Snike Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 While it is possible that there's a vig, the fact that whoever it is didn't shoot 13th through the face after his N1 performance says something. Why wasn't this corrected, again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 IE- why is 13th still breathing now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 WHY are you assuming there is a vig in this game? The conclusion was: 1. Multiple killing roles are unlikely. 2. If there is a vig, and he/she idled, then he/she needs a smack upside the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Well, note that I was only assuming a Doc there, but we know now that there are also BPVs and we don't know about Roleblockers at all. It's still possible that there are multiple killing roles, though I think arguing about it is kinda futile (and then you could argue about whether you would randomly kill Sho or Domu etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 WHY are you assuming there is a vig in this game? The conclusion was: 1. Multiple killing roles are unlikely. 2. If there is a vig, and he/she idled, then he/she needs a smack upside the head. Read: independent BPs. I'm not sure I quite understand why they would be given vests as lynchers, since they CAN (and will) joint with the mafia. Unless, of course, there's a vigilante. 2: I'd agree, but I'm not sure others would. Last time I checked there are people convinced that 13th would be a mislynch. If there was a vigilante among those people, they'd have idled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 It's possible that Sho/Rapier was hit, but if they were, I don't remember them saying anything about it. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure I said at the end of N1 that shooting 13th wasn't a bad move, since his D1/N1 actions were pretty bad, and that he wasn't gonna blow up on anyone. Maybe there are, maybe there aren't. Maybe tomorrow will bring more answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 1. D4V3 (Rein)-> Supports a 13th lynch. Aside from that, he really should talk a bit more. 2. JB - His behaviour seems oddly familiar... >_> 3. eclipse - I'm inclined to say that she's likely town, but uh one of the many that misinterpreted my persuasion canon comment. I said that the main antagonist, Shiro Kanzaki, was more likely to possess this Mind Vent (Mind control), since (explanation) he controls Odin via their deck. 4. Core - I can't scumhunt him, because his style is always scummy fmpov. He seems to be waffling, though. =/ 5. Snike - Obviousmaf 2012. Because he decided to post an idea/theory on a voting pattern, which is clearly all of his basis behind trying to lynch 13th/rapier/sho. And he outed two third-parties. Shoot this cretin, hypo-vig. 6. Kaoz - I'd like to say he's town, but then there was the counter-lynch and justification for it. I think that vote change, while it seemed to be reasoned out, was rather hasty from my perspective. Townish, to conclude, but I'm not certain for sure. 7. Nightmare - I'm pretty sure he's town. I want a bg on him, should they exist. 8. Kay - Clammed up after D1. Was part of a Sho counter-lynch attempt on Blitz, which was interesting. I don't like how little she's said since, however. 11.Iris -Was part of the counter-lynch. I'm not sure what to think about this. She gets slack, though, since she had RL issues. 12.Strawman - is playing noticeably better this game than in previous games. I'm not sure what to think of this, since his contributions are relatively moderate. 13. 13th - Inspect him, because this town seems to be taking 'giving the benefit of the doubt to the newbies' to a whole new level. Also, why would we have a mayor and a persuader? In addition, it sounded like earlier on in his freakout his fool claim didn't have the bloody town win condition. 14.Sho - He's playing like Anti-town Anouleth. I believe his claim. On the flip side, he needs to keep quiet, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 1. D4V3 (Rein): He's been pushing for my lynch. I would like to hear logc from him about the other people, still, but I can understand his desire to lynch me. 2. JB: I want to say he seems townish based on behavior, but it seems like he's doing a lot of sheeping (though with logic behind it) and/or keeping quiet. Not to mention when he posts he does a lot of yelling. 3. eclipse: Eclipse. One of those "odd cases". She's being absurd amounts of help (SUMMARIES <3), and she's giving decent logic, but some of it seems... different. She stands out for being the only acyual sane person here. 4. Core: My hardest one to judge. His playstyle appears scummy, he does some sheeping and echoing, but the way he's playing gives me neutral readings. Its just... he seems like the best target for an inspection if I were cop. 5. Bizz Snike: Snike. I REALLY REALLY want to say you're town, despite the canon logic thing, and the hashmark logic. But something in your playstyles is giving me some really odd reads. It also helps when I got several townreads from Bizz, and combining the two makes you seem pretty townish. But there's some parts about your logic that just don't make sense, and I don't think I can figure out exactly what I think is the problem. 6. Shinori Kaoz: Kaoz, numbercruncher extraordinaire. Something in your playing gives me monstrous amounts of towntells, but your quietness makes me see scumtells. Not much on logic adds up about you. You're running the same boat as JB and Snike. The "I wanna say you're town but you have some decent scumminess showing" boat. 7. Nightmare: Nightmare, the barista. I like how he can remain calm in all of this. Something makes me think town, but other parts make me think Mafia. Specifically the followyness about some of your votes, and how others lack some meaning. 8. Kay: Kay, speak up. I can't really have an opinion on you when you aren't saying anything. 9. Rapier, Independent Bulletproof - Lynched Day 2 10. Blitz, Town Mayor - Lynched Day 1 11. Iris: Iris, I understand IRL issues, but it would help if you spoke up. No offense meant. 12. Strawman: The towniest here. He strikes me as Town, a lot. Only a few small logical errors I keep thinking I see make you appear slightly scummy. 13. 13th: LYNCH ME, I'M OBVIOUSLY SCUM, MY CANON DOESN'T MATCH UP. 14. Sho: Sho has gone down my scumdar some. But I honestly do not like that claim any more now that Rapier is lynched. But I will not get into this argument again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 13. 