[NOC] Volcanic Anonymafia - Game Over

[C. C.]

PEdit:

Now, Bored's point about Fail is fine. His posts seem only focused on him, and it seems as if he doesn't have any opinions about other players. I want him to say something about this game overall when he's back.

Moeblobs actually missed this post from Mormegil, which was the original reason for voting Fail. Moeblobs can agree this isn't actually as good as Moeblobs thought earler, now Moeblobs can see how the opposition seems quite a bit more valid.

Moeblobs is also in support of voting Frank Lucas. Moeblobs doesn't like how Frank tries to analyze a nightkill (which is more or less a crapshoot for reads). Moeblobs also dislikes how he blows off Moeblob's case on Pasadena as "stupid, pointless bickering". Frank fails to come back to it later, even though it was a large part of what went on during D2. Moeblobs also thinks the reasoning from Bored against Frank is all pretty good (even though this post might be reiterating what he said, Moeblobs can't really help that due to Frank's lack of content).

Moeblobs will ##Unvote Pasadena for now, if only because Moeblobs isn't seeing much of a chance Pasadena will ever get the rope he so desperately deserves.

##Vote: Frank Lucas maybe this player will prove be a better choice, however.

[Shiki Ryougi]

I must be off now. I'll see if I can make another post later today, but no promises.

[All Might]

Well, upon reread I sort of understand the Frank Lucas wagon a little more. I don't really think the analyzing nightkills is as bad as people are making it out to be, but as others said, he never really explained why one of Invisible or Pasadena were likely to be scum. Moreover, after Invisible flipped town, he completely abandoned this line of thinking, because he didn't vote Pasadena as he should have if he really believed it. Nor did he say why he no longer believed that one of them was likely to be scum. It feels like he just wanted to push Invisible and was pulling reasons out that would support that case.

[Ochako Uraraka]

Well, as if I didn't get mentally tired enough with reading this thread from the beggining, and from looking up some game-related information to find out what in the seven heavens is a Failbaddon, my internet connection decides to be funny and disintegrates thrice in the process. Oof.

But I want, at least, to make this game go a faster pace with more activity. Finding a way to fix all this damage town took the past 2 days in the process, hopefully.

As of right now only the events of Day 1 and early Day 2 have really sunk into my brain, I will still try to post as much of what I find odd as I can. Though, If there's any questions you had towards my past self that I've possibly skipped/not read yet, do point me to them. Now for the part of this post that matters:

- One argument that was used by multiple players, as far as I saw, was the assumption that scum is always playing optimally to justify their actions as 'less scummy than perceived'. That is incorrect, and opens a road for WIFOM thought processes that will likely make discussions more and more of a time-consuming headache. I would not like to see them used again, and will probably press any player for a better justification if they do such.

- I wholeheartedly agree with my past self's assessment on Bored's Day 1 actions. After being threathened by the weight of multiple votes, he finally makes an assessment... on the people on his wagon and that's it. In this regard, I'll accept his point that he was waiting for more content, and will just tell him that a different approach to RVS would be appreciated, but my read does not end here:

As I've nitpicked before, scum shouldn't be assumed to be playing optimally, they can be random, some of their kills can be random, we shouldn't enforce a single mindset to perceive scum as. You're one of the first players I saw that kept speculating on such, as in this post, and this post as well.

Now let us have questionably fun times while I quote some of your phrases:

Ok, lets address some points from Fail one at a time, shall we? (No, this is not a question I expect people to answer Fail. It is in fact rhetorical. I realize that by pointing this out you may accuse me of shaming people more, but ah well)

...

-They invoked the "If I was scum" argument. This a shitty argument and anyone who uses it should be summarily executed by being forced to listen to "Friday" on endless repeat

Mmmm. Now, I'm going to ask a question. Why is this any less of a shitty argument than you saying that something I've said is a shitty argument and I should be lynched for it without giving reasons behind it? Now, if I had simply said "if I was scum I would do this but I didn't so I'm not scum" and nothing else, I might see where you're coming from. But, it was merely a piece in my argument. Therefore, you taking out only this and ignoring everything else I said makes me think that you're just lazy and not reading my posts fully.

...

I've skipped the part of your post regarding the 'wall of words' defence because, unlike my past self, I am perfectly fine with your way of posting.

