Alfred Kamon Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 BTW, what do you guys think of a topic in which we share our competitive teams and give tips to each other, so we can improve them? I'm thinking about creating one once I get back from the gym. Seconding Nobody's idea (meaning it's mine? ok it's a terrible joke) in this topic we can share our competitive teams, give some tips, ask for help, etc. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuuda Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Excellent, now I can more easily thrust my problems upon you. I mentioned before the idea of building something around Mega Mawile / Salamence, but I'm wondering if Salamence could possibly be replaced by something else. I'm looking mostly at Gyarados, who doesn't have trouble with Fairy type, or maybe Noivern, for Infiltrator. Which do you think would be the best choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 dem tags The only fully trained Pokemon I have is Hydreigon - Modest Nature - Draco Meteor, Dark Pulse, U-Turn and Focus Blast/Flash Cannon/Fire Blast. Planning on equipping it with a Life Orb. I'll partner it up with a Togekiss once I finish breeding it. When December comes, I'll cover up that Ice weakness with a Heatran, but whats a good substitute until that happens? Other three slots will be filled up with Galvantula, Tyranitar and a stealth rocker. Tyranitar could be the stealth rocker and i'll add in Scizor. I've never put much thought in Pokemon teams before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Excellent, now I can more easily thrust my problems upon you. I mentioned before the idea of building something around Mega Mawile / Salamence, but I'm wondering if Salamence could possibly be replaced by something else. I'm looking mostly at Gyarados, who doesn't have trouble with Fairy type, or maybe Noivern, for Infiltrator. Which do you think would be the best choice? They have very different roles from each other. Gyarados can either be a bulky annoying flying fish with great spdef, thunderwave, dragon tail and other annoying moves, or a destructive leaviathan that after a dragon dance can sweep easily also thanks to its ability, Moxie. Noivern is one of those dragons who're supposedly good with choice items. It doesn't have access to dragon dance IIRC, and it is a special attacker. If you're going to cover Mawile weaknesses, I think that Gyarados is better: it can dispose of fire types and it's generally bulkier. I have the feeling that this will be the "priority metagame generation" with all these new entries with Prankster and Gale Wings Talonflame, so you also have to take that in account when making the team. dem tags The only fully trained Pokemon I have is Hydreigon - Modest Nature - Draco Meteor, Dark Pulse, U-Turn and Focus Blast/Flash Cannon/Fire Blast. Planning on equipping it with a Life Orb. I'll partner it up with a Togekiss once I finish breeding it. When December comes, I'll cover up that Ice weakness with a Heatran, but whats a good substitute until that happens? Other three slots will be filled up with Galvantula, Tyranitar and a stealth rocker. Tyranitar could be the stealth rocker and i'll add in Scizor. I've never put much thought in Pokemon teams before. glad you noticed 'em XD Hydreigon is weak x4 to fairy now, making it quite weaker than in the past... it's a shame, really. However it can now pierce through Steel types with Dark pulse... which is quite good if you're running a Choice item set. In fact, I think Hydreigon is better with a Choice Scarf. It's pretty slow... it needs it. Go with Draco Meteor, Dark Pulse, Fire Blast and Surf. I've tested that set for years, and it was great (at least in gen 5). Any steel pokémon will cover your weaknesses, since it's immune to poison and resists rock (for Togekiss) and it resists Dragon, Ice and Fairy (for Heydreigon). Aggron? Mawile? Scizor (loses resistance to rock)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Hydreigon is weak x4 to fairy now, making it quite weaker than in the past... it's a shame, really. However it can now pierce through Steel types with Dark pulse... which is quite good if you're running a Choice item set. In fact, I think Hydreigon is better with a Choice Scarf. It's pretty slow... it needs it. Go with Draco Meteor, Dark Pulse, Fire Blast and Surf. I've tested that set for years, and it was great (at least in gen 5). The only fairies that outspeed Hydreigon are Mega Gardevoir and Whimsicott, I think Hydreigon will be fine in this metagame if I play smart aka she's screwed. The bigger question is Togekiss. Such an amazing pokemon this generation. I can't decide if I should make it a Nasty Plot booster, a wish passer or an all out bulky attacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Any scarfed fairy can destroy your hydreigon. I'm using a scarfed gardevoir with moonblast and i can say that she is being pretty good so far. I think that might become a commun combination. Edited October 25, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The only fairies that outspeed Hydreigon are Mega Gardevoir and Whimsicott, I think Hydreigon will be fine in this