you ever been mafia actually? If not, metagaming is even more useless than normal because we have no idea how you'd play as mafia and whether it'd be different from when you're town... just saying.

i was once. had to sub d1

[Rapier]

sigh.

Little lesson about D1:

- Its is extremely stubid to not lynch because it helps scums.

- Someone has to be lynched and in 19 cases out of 20, there is no strong leads.

- The likehood of killing a scum is rather slim no matter what you do.

- Anyone can be potentially good town player.

- Sanest course of action is kill that theaches us the most.

Killing Nighty might teach us more about persuader or it might not. Slight lead? Yep very slight. But still better than nothing.

Except you wouldn't get anything from lynching Nighty.

it was indeed the sanest thing to do regardless of my side. This is just as scummy as its towny

That answer would've work if this weren't following what I said on 1.

The amount of hypocrisity right here is so great Im tempted to ignore my bet all together. And still my action of picking on silent is towny.

Just pointing out, dude.

You keep suggesting everything I do is scummy when its the same as I am in every game. Funny thing is I have been town just about every time

Even so, I've got to point oddities... Well, the others have played with you more than I did, so I guess they know better if you really like to bet on pointless or risky things.

Your behavior is odd, and odd is your behavior. ARGH THIS IS MINDFUCKING ME, HOW CAN'T I PICK ON SOMEONE IF HIS EXCUSE IS "I'M LIKE THAT"?! I give up, it's pointless to continue.

[Rapier]

4. Core: The one I can't decide where to put him. One post he seems scum, the next he seems town. Investigator target?

Lol @ Core being suspicious in your eyes, yet you put him near the top... Besides, who is to say that Iris hasn't a life? Some are more dedicated to this game than others (Clipsey... Meh, how's someone able to do a good job while drunk? *claps*), and maybe that's also Strawman's case, and all the others who you say are inactive's case. Nightmare knows well about what's happening on the game, so that's not his case (I'm not saying he doesn't have a life, lol).

Also, it's kinda hard to judge by lack of posts because people are still celebrating the New Year + Timezones.

Why am I scummy, anyway? People have said this over and over but I never got it. >:

[13th]

Lol @ Core being suspicious in your eyes, yet you put him near the top... Besides, who is to say that Iris hasn't a life? Some are more dedicated to this game than others (Clipsey... Meh, how's someone able to do a good job while drunk? *claps*), and maybe that's also Strawman's case, and all the others who you say are inactive's case. Nightmare knows well about what's happening on the game, so that's not his case (I'm not saying he doesn't have a life, lol).

Also, it's kinda hard to judge by lack of posts because people are still celebrating the New Year + Timezones.

Why am I scummy, anyway? People have said this over and over but I never got it. >:

Didn't organize it by scumminess this time. Its just player order on the OP.

And yes. Timezones.

But you come across as Scummy due to reasons involving one thing mainly. You have been arguing about the Lynch Nighty thing for almost 15 pages now. You haven't really focused on anything else. Its as if you're told to argue about it by another person.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

Except you wouldn't get anything from lynching Nighty.

I have said this gazillion times already.

Nighty is mafia:

- Nighty was scam and persuader is most likely scum because lucky hit on scum from town persuader is unlikely. Persuader picked him to make him look cleaner.

Nighty is town:

- persuade was random because regardless of his side, persuader had no info about Nighty

If we lynch any other player with the info we had at the moment and turns out mafia:

- S/he was scum

If we lynch any other player with the info we had at the moment and turns out town:

- S/he was town

As you may see, it would heve told us a slightest bit of info more than other lynches with the info we had at the time I suggested the lynch

[Rapier]

Didn't organize it by scumminess this time. Its just player order on the OP.

And yes. Timezones.

But you come across as Scummy due to reasons involving one thing mainly. You have been arguing about the Lynch Nighty thing for almost 15 pages now. You haven't really focused on anything else. Its as if you're told to argue about it by another person.

Oh, lol.