The remark regarding your first sentence was especially unnecessary, to a level that even you acknowledge it. I will not hold it against you, but please don't do something like such again, it does annoy me.

My past self may have worded it more agressively, but a bad piece of argument stays a bad piece of argument, and he did not mention that you should be lynched from that alone. It's more obvious that he doesn't by reading this quoted post in full, as you had more to answer for that he perceived in a negative light. Your argument in a nutshell, with regards to your defence at that moment in time, was that you didn't feel that what you had done was scummy, and that scum wouldn't do it because they want to blend in. Wheter or not you felt it was scummy is more opinionated, so, in essence, your argument was "if I was scum I would do this but I didn't so I'm not scum imo".

Past this point, however, is where my past self's activity diminishes, and he leaves his vote on you just for gut feelings, without expanding on this argument. I'd like to keep this suspicion alive. Not with a vote, as I don't find it to hold enough ground as it is. For now, I'll be patient and look at other players.

- Mormegil: Your buddying is showing. Invisible's comment was towards Space Marine, and Moe to a sense, but you intervene to counter his logic as much as you can nevertheless. You wait for an answer from Moe regarding their vote on Invisible and not really paying attention to your vote, which is fair enough, but you also separate yourself from Invisible by saying his reasons are different from yours in the silliest way possible. The amount of people on your scumdar have nothing to do with why you're voting said person that is also inactive, and I'm honestly surprised people let you get away with that. Either you're buddying with Moe, pushing Invisible hard, or both, and none of them are very good especially since we know Invisible's allignment for a good while.

In here, you defend yourself by means of --guess what-- scumspec. It feels especially sour, for you talked as if you knew exactly how scum worked that night. I am aware that Frank's accusation also used speculation a bit, however associative reads are usually a more safe ground to work with, and thrashing them with a scumspec does no true justice.

It could be that I'm outdated in some facts, but I still think my analysis has solid ground for now.

##Vote: Mormegil

Do note that I'm not saying scumbuddying, I don't have a solid read on DesuBlocks with Caps as of yet (actually, it's more that my brain is pudding and I'm more than tired for mafia right now, but I digress, 'tis an excuse). However, I like to believe I have a decent grasp of what other people though of them at that point in time, and how it'd prove benefitial to buddy with them.

I do hope to come with more content soon enough, but at this point I think I've had more than enough reading to warrant a rest.

[Prims]

Votecount 3.1

Mormegil (3) - Pocket Ace, Frank Lucas, Failbaddon

Frank Lucas (3) - Bored, Paperclip, Moeblobs With Hats

Enigma (2) - Mormegil, Pasadena

Not Voting: enigma, Flaming Hot

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. You have about 47 hours and 30 minutes left in the day.

enigma and Flaming Hot have been prodded.

Whoever was the first enigma didn't exist on D1 and subbed out.

For the record, there was a very legitimate reason for this that would have caused a sub request regardless of alignment.

Edited March 10, 2013 by Priam

[Ochako Uraraka]

... did I kill the thread?

Very well, I'll reread and come up with more content after lunch.

[Cú Chulainn]

Hey guys, guess what. I have a scumread! And I'm building up a fabulous case to show all of you that the great return of your favorite Flaming Hot slice of man meat is going to be nothing short of the greatest thing you've ever seen!Give me about 5 more minutes, as my efforts do require a teeny bit of polishing up, as do my nails.

[Cú Chulainn]

By the mullet of Ike, #270 was simply a horrible and screwed up attempt at wagon parking

