Mitsuki

Oh and if you have been poisoned: Don't claim it yet, I need to think about numbers and stuff Unless you're SSG Actually we should probably get a replacement for him.

Upon further thinking about it, I'm almost sure that 3rdCorinthian has been killed by scum. If they had a means to meddle with his action and only chose to kill him now it means that they were probably trying to frame BBM. Eclipse or Gaius, please answer as soon as possible!

Who did you get redirected to? Results? I don't think BBM is scum. Why would he have killed 3rdCorinthian? Yeah, I guess that 3rdCorinthian could have protected correctly. But if BBM was scum I think he'd have made sure to kill someone who he was sure 3rdCorinthian wouldn't be protecting.

Fuck I misread the votals and saw a four instead of a five, that's hammer I don't think it matters much though

No hammer no lynch? Good thing I realized orz ##vote: Shin

@SB: Why did you reply to me that you thought there was no 3rd party based on your role when I asked you about numbers?

My current hypothesis is that there's a poisoner SK and that's SB. There's probably still a harmless 3rd, though, specially if the scumteam is 3p like Baldrick said. BBM's reply is good, and he's right. No idea on who's mafia. Maybe SSG? Please let it be SSG. If he gets a replacement I'll be so mad. Please just let him be modkilled. ##unvote I don't want to NL, I don't want to lynch Shin but I don't want to lynch anyone? Sorry guys, I'm clueless this time.

##Vote: BBM I won't be able to pay attention until almost deadline, so I guess I'm placing my vote here. I feel better about this than about lynching Shin. I don't feel good about anything, though. Except screaming! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

I'm definitely not up to lynching SB though, regardless of that. If the game keeps going when we get the announcement that mafia are eliminated I'll think about it, but otherwise it could just mean wasting a lynch on paranoia.

@Refa: Yeah, my point was that there's no reason why he'd fake that as scum. It'd be really lame, and I don't see Izhuark doing something that lame. Mostly no idea, but I don't like his role and I was writing a post about that but I'm not really sure??? Basically I've reconsidered and a lot of the powerful roles seem to have their limitations. There's definitely too many protective roles and his is the most likely to be a fake because the rest seem less powerful. I'm assuming that regular docs can't protect against poison but yeah. That or SB is poisoner who claimed poison doc, or both. How poison doc works for Shin and your PPV make me think that the poison kill would actually be too terrible if there was a fulltime poison doc, since what would be the point of poisoner then??? Getting a kill with poison would be so hard it'd be stupid. Also I figure SB would have claimed his targets if he actually was poison doc? @SB: Claim your targets

But first, why I'm quite sure there are not two scumteams: - Flipped mafia appear as "Mafia" in the opening post. If this was multifaction everyone would probably appear as their flavour name, to conceal the fact that there's a second mafia. - The way the town wincon is worded. It basically says that town wins when the living players are not a threat to town, which contrasts to Duelist Kingdom mafia's town wincon (link), which basically said that town wins when only town remains. This implies that a harmless 3rd exists, and given that I doubt there would be a second mafia.

I'm still not sure if I want to lynch Shin but that's mostly because of Izhuark now. His reply to Shin didn't sound like Shin was faking having a rolecop result on Kirsche, and if Shin has a result on Kirsche that would basically mean he's not scum, because why would scum rolecop the person they are going to kill. Thoughts? Unless scum are the ones that kill with poison and the ITP or whatever uses normal kills but I don't see Baldrick claiming Kirsche's kill if it wasn't his? Also I don't think this is multifaction because of how the wincon is worded but if this is multifaction and it wasn't announced I'm going to be so mad. I hate multifaction, and I don't want to play multifaction setups unless it's OC. Ugh, ##unvote for now and I'm going to ISO people while I have the time to. Tempted to switch to BBM but I'm not sure.

That's weird because there was definitely not an announcement. @Elieson: Is this another mod error?

I would say "I don't want to lynch BBM and Eclipse" but I'm not even sure if I want to lynch Shin either so well.

I'm going to go watch bad anime but before I do just know that I'm adding 3rdCorinthian in my list of people I wouldn't lynch, and between the other three people left my preference goes like this: Shin > BBM > Eclipsegaius Shin is scummy, BBM is null, Eclipsegaius is a slight town lean. I need to reread both Shin and BBM but I don't think that's going to change. As I said before, ask me about my unexplained reads if you want an explanation.