metagame if I play smart aka she's screwed. The bigger question is Togekiss. Such an amazing pokemon this generation. I can't decide if I should make it a Nasty Plot booster, a wish passer or an all out bulky attacker. and Xerneas yeah Togekiss is looking pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Scarf might be smart then. Sticky web does negate enemy scarfs to a degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) So... My "team" (just a bunch of EV trained pokemon with perfect IVs) is Gengar @focus sach /levitate timid 252 SPA 252SPE Sludge bomb thunderbolt shadow ball destiny bond Blaziken @blazikenite / speed boost Adamant 252 ATK 252 SPE Protect High jump kick hone claws flare blitz Greninja @expect belt / protean Timid 252 SPA 252 SPE Ice Beam Surf Extrasensory Dark Pulse Gardevoir @choice scarf / trace Modest 252 SPA 252 SPE Moonblast psychic filler filler Garchomp @Life Orb / Sand Veil Jolly 252 ATK 252 SPD Dragon Claw Fire Fang Earthquake Aerial Ace Dragonite @Weakness Policy / Multiscale Adamant 252 ATK 252 SPD Dragon Dance Dragon Claws Thunder punch Earthquake (sadly no extremespeed yet =/) I mostly play the online ranked battles, and pick 3 of those pokemon. How could I improve my team, or give it more synergy? Edited October 25, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Too many choices damn it. I just want a team that will get me through the Battle Maison. I'm already preparing a Greninja but I've got so many other options I'm looking at as well. Looking at Mega Kangaskhan for one, not sure about the last for singles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 My team that i used on PS! Tyranitar @ Assault VestAbility: Sand StreamEVs: 252 HP / 252 SDefSassy Nature- Crunch- Pursuit- Stone Edge- Fire BlastExcadrill @ Life OrbAbility: Sand RushEVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HPAdamant Nature- Earthquake- Iron Head- Rock Slide- Swords DanceGengar @ Black SludgeAbility: LevitateEVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HPTimid Nature- Disable- Substitute- Shadow Ball- Focus BlastGliscor @ Flying GemAbility: Poison HealEVs: 184 Def / 252 HP / 72 SpdImpish Nature- Acrobatics- Stealth Rock- Earthquake- RoostCelebi @ LeftoversAbility: Natural CureEVs: 252 SAtk / 220 HP / 36 SpdModest Nature- Nasty Plot- Giga Drain- Psychic- Baton PassPoliwrath @ LeftoversAbility: Water AbsorbEVs: 248 HP / 8 SDef / 180 DefImpish Nature- Circle Throw- Waterfall- Ice Punch- Substitute Old Member: Metagross 252 HP/252 ATK/ 6 whatever Thunderpunch Ice Punch Bullet Punch Zen Headbutt Quite of a sidenote, i think you guys underestimated Hydreigon for this gen. Dark Pulse getting better Neutral Coverage is pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Oh oh do me. Leafeon@Shell Bell(Life Orb goes here) Jolly 252 attack/speed, 4 defense Leaf Guard -Leaf Blade -X-Scissor -Return -Synthesis(I should put Swords Dance here iunno) Mienshao@Black Belt Lax 164 HP, 88 Attack, 252 Defense Regenerator -Hi Jump Kick -Drain Punch -Fake Out -U Turn Porygon2@Eviolite Sassy 48 Defense, 210 Special Attack, 252 Special Defense Download -Ice Beam -Thunderbolt -Tri Attack -Recover Chandelure@Expert Belt Timid 48 Defense, 210 Special Attack, 252 Speed Flash Fire -Flamethrower -Energy Ball -Psychic -Shadow Ball Rhyperior@Leftovers Brave(I settled for this, eat me) 252 HP/Defense, 4 Attack Solid Rock -Earthquake -Stone Edge -Dragon Tail -Stealth Rock(huehuehue) Drapion@Black Sludge Jolly 88 HP, 164 Attack, 252 Defense Battle Armor -Toxic Spikes -Crunch -Poison Jab -Ice Fang My team. I'm sending it to Y when I get it/PokeBank comes out. I can't help but feel something is off, yet I'm still proud of this team. Sitting in my White version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregosa Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Thanks in large part to Klefki(one of my fave new pokemon).I can now achieve my goal of developing a rain team. Greninja, Heliolisk and Ludicolo get the job done most of the time but when there down (life orb ko, rain disappears etc) it's usually game over for me. Most often it's other fragile sweepers that take advantage of this(i.e. gengar, alakazam). I'm planning on equipping a few critters with aqua jet(which gets a boost in the rain) to counter these fast threats. The three I have in mind aqua jet equipping is a soon to be Mega blastoise(whose attack power goes up when mega evolving, plus is extra bulky), adamant swift swim beartic and an adamant dragonite. I'd like some advice on movesets and ev spread. With mega blastoise I'd like to know whether it's better that I should go full physical with bulk EVs or be a mixed attacker to take advantage of mega launcher. I want Dragonite to have aqua jet in case it's in a situation where it will be unable to hit first, cause you can't predict the outcome of battle. Should I go with the classic dragon dance/agility moveset or something bulky recovery (i.e. roost, thunder wave) based? With Beartic I want to use bait and trick tactics, is pursuit a good move to add? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Thanks in large part to Klefki(one of my fave new pokemon).I can now achieve my goal of developing a rain team. Greninja, Heliolisk and Ludicolo get the job done most of the time but when there down (life orb ko, rain disappears etc) it's usually game over for me. Most often it's other fragile sweepers that take advantage of this(i.e. gengar, alakazam). I'm planning on equipping a few critters with aqua jet(which gets a boost in the rain) to counter these fast threats. The three I have in mind aqua jet equipping is a soon to be Mega blastoise(whose attack power goes up when mega evolving, plus is extra bulky), adamant swift swim beartic and an adamant dragonite. I'd like some advice on movesets and ev spread. With mega blastoise I'd like to know whether it's better that I should go full physical with bulk EVs or be a mixed attacker to take advantage of mega launcher. I want Dragonite to have aqua jet in case it's in a situation where it will be unable to hit first, cause you can't predict the outcome of battle. Should I go with the classic dragon dance/agility moveset or something bulky recovery (i.e. roost, thunder wave) based? With Beartic I want to use bait and trick tactics, is pursuit a good move to add? No politoed? It's not as good as it used to be, but I think it's still good enough for a dedicated rain team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregosa Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) It's not that I don't want to use one(sounds awesome) but atm I don't have anyone who's willing to a do a trade evolution-return back procedure. I don't think any local people I know currently have the game either. Edited October 26, 2013 by Gregosa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruity Insanity Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 It's not that I don't want to use one(sounds awesome) but atm I don't have anyone who's willing to a do a trade evolution-return back procedure. I don't think any local people I know currently have the game either. I'm sure someone here would be more than willing to help you out. Me, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregosa Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I'm sure someone here would be more than willing to help you out. Me, for example. I think those three will do for now. I'm already very pleased with the generosity on this forum. For example I got lucky in the safari and managed to breed a protean modest Greninja.It would be much appreciated if someone has a female poliwag with the hidden ability but aren't the safari encounters rare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) I've only got one so far, and am considering another (depending on how Eevee's egg moves pan out) Gardevoir (Modest, gotta calculate IVs, standard special sweeper EV set, item TBA) Psychic Moonblast Thunderbolt Energy Ball Thunderbolt is to make sure that most Steels don't wall him. Energy Ball covers what Thunderbolt won't hit (Ground). Not sure what to do with Flareon, besides get one that doesn't have single-digit IVs in half its stats. Flare Blitz works maybe twice, at most (then Flareon dies from recoil). EDIT: I think those three will do for now. I'm already very pleased with the generosity on this forum. For example I got lucky in the safari and managed to breed a protean modest Greninja.It would be much appreciated if someone has a female poliwag with the hidden ability but aren't the safari encounters rare? If I see one, it's yours. I swear my hidden ability is to trigger that horde in the Pokemon Village. Edited October 26, 2013 by eclipse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 we have Poliwhirl safaris in the FC topic, you know. I got a HA one just earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregosa Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 ^Cyrus hasn't added me yet. Thanks for the offer eclipse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruity Insanity Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 ^Cyrus hasn't added me yet. Thanks for the offer eclipse. Why don't you try PM-ing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) The only fairies that outspeed Hydreigon are Mega Gardevoir and Whimsicott, I think Hydreigon will be fine in this metagame if I play smart aka she's screwed. The bigger question is Togekiss. Such an amazing pokemon this generation. I can't decide if I should make it a Nasty Plot booster, a wish passer or an all out bulky attacker. Hydreigon doesn't need the scarf to outspeed other fairies, but to outspeed other dragons (most of which are potentially quicker than it). Having x4 weakness to Fairy and no particular moves that can cope with that type, just means that leaving Hydreigon in when the opponent sends out a Fairy is suicide. Just switch it with someone else. With the scarf you also outspeed Gengar and Alakazam (base forme) that with their fairy Gleam would destroy you in an instant. So... My "team" (just a bunch of EV trained pokemon with perfect IVs) is Gengar @focus sach /levitate timid 252 SPA 252SPE Sludge bomb thunderbolt shadow ball destiny bond Blaziken @blazikenite / speed boost Adamant 252 ATK 252 SPE Protect High jump kick hone claws flare blitz Greninja @expect belt / protean