I have done it because it's the only lead I've got. We had only three possibilities: Lynch you to know if you're Mafia, Fool, or something else; Lynch Blitz because he's random; or lynch Sho because he was insisting on voting Nightmare with lulzy reasons for quite some time. I chose to vote a more active person because manipulating and participating is for pros, and Sho seemed to have a game while you two weren't really doing anything.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

you know what rapier. Give me even one better lynch target than nighty only using the info from time before 13th's claim. I give you a dog treat if you can do it

[Rapier]

you know what rapier. Give me even one better lynch target than nighty only using the info from time before 13th's claim. I give you a dog treat if you can do it

You know, that's a fallacy. No one thinks the same way otherwise you'd think you're scummy, and thus would vote yourself.

[13th]

you know what rapier. Give me even one better lynch target than nighty only using the info from time before 13th's claim. I give you a dog treat if you can do it

I can answer this. Rein, for the lack of info he gives concerning why we shouldn't lynch him.

And if all goes as eclipse is planning, I die to a Vig shot tonight anyways.

Sho is worth working on, yes, but try and find something new to use on him. We aren't getting anywhere with this.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

fallacy ?

oh please.

YOUR ARGUMENT AGAINST ME IS THAT MY NIGHTY LYNCH IS UNREASONABLE! I DEMAND PROOF THAT IT INDEED WAS AT THAT POINT OF GAME UNREASONABLE. ANSWER NOW! DONT GIVE ME THIS NO ONE THINKS LIKE THAT BULLCRAP! EVEN SO UNLESS THEY CAN PROOF THERE WAS EVEN ONE MORE REASONBALE LYNCH TARGET THAN NIGHTY AT THAT POINT, YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT AGAINST ME IS UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY INVALID. and you know what that means? Its you who is pulling unfit reasons and is the scummy. You are the one that should be lynched for scummy and unreasonable lynches.

@13th

while your point towards rein is correct, exact same thing can be said of nighty. In other words nighty is still more reasonable.

[Kaoz]

Domu, Sho, you're going in circles, so be quiet.

How about you make yourself useful and give us your thoughts on other players?

[13th]

fallacy ?

oh please.

YOUR ARGUMENT AGAINST ME IS THAT MY NIGHTY LYNCH IS UNREASONABLE! I DEMAND PROOF THAT IT INDEED WAS AT THAT POINT OF GAME UNREASONABLE. ANSWER NOW! DONT GIVE ME THIS NO ONE THINKS LIKE THAT BULLCRAP! EVEN SO UNLESS THEY CAN PROOF THERE WAS EVEN ONE MORE REASONBALE LYNCH TARGET THAN NIGHTY AT THAT POINT, YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT AGAINST ME IS UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY INVALID. and you know what that means? Its you who is pulling unfit reasons and is the scummy. You are the one that should be lynched for scummy and unreasonable lynches.

@13th

while your point towards rein is correct, exact same thing can be said of nighty. In other words nighty is still more reasonable.

...Breakdown time.

YOUR ARGUMENT AGAINST ME IS THAT MY NIGHTY LYNCH IS UNREASONABLE! I DEMAND PROOF THAT IT INDEED WAS AT THAT POINT OF GAME UNREASONABLE. ANSWER NOW! DONT GIVE ME THIS NO ONE THINKS LIKE THAT BULLCRAP! EVEN SO UNLESS THEY CAN PROOF THERE WAS EVEN ONE MORE REASONBALE LYNCH TARGET THAN NIGHTY AT THAT POINT, YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT AGAINST ME IS UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY INVALID. and you know what that means? Its you who is pulling unfit reasons and is the scummy. You are the one that should be lynched for scummy and unreasonable lynches.

Turns into...

1: YOUR ARGUMENT AGAINST ME IS THAT MY NIGHTY LYNCH IS UNREASONABLE!

2: I DEMAND PROOF THAT IT INDEED WAS AT THAT POINT OF GAME UNREASONABLE.

3: ANSWER NOW! DONT GIVE ME THIS NO ONE THINKS LIKE THAT BULLCRAP!