Brian suspected more people than only me, and I was suspected by most of the active players (aka the ones who makea a difference, the ones who are not inactive and don't post just once per phase), so I'd say everyone except Moe, Bored and Pasa would have pressed a lynch on me in D2. The chances of scum killing one of those players (for whatever reason) and additionally making it much easier to lynch me is absurdly high. Instead of helping my case, killing Kibler would only help me dig my own grave.Also, Space Marine didn't suspect me, he only addressed some posts I made, so this point of yours makes no sense. Correct me if the "second person to die who suspected Morm" you were referring to wasn't SM.I'd also like to address Enigma's post #2309122. I don't understand why you think me voting Fail is scummy, and how I'd use it as an excuse if he were to be lynched since I had legit reasons to be doing so (his tunneling on Bored was pretty bad, he made no contribuitions so far in D1, he disappeared in D2. I said it so many times already...). Besides, why didn't you vote for your top scumread when you had the chance? If you found Kibler scummier than me, why vote me then?This leads me to the conclusion that he wanted to lynch me over Kibler, using the already formed easy wagon on me to make sure I'd be lynched that phase, as 4 players voting someone is a decisive number when we only have 6 actives. Hence why I want answers from him.##Vote: EnigmaMeanwhile, I'll give more time for Fail's sub to catch up with us, but my eyes are still on him.I'd like to see comments from Moe and Frank that aren't about Pasa/Me, respectively. You won't be helping town if you decide to focus on only one target and never address someone else. This Moe & Pasa discussion slapfight has been going since D1 and is getting quite old.

Something about this post burns me up, especially the underlined part. Perhaps I'm being a little nitpicky on the wording, but I find this as more of a slip and tumble down a canyon than just a hypothetical what if, combined with a shitty vote on a player for inspiringly mediocre reasons (OMGUS, or voting to prod players for answers to questions for reasons unrelated to determining alignment).Combine this with other things, like his measily argument as to why our Space Marine was thrown into a volcano, and I'm seeing a pretty hot candidate for being in the Mafia.I'm finally decently caught up, and after just speedreading and looking for things that caught my eye, it was Mormegil that really caught my attention.Now comes my mega read, where I sit down with my trusty notepad and take more copious notes, while I let my pore cleanser do its job.##Vote Mormegil

[Cú Chulainn]

##Vote MormegilWow something ate my formatting. That was indeed awful.

[C. C.]

Failbaddon's comeback is a real surprise for Moeblobs. A huge improvement over his D1 posts, and really shakes Moeblobs' previously not-scum read on Mormegil (as if Moeblobs didn't doubt it enough already). The point about he buddying bothers Moeblobs the most, not just because it could make Moeblobs look bad, but because Moeblobs didn't catch it herself. Moeblobs very much awaits more reads from Fail.

Flaming Hot's vote is much less impressive by comparison, though, although Moeblobs still supposes his vote has valid points. It's mostly the bringing up Space Marine that makes the vote seem weak. SM was a scum nightkill, nobody can guess why he was chosen except for scum, arguing for or against the point is kind of pointless.

Moeblobs isn't so sure about Mormegil any more. His Fail vote turned out to be another lurker park, thus invalidating alot of what Moeblobs had agreed about it, and the buddying point Fail brought up really irks Moeblobs now. Not to mention many of his votes throughout the game have been pretty bad in general (lurkerparks on Senbon and Fail, enigma vote seeming weak for similar reasons)

Moeblobs feels pretty good about lynching either Frank or Mormegil now. Moeblobs thinks both are pretty likely to flip scum at this point.

[Nemu Kurotsuchi]

Perhaps I'm being a little nitpicky on the wording, but I find this as more of a slip and tumble down a canyon than just a hypothetical what if, combined with a shitty vote on a player for inspiringly mediocre reasons (OMGUS, or voting to prod players for answers to questions for reasons unrelated to determining alignment).Combine this with other things, like his measily argument as to why our Space Marine was thrown into a volcano, and I'm seeing a pretty hot candidate for being in the Mafia.I'm finally decently caught up, and after just speedreading and looking for things that caught my eye, it was Mormegil that really caught my attention.Now comes my mega read, where I sit down with my trusty notepad and take more copious notes, while I let my pore cleanser do its job.##Vote Mormegil

I really dislike this comment, if you say I'm having an OMGUS by voting Enigma. You completely scrapped my reasons for voting him with a single world, and I really dislike this. Also, I didn't argue about why SM was night killed, it was Pocket who brought it twice by saying "SM was killed because he suspected Morm hence why I dislike him" (when he hardly ever mentioned me at all) and "Kibler was killed because he suspected Morm hence why I dislike him more". I replied SM was a good player and not too far off from being a good nightkill candidate to show him that the reason for SM to die weren't limited to how he saw it, and scumspecing is a terrible and silly. I brought the same thing up again by saying Kibler could've killed for other reasons too.