Timid 252 SPA 252 SPE Ice Beam Surf Extrasensory Dark Pulse Gardevoir @choice scarf / trace Modest 252 SPA 252 SPE Moonblast psychic filler filler Garchomp @Life Orb / Sand Veil Jolly 252 ATK 252 SPD Dragon Claw Fire Fang Earthquake Aerial Ace Dragonite @Weakness Policy / Multiscale Adamant 252 ATK 252 SPD Dragon Dance Dragon Claws Thunder punch Earthquake (sadly no extremespeed yet =/) I mostly play the online ranked battles, and pick 3 of those pokemon. How could I improve my team, or give it more synergy? First things I notice is that you have 3 pokémon weak to Fairy, and the only one that resist that type is Gengar who is a little frail. Moreover, you don't have anyone who could resist that spammed Gale Wings Talonflame (apart from Dragonite to some extent). Aerial Ace on Garchomp... why? Sword Dance would be better, maybe. Give Greninja the Grass Knot for better coverage and resistances thanks to Protean, instead of Dark Pulse (which basically mantains its natural type making it obvious). As for the synergy, it's difficult to have that in 3vs3 matches, especially with a team of sweepers like yours. Too many choices damn it. I just want a team that will get me through the Battle Maison. I'm already preparing a Greninja but I've got so many other options I'm looking at as well. Looking at Mega Kangaskhan for one, not sure about the last for singles. If you go for Greninja and Kangaskhan, you might consider to have a third who resists fighting. My team that i used on PS! Tyranitar @ Assault Vest Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef Sassy Nature - Crunch - Pursuit - Stone Edge - Fire Blast Excadrill @ Life Orb Ability: Sand Rush EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP Adamant Nature - Earthquake - Iron Head - Rock Slide - Swords Dance Gengar @ Black Sludge Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP Timid Nature - Disable - Substitute - Shadow Ball - Focus Blast Gliscor @ Flying Gem Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 184 Def / 252 HP / 72 Spd Impish Nature - Acrobatics - Stealth Rock - Earthquake - Roost Celebi @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Cure EVs: 252 SAtk / 220 HP / 36 Spd Modest Nature - Nasty Plot - Giga Drain - Psychic - Baton Pass Poliwrath @ Leftovers Ability: Water Absorb EVs: 248 HP / 8 SDef / 180 Def Impish Nature - Circle Throw - Waterfall - Ice Punch - Substitute Old Member: Metagross 252 HP/252 ATK/ 6 whatever Thunderpunch Ice Punch Bullet Punch Zen Headbutt Quite of a sidenote, i think you guys underestimated Hydreigon for this gen. Dark Pulse getting better Neutral Coverage is pretty cool. The metagame from pokémon showdown is a little different from the one in the current version of the games. (i.e. people play differently) Your team has unobtainable pokémon (due to the Bank still being closed) and items (Flying Gem) so it can't really serve as an example. This topic is for in-game teams, after all. Oh oh do me. Leafeon@Shell Bell(Life Orb goes here) Jolly 252 attack/speed, 4 defense Leaf Guard -Leaf Blade -X-Scissor -Return -Synthesis(I should put Swords Dance here iunno) Mienshao@Black Belt Lax 164 HP, 88 Attack, 252 Defense Regenerator -Hi Jump Kick -Drain Punch -Fake Out -U Turn Porygon2@Eviolite Sassy 48 Defense, 210 Special Attack, 252 Special Defense Download -Ice Beam -Thunderbolt -Tri Attack -Recover Chandelure@Expert Belt Timid 48 Defense, 210 Special Attack, 252 Speed Flash Fire -Flamethrower -Energy Ball -Psychic -Shadow Ball Rhyperior@Leftovers Brave(I settled for this, eat me) 252 HP/Defense, 4 Attack Solid Rock -Earthquake -Stone Edge -Dragon Tail -Stealth Rock(huehuehue) Drapion@Black Sludge Jolly 88 HP, 164 Attack, 252 Defense Battle Armor -Toxic Spikes -Crunch -Poison Jab -Ice Fang My team. I'm sending it to Y when I get it/PokeBank comes out. I can't help but feel something is off, yet I'm still proud of this team. Sitting in my White version. You're weak to ground and there is nobody who resists it apart from Leafeon, who isn't *that* good... I mean, Jolly nature isn't one of the best for it, since it stays slow in any case, and its moveset isn't that great either (it gets totally walled by steel types, for example). I would suggest changing a couple of pokémon to adjust your resistances. Also try to have entry hazards on one single pokémon if possible. For stealth rock + toxic spikes you have Nidoqueen or Nidoking, for example, and for Toxic Spikes + Spikes Venipede, who is particularly strong in gen 6 thanks to its new hidden ability Speed Boost. Porygon2 is a great choice, I like it. ;) In general, your team also has slow pokémon... I'd suggest giving Trick Room to Chandelure or put some quicker pokémon as well. Edited October 26, 2013 by Alfred Kamon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Flying Gem is not obtainable in Y yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 It isn't, to my knowledge. As well as all the other gems apart from the Normal Gem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Normal gem Hmm, that gave me some stupid metagame ideas.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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