4: EVEN SO UNLESS THEY CAN PROOF THERE WAS EVEN ONE MORE REASONBALE LYNCH TARGET THAN NIGHTY AT THAT POINT, YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT AGAINST ME IS UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY INVALID.

5: and you know what that means? Its you who is pulling unfit reasons and is the scummy.

6: You are the one that should be lynched for scummy and unreasonable lynches.

1: I don't see why you find it so reasonable. It seems very unreasonable to me. You had Rein, who was silent and/or laughing behind his screen, you had Blitz, who hadn't made much sense, and you had you, with your crazy Nightmare-Lynch-Logic.

2: I can't provide proof to prove these, excpet for Rein silent and/or laughing at us because of his lack of many posts at that point.

3: No one thinks like that except you.

4: Proof=Prove, Rein, Blitz, you.

5: Except he is trying to help scumhunt.

6: Even so, its Night Phase. He may get shot yet.

[13th]

Domu, Sho, you're going in circles, so be quiet.

How about you make yourself useful and give us your thoughts on other players?

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS!

I will be back in an hour or two.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

I am not allowed to defend myself when Im been accused for being scum for gazillion pages? ##Vote Kaoz

Sure, thoughs...

1. D4V3 (Rein) - talk more

2. JB - Still not seeing how he is so magically townie. I dont like him asking question I answered twise during that very same page.

3. eclipse - Ignorant at the very least when it came to my points during the D1 lynch argue mess. Otherwise neutral

4. Core - I like him but Im biassed because he sees my points

5. Bizz - very usefull on day one

6. Shinori - Kaoz no opinion on aoz yet, shinori has life

7. Nightmare - talk talk talk talk

8. Kay towny - she seems

9. Rapier - trying to oprtunistically lynch me, keeps going bag to ancient things and calling them scummy for no proof derailing the lynch conversation to the point where we had only horrid lynch options and 13th. I sure wish it were day already so I could vote him.

11. Iris - votals and sense

12. Strawman - well arent I biassed when I said he makes sense

13. 13th - trolled the town of so greatly. Should have died D1 one

14. Sho - classic case of missunderstood genius.

I still demand answers rapier stand behind your words or admid your mistakes

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

1: I don't see why you find it so reasonable. It seems very unreasonable to me. You had Rein, who was silent and/or laughing behind his screen, you had Blitz, who hadn't made much sense, and you had you, with your crazy Nightmare-Lynch-Logic.

I have given my reasons. It might teach more than other lynches.

2: I can't provide proof to prove these, excpet for Rein silent and/or laughing at us because of his lack of many posts at that point.

as I have already said, Nighty was just as silent.

3: No one thinks like that except you.

because you claimed, they had no time to think it. I still demand proof.

4: Proof=Prove, Rein, Blitz, you.

2 persons as silent as nighty are not any better targets than nighty. I am not reasonable lynch target because of unreasonable lynch suggest unless you may prove it was unreasonable. You havent.

5: Except he is trying to help scumhunt.

Guess what I was trying to do with suggesting nighty lynch yet it is reasonable reason to lynch me. I am just using his own logic to break his hypocrisity

6: Even so, its Night Phase. He may get shot yet.

trying to dodge a bullet are we?

[13th]

I have given my reasons. It might teach more than other lynches.

as I have already said, Nighty was just as silent.

because you claimed, they had no time to think it. I still demand proof.

2 persons as silent as nighty are not any better targets than nighty. I am not reasonable lynch target because of unreasonable lynch suggest unless you may prove it was unreasonable. You havent.

Guess what I was trying to do with suggesting nighty lynch yet it is reasonable reason to lynch me. I am just using his own logic to break his hypocrisity

trying to dodge a bullet are we?

1: Any lynch will teach us something, and we wouldn't learn more about my reasons for who I picked because I don't have any person-based reasons. Its all based on what happens when and how.

2: Nightmare has been more helpful than Rein, honestly. Give me 1 post where Rein has been helpful before the persuader.

