Mitsuki

I just don't feel like playing a game that has gone wrong in so many ways and that I don't want to reread because too much spam

what if we give up on this game entirely and forget it ever happened.

Yeah, and it makes even less sense when you know that if we hadn't killed anyone with the PGO thing, we'd have died. Great role, I know.

Yeah, to be honest me neither.

Hey that was a reply to someone calling me dumb repeatedly. Don't take things out of context.

To be honest I should have put my latest reply in nicer words, so I guess we're even? (still true, but you get my point)

Note to Refa: You should seriously stop reconsidering how you react to pressure as town because you've done stuff like this several times before and not only it's not nice, but it doesn't help you the least bit. If I were scum I would have made sure to push a lynch there using your reaction, as several people have done to you before. It's bad play. And you should change it.

I'm not in a bad mood, but if someone outright calls me dumb I'm not precisely going to be nice to them. @Refa: I'm not even taking the scumslip thing as 100% confirmed, and I definitely want to think more about it. But there are benefits to presenting stuff as if it were plain truth, like seeing people's reactions. And I think it worked. ##unvote because Refa is only this confrontational when suspected as town. (If you're scum though, just know that this was super lame). It kind of feels like he's going to implode, like in Quickhammer mafia (bringing this up for the sake of explaining stuff, please understand) No idea on who's scum at the moment.

PGO = Paranoid Gun Owner Refa, even if you were town, my play has been way better than yours so just shut up

Refa just scumslipped. I know he could technically be the poisoner but there's no way the poisoner is town since we already had vig + we have our PGO-like thing. Another townsided killing role? No way.

Nightkills?

By the way, our role was crumbed in the end of this post, when I replied to Prims. Note that by then I was still more or less scumreading him.

I do believe there's a poisoner right now but it just seems to make no sense as any alignment, even as 3rd party, if it's not a minor extra scum kill. @SB: Which alignment do you think the poisoner is? I don't understand this setup. @Refa: Because he was pretending to be a SK and he claimed that was his fake. I think he claimed motivator not to make you look townier or scummier, but to make himself less likely to be lynched.

I never said that you should have announced the motivate at the beginning of the day, or anything similar. Read my post properly. You could just have said "role related stuff", then. @SB: Why do you think there's a poisoner?

I don't think SB is faking that a poisoner exists but at the same time I don't think that's a major role. Probably an extra scum kill? I don't know. Either way Refa should still answer my question.

I know because I asked Gilgamesh to target me. I guess Zerosabers could have targeted me and died because of that but I think it's way more likely that Eury vigged her.

Sorry Gilgamesh, it was for the greater good. Except it turned out to be terrible in the end. -------------------------- I'm usually bad at reading Refa, so I just looked for a different way to read him. And I think there's too much damning evidence for him not to be scum. First of all, Kirsche was killed N1, when he wasn't particulary townie, or active, or whatever. It makes little sense as a fearkill either, since if it was about fearkills the target would probably have been someone else. But Kirsche's main suspicion was Refa, and he was pushing him hard. It'd make sense for scum!Refa to kill the only person who was suspecting him. Refa briefly comments on why Kirsche died here, saying that from his point of view he thinks that Kirsche was killed so that scum could accuse him. But Refa wasn't particularly suspected, so I think that'd be unlikely. [spoiler=Kind of a side comment]Usually you'd think that the kind of answer Refa is giving in the post I've linked is townie, since scum wouldn't be so blatant about pointing out stuff that people could scumread them on, but much to the contrary. It reminds me of a MotK game where I, as scum, killed the cop, who had claimed to me not long before (he had a chance to send me a message and he claimed there). The first thing I did was admitting to knowing he was the cop, since I knew that would look townie and nobody would ask further questions about it. I won that game, and nobody even suspected me. I think Refa is the kind of player who knows this kind of stuff and applies it well. I'm pretty sure nobody else will think this is a very important point or will disagree, and it definitely is not enough to accuse him. But it's specially relevant from my point of view, and it made me skeptical. Second, as SB pointed out, Refa's instance on Gilgamesh was definitely suspicious, and to me it feels like for a while he was backing up what Baldrick was saying and pushing Gilgamesh with no real thoughts behind that. When he switched votes, it further looked unnatural to me. But the most important part is how Refa agreed with Baldrick about the existence of a poison kill. It looked as if he was claiming that a poison kill could exist out of nowhere, and there was no reasoning behind that. If he really thought that a poison kill could exist, he'd have given some explanation about that along the claim that a poison kill could exist. So again, to me it just looked as if he was trying to back up what Baldrick was saying in order to see if there was a chance to make people change their minds about him. @Refa: Explain your logic on the poison kill. Finally, Baldrick motivated Refa, which Refa confirmed. I'm pretty sure that scum wouldn't motivate a random townie, not even as a fake, when they could do other much better stuff with their role. And yeah, Baldrick's PM was definitely not a fake.