- Mormegil: Your buddying is showing. Invisible's comment was towards Space Marine, and Moe to a sense, but you intervene to counter his logic as much as you can nevertheless. You wait for an answer from Moe regarding their vote on Invisible and not really paying attention to your vote, which is fair enough, but you also separate yourself from Invisible by saying his reasons are different from yours in the silliest way possible. The amount of people on your scumdar have nothing to do with why you're voting said person that is also inactive, and I'm honestly surprised people let you get away with that. Either you're buddying with Moe, pushing Invisible hard, or both, and none of them are very good especially since we know Invisible's allignment for a good while.

In here, you defend yourself by means of --guess what-- scumspec. It feels especially sour, for you talked as if you knew exactly how scum worked that night. I am aware that Frank's accusation also used speculation a bit, however associative reads are usually a more safe ground to work with, and thrashing them with a scumspec does no true justice.

It could be that I'm outdated in some facts, but I still think my analysis has solid ground for now.

##Vote: Mormegil

I don't think my case was the same as Invisible's. If you judge two cases as the same just because they're similar, then you're doing it wrong. The way Invisible said "hey look at that guy too he's just like me why are you not voting him then" was also a terrible indirecting towards me. I won't say more about the scumspec part because you must've read the first part of my post.

Also

The amount of people on your scumdar have nothing to do with why you're voting said person that is also inactive, and I'm honestly surprised people let you get away with that.

Are you not doing the same thing with me, regarding Bored?

[Ochako Uraraka]

Lunch was 3 hours ago. I am a true master of procrastination, if I say so myself.

Hm, I'm trying to look into the Frank Lucas wagon. Reading ISOs isn't my strong point, so I'll be apprecciated if somebody points out the wagon logic to me.

FH's point on Mormegil does not look that good to me, but it's worth me assessing it over. Lack of formatting confuses me the most.

On the meantime, I see I reaped some reactions, Now that is most satisfactory.

Also, I didn't argue about why SM was night killed, it was Pocket who brought it twice by saying "SM was killed because he suspected Morm hence why I dislike him" (when he hardly ever mentioned me at all) and "Kibler was killed because he suspected Morm hence why I dislike him more". I replied SM was a good player and not too far off from being a good nightkill candidate to show him that the reason for SM to die weren't limited to how he saw it, and scumspecing is a terrible and silly. I brought the same thing up again by saying Kibler could've killed for other reasons too.

Regarding the bolded part, your wording in the post that you used this argument implied that SM being killed for being a good player was the more likely outcome, and despite associative reads to other players existing, you only really used them significantly in your defense, such as here, as if trying to avert town from following associative reads.

I'm too lazy to source, but I'm fairly sure Pocket and Kibler's mentions are suspections and not definitive, and there are more ways to take it other than discarding it as bad scumspec.

I don't think my case was the same as Invisible's. If you judge two cases as the same just because they're similar, then you're doing it wrong. The way Invisible said "hey look at that guy too he's just like me why are you not voting him then" was also a terrible indirecting towards me. I won't say more about the scumspec part because you must've read the first part of my post.

Hmmm... let's see:

Here's a thought to go on:

##Unvote

##Vote: Senbonzakura

Fix that empty unvote and your lack of content. I don't like it at all (you could have just easily not unvoted/posted until later when you had material). It feels like filler content and not contributing ain't good at this point.

For now, I'll prod Senbonzakura (I also need a macro for this) for comming in, calling someone scummy just for something he noticed on page 1 (a lot of things happened by now) and leaving suddenly. I understand that Bleach is well known for it's absurd amounts of fillers, but that's pretty uncool either way. I also have a lot of things to do, but I tried to keep up my pace within the game, so I won't take this as an excuse. Letting you go untouched is like letting lazy scum vote someone for an old and opportunistic reason and fly past the radar.

##Vote: Senbonzakura

Sure, in the sense that you're prodding him... with a vote, for suddenly reappearing with outdated, next to zero content, and leaving suddenly akin to a lazy scum. While Invisible voted him for sudden appearance, and lack of content and contribution, your cases are different.

Until you realize that if you dissectate the wordings it's the same case.

To be perfectly honest, you kept saying later in the game that you voted him because you wanted to see content from him, as seen in the bottom of this post, but wouldn't Invisible's post cause the same effect? Unless you thought he was really expecting people to follow him and lynch Senbon for inactivity.

