[NOC] Volcanic Anonymafia - Game Over

[C. C.]

Moeblobs does not like Brian Kibler.

Kibler has been dodging the Invisible wagon all day for petty reasons, such as:

Can someone explain to me what's wrong with Invisible's posts beyond his arrogant "Good luck lynching me" one liner?

I don't find Invisible's wagon based in any grounds, he made a smartass remark during RVS and somehow this warranted real, serious votes? Saying he's only been defending himself is not indicative of his posts, he thinks that the wagon switch from Bored to him is poorly supported and opportunistic. This wagon was started off of a remark that I read as a joke and continued to escalate because the target in question didn't take it seriously and is going "Guys are you serious this wagon is terrible."

Like I said, I think this is an unfair point on someone when a majority of the day's discussion is people wanting to lynch him, what else is he supposed to talk about if not defending himself and looking for scum on his wagon?

Moeblobs does not think Kibler is reading up on the posts made against Invisible. Brushing the wagon off as based on his RVS comment about two votes on him is clearly misrepresenting the wagon as a whole. He also soft defends Invisible by justifying his lack of scumhunting for defense, when there are clearly other players not voting him, and his votes up until the last post have been easy jumps or retaliation.

Don't comment on a wagon you aren't reading up on, Moeblobs thinks. Otherwise your posts look fluffed up for content and ignorant.

[All Might]

Well, Invisible answered the major concern I had against him, so my bad feeling about him has lessened slightly. However, we still need a lynch target today and we have like less than 4 hours. The only people who it seems are likely to get lynched today are Invisible or Bored. I'm going to reread quickly and figure out which of them I'd more rather lynch today.

[All Might]

Well, Invisible answered the major concern I had against him, so my bad feeling about him has lessened slightly. However, we still need a lynch target today and we have like less than 4 hours. The only people who it seems are likely to get lynched today are Invisible, Flaming Hot, or Bored. I'm going to reread quickly and figure out which of them I'd more rather lynch today.

Forgot about him, sorry.

[Rain Nijika]

Invisible (4) - Moeblobs With Hats, Frank Lucas, Pasadena, Pocket Ace

Flaming Hot (3) - enigma, Space Marine, Bored

Bored (2) - Failbaddon, Flaming Hot

Moeblobs With Hats (1) - Invisible

Mormegil (1) - Brian Kibler

Fail (1) - Mormegil

Not Voting: Paperclip, Senbonzakura<br style="color: rgb(209, 87, 5); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(104, 21, 17);">

I'm not sure exactly how I'm suddenly one of the people most likely to be lynched when the only two people who still consider me scummy enough to vote are the person who is afk and the person who has literally said one thing on someone other than me.

[All Might]

Triple post yay

Bored's logic has been iffy in some places, notably near the beginning with not voting in RVS and then his decision that the first people to vote for him for not voting were the scummiest. But his efforts, if not his logic, have been good, and he's consistently made an effort in all his posts to analyze things. So I'd rather not vote him. Plus looking at his wagon past just numbers, one of them is lolFlamingHot.

Invisible took a really long time to produce some decent material. Still a bit suspicious that it took that much prodding for him to produce something of note, but it could also have been due to frustration, and I've been frustrated enough times in games before to know how difficult it is to say something good in that state of mind. So I'll let him slide for now, but if he returns to not scumhunting much D2, my vote will return here.

That leaves us with Flaming Hot. It's frustrating that he hasn't been on in nearly 48 hours to say anything about that last post of his, because it was pretty bad. I dislike lynching players like this, but he seems to me a better choice than the other two, and I don't want to start a powerwagon on someone else.

PEdit: not triple post boo

Yeah, I realized that after the reread, Bored.

[All Might]

##Unvote, ##Vote: Flaming Hot

Whoops, forgot about that.

[All Might]

##Unvote, ##Vote: Flaming Hot

Whoops, forgot about that.

[Shiki Ryougi]

Oh man. We need to get our act together. We have about an hour and a half before the phase ends and I'm not really happy with this activity and the lack of different players who've been around.

Looking at stuff that I missed yesterday, I'm seeing a lot of material that'll help my reads ... but won't be of much use until after a wagon flips. I can't think of anything new I can say about Invisible, Moeblobs, and Brian Kibler right now. I feel that Brian Kibler is defending Invisible really hard, but when I don't know either of their alignments for sure I can't say anything definite for sure. Invisible and Moeblobs attacking each other harder near phase end is also something to note.