Wow. WOW. We claim the Gilgamesh death, since we're some sort of PGO. The "I'm targgetting Zerosabers" thing was bullshit I made up so that scum would be less likely to guess our role and try to target us, but that didn't work. I guessed that Gilgamesh was probably town either way at the end of the phase but I thought it'd be a good idea to go with the plan either way since he was almost guaranteed to become a mislynch. Needless to say, if I had known we had a vig I wouldn't even have thought about using our role. And even more knowing the details of our role. Not to further critisize Elieson, but this setup is definitely too swingy. ##Vote: Refa SB's points on him are good and they're pretty similar to some of the stuff I thought during the night. Tempted to just copypaste what I wrote in our thoughts QT, but that's just poorly worded. Sigh. I'll explain it in the next post.

We are not a bomb but sure, let's say we are. Nobody else should target us either way so

There are no loopholes in our plan.

I'll go vote IRL later. Yay family dramas. This is why I hate coming back to my hometown. THE PLAN Gilgamesh redirects us to Zerosabers. We were planning on targetting Zerosabers either way, so this isn't really a problem. This way we make sure that if Gilgamesh is scum, he won't use his role to interfere with town. We'll target someone else in our PM instead (not saying who, obviously), and if Gilgamesh doesn't redirect us, we just go ahead and lynch him. Of course that's not the main purpose of the plan. Our role is weird (thanks Elie), and let's just say that having Gilgamesh target us will be good. Nobody else should target us, because if x happens it won't work. Again, not disclosing what x is. Just don't risk it. Provided we're alive by D3 beginning, we'll explain everything, since there'll be no need to keep info secret anymore. That's it! I'm ok with hammering Baldrick already, provided everyone is ok with what I wrote.

I promise I'll lynch you today, Baldrick.

Why are people doubting on lynching the SK? A SK doesn't even make sense on this setup unless you believe this is 11/4/1/1, because town wincon heavily implies that there's a 3rd party we can win with, for how it's worded as opposed to other Elie games. Go look it up if you want. Scum having a poison kill makes no sense to me either, I think Baldrick was trying to come up with an explanation for the lack of a kill. Why would the SK be informed that scum kill with poison, anyways. So Baldrick is just doing whatever sticks to save his ass, and I can't believe you guys are considering lynching someone else instead of him. And even if he were the SK, we will eventually need to lynch him, and I'm not willing to waste a lynch when my plan with Gilgamesh's role is way too good to just ignore it. Baldrick stop shitposting, seriously. You're as good as confirmed scum now, even without the guilty. What about my plan is so good? For starters, SB apparently is not a cop and if Gilgamesh doesn't go along my plan and uses his hijack in a different way he's as good as confirmed scum, without the need for an investigative role to cop him. Even if SB was actually a cop it'd be good, since if scum went along with killing him thanks to Gilgamesh's role it would just be like obtaining another guilty, and we'd still have our bodyguard alive. And then there are the reasons I can't disclose, which is the reason why I came up with the plan in the first place. I'm sorry, it'll have to wait. But believe me, it will REALLY be worth it. Writing the plan in my next post because I need to go vote IRL and my mother is being annoying and not letting me focus. I didn't recheck what I wrote but I guess it'll be ok?

Yeah, I meant town. We'll be going with my plan, then. Gilgamesh should confirm whether or not he's ok with it, and if so I'll explain the rest. I'll say beforehand that there's some information I won't be able to disclose until next dayphase, though. I'm sorry, but it'll be for the best.

It's heavily implied that I don't think he was faking it. I didn't think I had to make it outright explicit for everyone to undertsand it but it seems like I was wrong. As I said I already have an idea in my mind of what to do with his role, and I think mine will lead to better results? Actually, we could just do your thing first, and mine later. Either way he should speak up. @Refa: what do you think of my point against Gilgamesh? </3