Are you not doing the same thing with me, regarding Bored?

You've honestly lost me there, mind expanding on this point, possibly quoting more, if it helps?

The only thing I can assume you're pointing out here is questioning why I'm voting you over Bored. If that's correct, then I'll tell you that's because my read on Bored is inconclusive as of yet, while I feel safer about my points towards you.

Argh, I've promised new content but I've done nothing but stay on Mormegil and generate short sentences on other cases, excuse me while I lazily withdraw myself to my 3DS world. OTL

[Prims]

Votecount 3.2

Mormegil (4) - Pocket Ace, Frank Lucas, Failbaddon, Flaming Hot

Frank Lucas (3) - Bored, Paperclip, Moeblobs With Hats

Enigma (2) - Mormegil, Pasadena

Not Voting: enigma

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. You have about 29 hours and 42 minutes left in the day.

Bored and Frank Lucas have been prodded.

Edited March 10, 2013 by Priam

[All Might]

I find Mormegil scummy, as evidenced by my vote, but I didn't see anything that bad with him saying that SM's kill was probably just because he looked townie. That was a fair thing to say, IMO, and IIRC other people said that too in their attacks against Frank Lucas. I find Flaming Hot's vote for him based nearly solely on those reasons not very good, regardless of what alignment Morm happens to be. Maybe, as Fail said, it's also partly the formatting of the post, since I'm not sure what he's referring to with "the underlined section", but that's really the only thing in there that I see other than some roleplaying. There's a bit about wagonparking but he doesn't go into much detail so I don't really get what he's trying to say.

[Rain Nijika]

Hey, I'm here. Turns out when driving 14 hours to get to a vacation spot, it's a good idea to sleep in the car. Otherwise you tend to crash the next day...

Don't like Flaming one bit. I don't like the fact that his case on Morm was based simply on one post and his comments on SM. If there's more to it, then give us all the reasons, not just the one. Seems like this might either be an attempt at bussing or just settling on an easy bandwagon.

Besides that, while I'm ok with lynching Morm, I'm not as familiar with the case and as such would still prefer Frank to Morm. The fact that he hasn't even tried to defend himself makes him look pretty bad. I put my case up yesterday game time so he's had plenty of time to read and come up with a response but instead all we get from him today is a vote drop back on an easy wagon. Doesn't look too good to me.

[Ochako Uraraka]

I find Mormegil scummy, as evidenced by my vote, but I didn't see anything that bad with him saying that SM's kill was probably just because he looked townie. That was a fair thing to say, IMO, and IIRC other people said that too in their attacks against Frank Lucas. I find Flaming Hot's vote for him based nearly solely on those reasons not very good, regardless of what alignment Morm happens to be. Maybe, as Fail said, it's also partly the formatting of the post, since I'm not sure what he's referring to with "the underlined section", but that's really the only thing in there that I see other than some roleplaying. There's a bit about wagonparking but he doesn't go into much detail so I don't really get what he's trying to say.

Fair assessment, though that makes me curious: Why, assuming that he's your main scumread, do you find Mormegil the most likely to be scum? Considering you concur with his defence, it doesn't make sense that part of why you found him scummier today was the very reason he argued and you agreed with. I'd like to see what you think in full about him, if you don't mind.

Bored, I'm assuming you're tired and would appreciate a break, and will be sympathetic. However, I'd like answers to what I've said, whenever you can adress them.

[Rain Nijika]

Sorry Fail, missed that you'd specifically asked me anything. Let me go look at that.

Well... actually, I'm not sure what you're asking me. There's the point about my defense being bad, which I'll admit it's not my best defense ever, but I'm not sure what else there is to say. i did something I don't consider scummy and people jumped on me. What else is there for me to say? That I should have put a vote down? Maybe I should have but I didn't. I can't change that now.

Then there's the bit where you ask someone to explain the case on Frank. If you look here, this is my case. I felt like it was fairly well explained, but I might be wrong. If you still have more questions after that, I can answer them more.

If there are more questions you have for me that I missed, please let me know.