I'm unhappy with Fail right now. He's only popped up every once in a while and kept his vote on Bored, commenting very little on everything else. This feels like a vote park, considering that a lot of non-Bored stuff has been in-thread. And yet, he still finds Bored more interesting and more scummy than anything else that's happened?

Also, Mormegil ...

That's the problem I have with him, he voted Invisible only because "his emotions made him do it by impulse".

Actually, that's incorrect. I didn't vote him because of emotion. I unvoted him because I was upset and I wanted to make sure that my reasons for staying on his wagon then weren't clouded by spite.

I really don't want to lynch Flaming Hot right now. His vote on Bored wasn't exactly impressive, but if he's been having actual problems that the mod feels necessary to point out, it's not going to accomplish anything.

Space Marine, I'm not a girl.

[Shiki Ryougi]

We have about an hour and a half before the phase ends

Make that just over an hour now ...

[Prims]

Votecount 1.7

Flaming Hot (4) - enigma, Space Marine, Bored, Pocket Ace

Invisible (3) - Moeblobs With Hats, Frank Lucas, Pasadena

Bored (2) - Failbaddon, Flaming Hot

Failbaddon (1) - Mormegil

Moeblobs With Hats (1) - Invisible

Mormegil (1) - Brian Kibler

Not Voting: Paperclip, Senbonzakura

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have about 3 hours and 5 minutes left in the day.

Remember, a majority is required to lynch! I'll figure out what I want to do if town doesn't reach one when it happens, but it won't be pretty.

[All Might]

I'll switch to Invisible if I really have to to secure a lynch, but FH has more votes atm, so unless some of the people who aren't voting for anyone who's going to get lynched today come in and switch their vote to Invisible to put him over, I'm inclined to keep my vote where it is.

I agree that lynching FH when he hasn't been here to defend himself is sort of shitty, but from my feelings atm, he's more likely to flip scum than Invisible.

And heyyyyyyyyy I see Paperclip posting! Better have something good.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Hi guys I exist. I have like, no idea what's going on right now but I exist. I've had a busy few days with irl distracting me, sorry about that. I'm not fully caught up but we don't have much time left so I figure I should do something. I've ISOed the main lynch candidates, but I haven't seen everything in context so forgive me if I'm a little off in some places.

I think I'd rather see an Invisible lynch over Flaming Hot, since there's a lot more we can gain (associative readwise, due to more content) than from Invisible's flip. While Flaming's content wasn't so hot (kill me, that was horrible) I feel we'd get more if we lynched them later, when they have a bit more content down. Since we need a lynch soon, it's likely between one of the two, and I feel like Invisible would be a better lynch.

##Vote: Invisible

[Shiki Ryougi]

Aside from not being able to be online, I don't want to lynch Flaming Hot because I don't think his flip will tell us much. I mean, if he's scum, that's great, but because he has no interactions we learn nothing about the people who voted him and we'll most likely end up resuming today's debate. Invisible is still a lynch priority of mine, and lynching him nets us a lot of information about Moeblobs and Brian Kibler -- the first who attacked him but seemed more interested in telling me how he thought I was scummy until Invisible fought back and called him a scumread; the second who appears to be hard defending him.

[Shiki Ryougi]

Oh hi Paperclip. Glad you finally showed up.

[C. C.]

Aside from not being able to be online, I don't want to lynch Flaming Hot because I don't think his flip will tell us much. I mean, if he's scum, that's great, but because he has no interactions we learn nothing about the people who voted him and we'll most likely end up resuming today's debate. Invisible is still a lynch priority of mine, and lynching him nets us a lot of information about Moeblobs and Brian Kibler -- the first who attacked him but seemed more interested in telling me how he thought I was scummy until Invisible fought back and called him a scumread; the second who appears to be hard defending him.

Moeblobs is not sure if you're trying to say that Moeblobs didn't think Invisible was scummy until he started posting again or if you think Moeblobs has dropped you because you stopped posting.

Of course, Moeblobs knows neither of these are true and is starting to get ticked off that Moeblobs apparently has to have a better scumread based on which of you two posted last.

[Shiki Ryougi]

You're being really defensive. Here's the thing: I don't know what you're thinking, nor do you know what I'm thinking. If I accidentally misrep you then all I can say is that it was not my intent, and that I can only call things as I see it. Also, you've done your share of ignoring stuff I've said which is also misrep. If I'm guilty of misrep, then you are just as guilty as I am. In other words, I don't know what you're thinking. All I can do is use what I have seen of your actions and interpret them as I can. I can understand why you'd be upset if I misrepped you, but when I got upset over people misrepping and misunderstanding me, you told me to shut up and scum hunt. Should I ask you to do the same?