3: They had plenty of time to think. Persuader on page 10, me claiming page 15.

4: Blitz at that time was only silent due to timezone, I think. You were spouting bullcrap from the beginning.

5: You were only trying to scumhunt by killing Nighty, which would not have taught us a thing.

6: Of course. I want to live, you know.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

1: Any lynch will teach us something, and we wouldn't learn more about my reasons for who I picked because I don't have any person-based reasons. Its all based on what happens when and how.

2: Nightmare has been more helpful than Rein, honestly. Give me 1 post where Rein has been helpful before the persuader.

3: They had plenty of time to think. Persuader on page 10, me claiming page 15.

4: Blitz at that time was only silent due to timezone, I think. You were spouting bullcrap from the beginning.

5: You were only trying to scumhunt by killing Nighty, which would not have taught us a thing.

6: Of course. I want to live, you know.

1. As i have said, killing nighty could have taughed us slightly more.

2. Neither did jackshit. Nighty had that persuade thing on top of that. Nighty is better lynch target

3. Considering the genaral randomness and the rate of posts here, that is not saying much.

4. For the last time I demand proof that it was bullcrao that I spouted. You have yet to been able to give proof, just lynch target that is egually good or worse.

5. It could have taughts as something about persuader + what any lynch normally gives. That possible bonus tip about persuader is the thing that would have made it slightly better than other lynches.

[eclipse]

Sho.

Your logic about lynching Nightmare was garbage. Yet you still defend it? You've been told several times that it's bad logic. Trying to push someone for a lynch based on bad logic looks really scummy. Don't do that.

[Rapier]

Let's see:

1. D4V3 (Rein) - Sir Talkalot except not.

2. JB - Nails people like a boss, then disappears with the BK's magic teleportation powder.

3. eclipse - Nothing much about her. Seems to be scumhunting and working hard even though she's been busy, so yeah, Clipsey's Clipsey ( Captain Obvious).

4. Core - Thinks that sheeping isn't bad in some cases, and I didn't understand that part. But meh, after I decided to vote on him, I began to like his behavior. Seems more helpful than he was on FE4 Mafia

5. Bizz - Who?

6. Shinori - Kaoz got subbed just now, Shinori appeared briefly but tried to help whenever he could.

7. Nightmare - Knows well about the game, but he's silent, and stated that he won't say much unless he's pressed. His timid gameplay kinda bothers me.

8. Kay - Has been counterargumentating more than scumhunting, but I guess that's her way of "scumhunting by pressing/questioning/justificating" or whatever. Seems town for me.

9. Rapier - Is Zordon in disguise. Wait, this isn't Power Rangers?! They're all the same, meh.

11. Iris - Doesn't appear much, but votals are a pain and she's trying her best to keep them. Town imo.

12. Strawman - Acts like JB, but he makes sense and participates on the discussion rather than nail someone agaisnt the wall hard.

13. 13th - Mindfucked me, but I get Town newbie vibes from him so idk. I won't make the same mistake that happened with Blitz.

14. Sho - "classic case of missunderstood genius", a mix of Oliver and Dr. Eggman aparently. Claims that at that time Nightmare was the best option for a lynch, and following the persuader's will is a good idea because it's D1 and stupid ideas should be followed. I still take him as a big opportunist, changing his vote to 13th as soon as he saw that he might be the persuader and his plan had failed. Then some people began to ask why Nightmare was so quiet, and Sho decided to make his motif again (well, it's HIS opinion, can't judge him because of that. But if you have followed my version up to now, you know that everything matches like a jigsaw). My motives agaisnt him aren't case makers, but he's my best bet for now.

He voted Nighty because he's silent, but hey what about Rein who doesn't, like, help with anything and disappears with the BK's magical powder after making comments?

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

I defend it in its contexts at the time when we know jackshit. killing nighty had every good side of any other lynch at that point had plus the slight odds that my theory was right. How was this garbage? explain now.

remember only info that was around at the time i made that theory is considered. stand behind your words. I dare you