[All Might]

That was mostly a side thing. I didn't bring up the point with someone who suspected Morm dying after N1 because it was just one person, SM looked townie, and SM didn't actually outright state Morm as a scumread. I made me feel more uncomfortable after Kibler died, because for some reason I'd forgotten that SM had just been a little wary about one of Morm's posts, and so to me at the time I thought a second person who found Morm suspicious getting killed was weird. Then Morm reminded me that SM hadn't actually been that suspicious of him, so I took that point back (or if I forgot to do so, I take it back now).

However, my main reasons for finding Morm scummy are here. To sum it up, while I didn't find the content he posted that bad, the way he chose to vote secondary scumreads on D1/D2 instead of primary ones felt as if he was pushing people while trying to seem disconnected from their wagon.

On D2 I found the original Fail worse for his D1 tunneling of Bored for not very good reasons, but on D3 I decided to let you get some time to catch up, and I feel better about you now.

[Aizen]

@Bored: Your whole case can be summed up into three things: You voted Invisible who flipped town, you voted Mormegil who Brian voted, and you're dumb for not thinking SM was obvtown. So to answer all those things: 1) Defending yourself every one of your posts except for one DOES NOT EQUAL scumhunting, and when I made my vote Invisible was looking pretty scummy. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to come back and switch off, since the later votes on that wagon were pretty meh. 2) Pretty sure my case on Mormegil was similar to Brian's (when I was the one to vote Mormegil first nice misrep buddy). I made my own points, and it looks like some people are agreeing with me and the confirmed town Brian about Mormegil, which I think says something. 3) Hindsight is 20/20 and I highly doubt many people at the time thought that, but after the flip everyone is like "oh yeah he was obvtown". I think Brian was obvtown, not SM. Not liking how you and Mormegil keep mentioning that.

@Paperclip: I don't even understand why you're voting me. Something like I wasn't entirely sure that one of Invisible/Pasadena HAD to be scum, since I admitted that it could be intown fighting, but it didn't feel like it because >emotions. I switched that line of thinking later though when I realized who Pasadena was, and admittedly meta changed my judgment of that whole incident. Add that in with Moeblobs v. Pasadena argument and it kinda solidified to me that the "one must be scum" line of thinking is stupid. So I got rid of it. I even admitted D2 that I had changed that mindset and started looking elsewhere. Your other reason I believe is because Brian had me as a weak scumread, so yeah.

@Moeblobs: Your vote on me is a wagon hop with little reasoning (seems personal since I didn't really focus on your case against Pasadena much, which I apologize for I didn't mean it in an offensive way, it was just too much emotion for me to really dissect well, and I already failed at doing it with the Pasadena/Invisible case, so I just looked elsewhere), and you're pretty much borrowing Bored said despite not actually looking at his case's quality. I think you're leaning town for the most part, but this wagon hop looks really bad on your part.

Fail's looking much better since his sub and I think he makes good points about Mormegil. Flaming Hot's wording point is meh, but his other points still stand. Out of all the votes his looks worst though.

[Rain Nijika]

Frank, no, that's not what I'm saying. Not quite actually.

-I'm saying that the reasons you voted Invisible are either not good reasons (attitude isn't scummy) or things you did (not scumhunting. All you did last phase was talk about Invisible and maybe give a one liner to someone else once or twice)

-Then, I say you look at the SM case, side mention that he was obvi-town and therefore a safe kill, but once again that wasn't my main focus of that point. My main point there was that you basically ignored half the people SM was suspicious of and instead focused solely on Morm. Again, just focusing on one person.

As a side note, Brian first voted Morm on March 2 at 11:37 PM my time. You first voted him on March 5. Therefore, you in fact did not vote him first and that was my point. Nice misrep buddy.

My major points on you were in fact not what you said, but instead that you continually voting people for not scum hunting along with slightly smaller reasons that aren't actually really good for scum hunting like attitude and that you ignore other people to focus solely on those people which doesn't really seem like scum hunting to me.

Good misrep of my case though. I'm quite content leaving my vote here.

[Kamina]

I'd also like to address Enigma's post #2309122. I don't understand why you think me voting Fail is scummy, and how I'd use it as an excuse if he were to be lynched since I had legit reasons to be doing so (his tunneling on Bored was pretty bad, he made no contribuitions so far in D1, he disappeared in D2. I said it so many times already...). Besides, why didn't you vote for your top scumread when you had the chance? If you found Kibler scummier than me, why vote me then?