Furthermore, all I've said was that Invisible's lynch would give me associative reads on you and Brian Kibler. It'll give people associative reads on me as well, but I can't have associative reads on myself because I know what I am. This is pretty much fact.

[C. C.]

You're being really defensive. Here's the thing: I don't know what you're thinking, nor do you know what I'm thinking. If I accidentally misrep you then all I can say is that it was not my intent, and that I can only call things as I see it. Also, you've done your share of ignoring stuff I've said which is also misrep. If I'm guilty of misrep, then you are just as guilty as I am. In other words, I don't know what you're thinking. All I can do is use what I have seen of your actions and interpret them as I can. I can understand why you'd be upset if I misrepped you, but when I got upset over people misrepping and misunderstanding me, you told me to shut up and scum hunt. Should I ask you to do the same?

Moeblobs With Hats is being defensive because this is the third time Moeblobs has had to say "more content =/= more acute scumread" and Moeblobs is getting really tired of having to repeat it. Moeblobs isn't sure where Moeblobs has misrepped you. If it's over the Invisible switch, Moeblobs can understand it was emotion but Moeblobs still thinks you should have waited until you were ready to vote someone else.

Furthermore, all I've said was that Invisible's lynch would give me associative reads on you and Brian Kibler. It'll give people associative reads on me as well, but I can't have associative reads on myself because I know what I am. This is pretty much fact.

Moeblobs was referring to this statment here:

Moeblobs and Brian Kibler -- the first who attacked him but seemed more interested in telling me how he thought I was scummy until Invisible fought back and called him a scumread;

The last time Moeblobs has had to deal with the accusation "Moeblobs is talking about [player] more, why isn't Moeblobs voting him?", Moeblobs was on a D1 wagon competing with a wagon of a [scum] player who had barely posted all day, so Moeblobs had much more to say about Moeblobs's secondary scumread, who wasn't a wagon at all. Moeblobs nearly ragequit over it but the scum player essentially committed suicide so Moeblobs had a happy ending.

The moral of the story is Moeblobs does not want to deal with that shit again.

[Refakitty³]

Okay I don't have much time, but a few things.

1) Moeblobs: I think you're being incredibly opportunistic in voting me because you're letting other people get away with the same shit you're pinging me for and being a complete hypocrite when regarding Sen AND THEN BRUSHING IT OFF LIKE IT'S NOTHING. NOPE THAT'S SHIT AIN'T FLYING WITH ME.

2) You don't have to have said something for me to attack for you intent behind post (see where you said stuff about assumptions). I'm figuring the intent behind what you're saying, and screw you if it's what I think I'll stick with it, thanks (because you're obviously going to argue against it).

3) You conveniently ignored the major question posed: Why was I worse than Pasa? Yes I know your reasons for both cases, but what makes one worse than the other?

So anyway since we need a lynch, I don't mind if you need to lynch me to avoid a universal loss or whatever. I've done what I can.

[All Might]

Pasadena, we lynch to off scum, not get associative reads.. You're right that if FH flips town, we'll have less to work off on D2. But I'd still rather go for the person I find scummier, even if they've been inactive. Of course, unless more people come in the next hour and a half, it doesn't really matter either way.

[Shiki Ryougi]

Pasadena, we lynch to off scum, not get associative reads.. You're right that if FH flips town, we'll have less to work off on D2. But I'd still rather go for the person I find scummier, even if they've been inactive. Of course, unless more people come in the next hour and a half, it doesn't really matter either way.

The thing is, PA, I really don't find Flaming Hot that scummy right now. His one post doesn't tell me enough to give me a definitive read on him.

Response to Moeblobs coming in a minute.

[Refakitty³]

Pasadena, we lynch to off scum, not get associative reads.. You're right that if FH flips town, we'll have less to work off on D2. But I'd still rather go for the person I find scummier, even if they've been inactive.

To be fair though we do have 3 mislynches this game. I don't know exactly how useful my associative reads would be in comparison but y'know.

Anyway since I'm obviously not gonna vote for myself and there's only one other wagon right now I'm gonna:

##Unvote

##Vote: Flaming Hot

But my recent point still stands: I don't really want to lynch him for those reasons but seeing as how he's the only counterwagon at this point I don't have much choice.

[Nemu Kurotsuchi]

Since we don't have enough time and someone will be lynched soon, it's time I switch my vote to Invisible.