Fair enough on the first point. Not on the second point though, but whatever. I feel like it's a better idea to look at your next content posts and judge from there than to keep wasting your time with further questioning since that's not likely to go anywhere.

You are saying that my points are not valid because you've been busy. I'm not seeing it, so I want you to explain it.

@Shin: How does you being busy contradict any of the points in my case? You can be busy but still use that as an excuse, which is what I think is happening. Your focus on attention on that post was put on spreading suspicion and commenting on non conclusive stuff instead of commenting on who could be scum, and that's still a fact. Please specify, because I'm not seeing it and it looks like an easy way to dismiss my vote. I don't think you were dishonest when commenting on what I quoted but I think you wouldn't have paid attention to that as town, while as scum you have more than enough reasons to do that, as I explained in the post.

I feel like I've somehow skipped a bunch of posts but I don't know where. Sure. How does this apply to Crysta, though? Even if she brought up individual points (I don't remember about that) that does not mean she's not considering the rest. Not relevant = Writing about it would give no further information. I'm not really feeling BBM as scum though, and apparently we agree on who should be voted: ##unvote ##vote: Shin I began to be wary of Shin when I asked him about who he was scumreading for the moment (after he said he was still reading) and he didn't answer. To me, it looks like he was avoiding tying himself to any opinions until he had considered everything carefully. Also, minor point but I think that town who replace in would tend to give their opinions in chunks while they're reading, instead of waiting to make a content post. Now, I'm scumreading him on his content post. It looks like a lot of the facts that were pointed out were just padding, and it overall gives me a bad feeling. Most of the points consist of stuff that could go either way. He says that he doesn't have enough time to come up with better reads but he spends a lot of time on irrelevant stuff, so it looks like an excuse. I'm going to quote the worst part of the post: This looks like shooting down townreads for no real reason other than spreading suspicion and padding the post when he doesn't give a real opinion on anything. He doesn't explain why I, as scum, would lie about having a target. He doesn't give an opinion on Crysta. He waffles on Refa and even though he concludes he's still probably town it looks as if he's just bringing this point up again (which nobody cares about anymore) as padding and to potentially revive discussion on something that Refa could be scumread on. I don't want to lynch one of BBM and 3rdCorinthian for role stuff when we haven't massclaimed yet, and specially considering the nature of this setup. It seems like Elie tried to balance excessive power with excessive power, and we'd need more scum flips to compare properly. Honestly, I could see all the protective roles coexisting. People I would definitely not lynch are SB, Refa, SSG, Snike and Crysta. Feel free to ask why.

I feel super dumb for asking this but how much time is left until phase end? There's still around a day left, right?

Who do you think is scum (for now)?

I've skimmed. Still in a similar mood, but I'll try. I don't like BBM's Crysta case because the main points seem like misreps to me and a lot of the rest ignores context (for example, BBM suspects Crysta on voting SSG when she said that she had a reason for that, which was a pretty obvious one by the way) or is just not telling all (for example, not giving an explicit reason to stop having Eury as a priority). How was Crysta not pushing Eury? If you mean that she replied to me it's because I pointed out that her case sucked first. To me it looks like you're trying to paint the fact that she replied as scummy, when (at least in her reply to me) I only see her defending her case. I think that's something pretty normal to do. Misrep. When you make a case, you don't post an analysis on everything a player has done. That doesn't mean you're cherrypicking or not trying to make sense of the player as a whole, it just means you're focusing on what is relevant. To be honest I'm ok with keeping our vote on BBM just for that awful case. I'm way less convinced than usual, but yeah. @Eclipse: it matters to potentially have further information about what's the deal with the poisoner, and to see if he's not faking that a poisoner exists (I doubt he is, but). Crysta reminds me of myself in my first games in MotK, where I always rolled town and I had to spend forever replying to people because everyone questioned every little thing I did. For that alone I wouldn't lynch her.

Also make Vhaltz Janet because he's just that fabulous.

I want to be Frayja.

Done scumhunting for today, I will try to see if I can do something tomorrow but I'm pretty sure I'm in that mood that only leads me to take the wrong decisions. I'll reread, but now's just not the time. However, ##Vote: BBM because I can see decent reasons to townread everyone but his slot, so PoE. Koneko also has him as one of the players she has no read on. Poor logic but better than not voting.