This leads me to the conclusion that he wanted to lynch me over Kibler, using the already formed easy wagon on me to make sure I'd be lynched that phase, as 4 players voting someone is a decisive number when we only have 6 actives. Hence why I want answers from him.

##Vote: Enigma

Because that wasn't how you listed your reasons. You said you wanted to see reasoning and reads from him, and that he should have things to post despite being busy, making it look like an inactivity prod. So, you could say that you hadn't wanted him lynched, and you planned to take your vote off once he posted more.

I did vote for my top scumread. That post of yours caused you to become my top scumread, instead of Brian. And this "you suspected someone else more than me earlier in the game, you can't vote for me!" argument isn't really helping your case, IMO.

I would vote for Mormegil now, but I don't wanna give scum the chance to hammer just in case. I'll vote before phase end, but no reason to hurry.

Failbaddon's comeback is a real surprise for Moeblobs. A huge improvement over his D1 posts, and really shakes Moeblobs' previously not-scum read on Mormegil (as if Moeblobs didn't doubt it enough already). The point about he buddying bothers Moeblobs the most, not just because it could make Moeblobs look bad, but because Moeblobs didn't catch it herself. Moeblobs very much awaits more reads from Fail.

Flaming Hot's vote is much less impressive by comparison, though, although Moeblobs still supposes his vote has valid points. It's mostly the bringing up Space Marine that makes the vote seem weak. SM was a scum nightkill, nobody can guess why he was chosen except for scum, arguing for or against the point is kind of pointless.

Moeblobs isn't so sure about Mormegil any more. His Fail vote turned out to be another lurker park, thus invalidating alot of what Moeblobs had agreed about it, and the buddying point Fail brought up really irks Moeblobs now. Not to mention many of his votes throughout the game have been pretty bad in general (lurkerparks on Senbon and Fail, enigma vote seeming weak for similar reasons)

Moeblobs feels pretty good about lynching either Frank or Mormegil now. Moeblobs thinks both are pretty likely to flip scum at this point.

So much content, yet so much neutrality. None of those reads look very definite, care to elaborate?

[Prims]

Paperclip and Pasadena have been prodded.

you guys are all awful people btw

[All Might]

If scum want to quickhammer town!Morm, they'd just be offering up an easy pick for the vengeful shot. I don't think we need to worry about that. More important is that we don't get a repeat of D1 where we've got a few hours left and no majority.

[Shiki Ryougi]

Sorry for being away for so long. Real life got real busy, real fast. I'll try to get caught up and prove more detail at a time when I'm not exhausted. As of right now:

My biggest suspicions are enigma and Mormegil: the former hasn't really done much of note, and I still think voting Mormegil after Senbon had already been inactivity modkilled and had to be asked to vote is suspicious. Mormegil didn't seem to really "commit" to his scum reads in the past day phases and seems defensive.

I can understand why people are looking at Frank Lucas strangely, but I need to reread him again. He just hasn't had much of a presence to me. Although the whole "one of Pasadena and Invisible must be scum" on D1 never being brought up or addressed again is something I had intended to bring up on D2 (but never got the chance to because yeah).

Failbaddon's sub is all right with me, but I still don't have a good feeling about this player slot due to the old Failbaddon's actions (and lack thereof).

I have no objections to lynching Mormegil and if necessary will switch my vote over to him at the end of the phase.

[C. C.]

@Moeblobs: Your vote on me is a wagon hop with little reasoning (seems personal since I didn't really focus on your case against Pasadena much, which I apologize for I didn't mean it in an offensive way, it was just too much emotion for me to really dissect well, and I already failed at doing it with the Pasadena/Invisible case, so I just looked elsewhere), and you're pretty much borrowing Bored said despite not actually looking at his case's quality. I think you're leaning town for the most part, but this wagon hop looks really bad on your part.

Moeblobs can admit that the case on Frank borrows a bit from Bored, but there's only so much Moeblobs can come up with to argue for with your five or so posts. Sooner or later the reasoning of one is going to parrot an earlier vote on the wagon.

Moeblobs doesn't think you're doing very much to contribute for town anyway, so there's that too. Three lines isn't doing much justice analyzing up the day's events so far, for instance.