13th: LYNCH ME, I'M OBVIOUSLY SCUM, MY CANON DOESN'T MATCH UP. Don't lynch me, my freakouts, constant sheeping, and general scumminess are because I'm a newbie! Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Once again. Ha, ha, bloody ha. I still feel like you're town, though. That logic may have extremely out there, but it was actually pretty believeable. If I were a nonplayer, I would have seriously believed it. I do think that this mass confusion on stuff is turning into craziness. And I just realized one thing. We want someone to inspect me, right. Inspections are not guaranteed to be accurate, says one of the rules. Its a risk we take with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 The cop will make their own decision on who to inspect. Its better that we avoid giving the mafia hints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 >> 13th: Prepare to claim inspection inaccuracy if found guilty. Riddle me this: Why would a town have both a double voter and a persuader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Irie Obviously a typo, don't lie...! And I don't mind, but I get all OTL since ERL used to call me Irie... >: @13th / others - woah, I'm gone for a day - really, you guys want me to post on Friday night? Eh, oh well. Really, if you guys have any questions, feel free to ask me. So, that lynch. Okay, so, Rapier was an Independent Bulletproof. I should be inclined to believe Sho - I mean, how else would he have known to claim Independent Bulletproof, unless, of course, mafia had a / he is a Stalker/scum!RoleCop, but I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 alright fine I guess I can play this instead of skyward sword I do have a few thoughts. First of all we have... bulletproof lyncher-type guys, apparently. They want to kill someone but they don't know the user and don't have the means to do it themselves and they don't have the means to find out who the user with that character is. Seems like an awesome role. And apparently, there are two. What the fuuuuuuuuck. Second of all, we didn't lynch 13th, despite him not dying N1 and a mayor having been lynched D1 and there is really no reason to have both of them on the same side and claiming fool on Day 1. I don't know what to say to this either. Third of all, I don't get why anyone is still listening to some of him. I also don't think there is a vig because 13th didn't die. also 13th is now softclaiming MILLER PERSUADER this is supposed to be a joke right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I do think that this mass confusion on stuff is turning into craziness. And I just realized one thing. We want someone to inspect me, right. Inspections are not guaranteed to be accurate, says one of the rules. Its a risk we take with this.]/quote]. . I missed this, the first time. Mind explaining what you mean~? And yeah, there's likely not a vigilante, so let's not talk about the hypothetical ideas if there were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I'd just like to add he only said 'I win with the town' in his fool fakeclaim, not the actual wincon of the town. Oh, and his fool fakeclaim was apparently only valid for D1. But yeah, I agree with Strider mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Iris. . .uhhh. . .go find something called Shin Prince of Tennis. There's a guy named Irie that looks like a frog. I'm pretty sure you look better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 WHY are you assuming there is a vig in this game? The conclusion was: 1. Multiple killing roles are unlikely. 2. If there is a vig, and he/she idled, then he/she needs a smack upside the head. Maybe the vig didn't find 13th scummy or worth shooting. Maybe the vig has limited shots and didn't feel shooting him was necessary. Maybe it's an even night vig and he couldn't shoot the first night. Maybe not. Maybe there is no vig. There could be any number of reasons Eclipse. And no need to be so harsh if there is a vig. Once again. Ha, ha, bloody ha. I still feel like you're town, though. That logic may have extremely out there, but it was actually pretty believeable. If I were a nonplayer, I would have seriously believed it. I do think that this mass confusion on stuff is turning into craziness. And I just realized one thing. We want someone to inspect me, right. Inspections are not guaranteed to be accurate, says one of the rules. Its a risk we take with this. ...13th...is there something you aren't telling us? Because this comes off as pretty suspicious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Again, WHY are we assuming there is a vig? Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 ...13th...is there something you aren't telling us? Because this comes off as pretty suspicious... Not that I can think of Unless you count my crush on eclipse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 If there's a vigilante, then, cool, but they better have a reason why they didn't act. If there isn't, there isn't. Let's just not discuss it when we could spend time on other things. Iris. . .uhhh. . .go find something called Shin Prince of Tennis. There's a guy named Irie that looks like a frog. I'm pretty sure you look better than that. T___T //is not a frog gosh, I haven't been keeping up with PoT Not that I can think of Unless you count my crush on eclipse . . . Back off! :O Keep in mind, she's probably at least ten years older than you! Useful posts on this page: None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Again, WHY are we assuming there is a vig? Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. Isn't that literally one of the things I just said? i did not assume there was a vig... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 If there's a vigilante, then, cool, but they better have a reason why they didn't act. If there isn't, there isn't. Let's just not discuss it when we could spend time on other things. You're saying this, but at the same time, you're not suggesting another topic. =/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'll buy every-other-night vig. But N1 would've been a perfect time for the vig to clear himself/herself, yet they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 You're saying this, but at the same time, you're not suggesting another topic. =/ Well then, what do you want to talk about, Snike? By the way, how many more mislynches can we afford - it's kind of hard to tell with all the third parties n' stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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