Unvote

##Vote: Invisible

He looks way more scummy than Flaming Hot to me, who is legitimatelly busy and has yet to post and defend himself. Also, he didn't do anything bad other than stop posting so suddenly, at least in my view. So, yeah, not buying his wagon. Invisible isn't earning points with me because he tried to redirect Moeblobs' arguments towards me using a false dictomy, which I find opportunistic. I don't remember him defending his actions either. Rather, he only questioned Moeblobs' logic, which is good but it looks more passive-agressive than a proper defense. My vote stays with him.

[Shiki Ryougi]

Moeblobs With Hats is being defensive because this is the third time Moeblobs has had to say "more content =/= more acute scumread" and Moeblobs is getting really tired of having to repeat it. Moeblobs isn't sure where Moeblobs has misrepped you. If it's over the Invisible switch, Moeblobs can understand it was emotion but Moeblobs still thinks you should have waited until you were ready to vote someone else.

Are you saying that I switched from voting Bored to Invisible because of emotions? This is wrong, as I have stated earlier. If you're referring to you calling me waffling, I stated I was not waffling and gave reasons. You said, "you are totally waffling!" And you were misrepping when you said that I dropped him over his apology.

Moeblobs was referring to this statment here:

The last time Moeblobs has had to deal with the accusation "Moeblobs is talking about [player] more, why isn't Moeblobs voting him?", Moeblobs was on a D1 wagon competing with a wagon of a [scum] player who had barely posted all day, so Moeblobs had much more to say about Moeblobs's secondary scumread, who wasn't a wagon at all. Moeblobs nearly ragequit over it but the scum player essentially committed suicide so Moeblobs had a happy ending.

The moral of the story is Moeblobs does not want to deal with that shit again.

My point wasn't that you were talking about me more, so why aren't you voting me. Although you were voting Invisible, I felt that you weren't pushing a case on him enough. This is your reply to Invisible after he responded to your vote on him. You say that a proper wagon hadn't formed on him until I voted and because of it, you were going to be keeping your eyes on me, never mind that you also joined the same wagon after I voted. This is the point where you stopped arguing with Invisible and went after me. The thing is, I'm not convinced by your case on Invisible. I don't like that after exchanging a few back and forth discussions with him you say you should be looking at me instead and stop arguing. Whether this is your intent or not, I don't feel that your case on Invisible presented here was strong enough compared to your arguments against me. A case might sound strong in your head, where you understand yourself, but you have to make it convincing to other people.

Also, I can't tell if this is you RPing or not, but statements like the following:

...Pasadena only makes himself look more tempting for Moeblobs to vote now! Moeblobs With Hats must persevere!

Are rather empty. If I'm so tempting for you to vote, then you should just vote me. If you think I'm looking scummier, but still not scummier than Invisible, then why not just say, "if Invisible lynch doesn't go through Pasadena is also fine with me"? This looks overdramatic, but your point is that at that point you still don't want to lynch me over Invisible. Why not just state that I'm still a secondary scum read instead of being all "tempted to vote, but I must preserve"? Why state it at all? You already established I was a secondary scum read you wanted lynched.

Again, it's not so much that you were talking about me more. It's because your case on me looked more convincing than your case on Invisible. It felt like you backed off him a lot faster to me at least, whether you meant to do that or not, and that your case on me was more arguable than the one on Invisible.

[Refakitty³]

Invisible isn't earning points with me because he tried to redirect Moeblobs' arguments towards me using a false dictomy, which I find opportunistic.

Because pointing out a legitimate contradiction is opportunistic? Right okay.

I don't remember him defending his actions either.

Are you for real people said I was scummy for only defending myself holy shit did you even read

Rather, he only questioned Moeblobs' logic, which is good but it looks more passive-agressive than a proper defense.

Source Your Shit please because I'm not buying this until you do

[Estelle]

@Moe: I don't see how I am avoiding the Invisible wagon, when you can find several posts of mine saying I think that the wagon on him is unfair and based on some questionable logic. Let me spell it out: I think he will flip town. He could be playing better but I don't think that there is scum intent in his actions or words.

The Flaming Ace wagon seems pretty lazy and is based pretty much entirely on one post. If I am forced to choose between hammering him or Invisible, I will probably vote Invisible because I think that the information from the associative reads gotten from his flip will help us more in the long run than the few greater percentage points that Flaming Hot is scum.

I think people should look into Mormegil more, since his posts are pretty empty, and I'm not really a huge fan of Frank Lucas either. The details on that are in one of my previous posts. I don't really like Morm's response to my prodding either. If someone doesn't care or is busy, voting them doesn't help and won't make them show up. The only time voting an inactive does something is when they're lurking and only show up to defend themselves, but I don't think that's the case.