Mitsuki

Okay, it looks like I'll be the only one to /in this time around.

No spoilers for now, sorry

Can I /in for me and another person provisionally? We talked about joining next SF game but I don't know if he'll want to in now and it would be painful if signups filled up too quickly.

But SB, who are you going to share your FRIENDSHIP with when everybody else is dead???

... yay

... I thought there was. Ok, ##Vote: Blitz

Ok, I'm quite sure I'm not wrong about SB being town now. If he was scum he could have followed Baldrick's suggestion to lynch the other scum D3 with a guarantee that he'd win, since Baldrick had him as confirmed town and was willing to sheep him. So ##Vote: FleurDeGlace (I'm sorry because you haven't even posted yet, but...)

Nevermind, Blitz is roleless.

I thought my results confirmed Blitz as scum but Vhaltz is making me doubt their wording, ugh. One related question, could the other scum be immune to investigations too, or doesn't it make sense role wise?

three days, actually

But I saw he was reading the thread like an hour before... Anyways, ##Vote: Refa, whatever.

cut: I'll wait because I want Blitz to say something before the day ends.

ISOing SB in light of Refa being scum makes me think he's town. Now that I know Refa is scum I think he had town intent, and his Refa push doesn't seem like bussing. Blitz's D1 posts on Refa say he's been scummy a few times but he still doesn't have him among his reads, and he mentions him a lot (Bladrick already pointed this out). He once asks Kay who would she lynch if she didn't get to lynch Refa (note that this is different from asking who else she thinks is scum). Add this to what I already pointed out. I'll hammer in about an hour if nobody has anything else to say.

6- Yeah, but my read changed. 7- Now I think different and agree with you on that, I just wanted to explain what I thought at the time. 8- They weren't strong, yeah, that's why he was neutral leaning town. I also had scumreads which I wanted to lynch more than Refa. 9- I think Prims' play was different (as an example I point out to how his first post D2 was him wanting to hammer Refa and how he changed his claim three times). 11- Yeah, because I hadn't checked Refa again and I planned to do so later (which I did). It's way different from what Prims did. 12- I didn't get it was a joke. 13- I don't know what to say about this other than that's not what I intended. I was just happy we finally got to lynch Prims. Even if I'm not doing much now it's wrong to say I haven't done anything other than defending myself. Blitz, are you here NOW? Just answering with a "yes" is fine.

I'd rather answer what I have to answer before the day ends, but no time now. For now, though, I think Blitz has more chances of being scum because of inactivity (also, appearing right after mods said he needs a replacement) and Refa quicklynch paranoia D1, but I'll have to think more. Blitz, why did you suddenly disappear for 3 days?

Okay, let me reply to this. 1- Already explained why at the time, and I don't see why that would be scummy. 2, 3- Similar to 1, I don't get why that would be scummy. 4- It was necessary. I had to comment on how my opinion changed. I checked other people but if I said nothing about them it was because they were neutral to me. 5- Proto was a mason and was doing almost nothing, which was a waste for town. We needed him and BBM the most. 6- Think about this from my perspective: we had to lynch someone or else I would be lynched. Refa and Kirsche were the only options, and Refa was the suggested lynch according to my scumread at the time (Prims). Of course I preferred Kirsche but I had to say I could switch to Refa if it was needed, otherwise I was risking getting lynched. 7- I didn't see it as scum lurking since Refa openly admitted to be there, and I thought scum wouldn't want to be noticed. I don't get what you mean by the second point in this sentence, if you want you can try explaining again and I'll answer. 8- Again, I'm not sure I understand this sentence too much. Note that my case on SB was more than what you pointed out, and I rectified on that point. 9- No, I didn't borrow your reasoning, I thought about it and then realised you had thought something similar. Note that for scum it'd be suicidal to make such a move not to get a scumbuddy lynched. The safe thing to do as scum would also be pushing my solid scumreads at the time (SB and Kay). I preferred a Prims lynch to a Refa lynch at the moment, so I went for it. 10- No, I wanted people to look closely at it. My role logic sucks but I can't just shut up about my thoughts because the point I bring up might be important. If it's wrong people will tell me. 11- I expected to see at least updates to it, yes, or to mention that he thought the points still stood. Appearing ~24 hours after the day started, wanting to hammer a player and making up role shenanigans to lynch a player isn't my standard of towniness. 12- Similar to 2/3 and 9. I didn't borrow your reasoning, I just thought something similar to you. I don't get why that's scummy, either. 13- I wanted Prims lynched, but a no lynch was much worse than a Refa lynch because it gives away one of town's opportunities to lynch. I knew I was going to be back on time, but I decided to wait until the last minute to see if someone else popped up. I think SB did the same thing, actually, I just waited more. 14- Suggesting SB/Refa was probably stupid, because yeah, it doesn't really seem like a bus. Still, I hadn't thought that when I made the post, just about my reads from before. I'll make a post about it later. Blitz, are you even around?

It's not that I've changed my opinion after a reread, it's a reconsideration of the role (as you already pointed out) and the possible scumteams (Prims was town, Kay was town, Blitz is townier than both you and Refa)

Why did one of my posts get posted twice

Let's not vote until Baldrick gets here and gives us some updated reads and thoughts, though.

Why are you voting Blitz if you suspected SB Refa? Scumteam Refa/SB??? I should think. @SB: I tageted Kay and, well, you can guess what happened.

I think I have to agree with that, actually.

Why are you voting Blitz if you suspected SB Refa? Scumteam Refa/SB??? I should think. @SB: I tageted Kay and, well, you can guess what happened.

I was here to hammer Refa just in case, but yay

And now I'm leaving. I'll try but I don't think I'll be back for the deadline.

Refa ISO's left me no new thoughts on him. Prims' first post D2 was the one where he said he wanted to quicklynch Refa, without any reasoning at all. I get he said he thought Refa was scum D1, but I'd expect to see at least some case update before wanting to vote him. There's also the fact he should know that I'm awful with roles. He's also switching his opinion for what I think are not such strong reasons way too frequently. Also: Similar to what Baldrick brought up. If Prims was town and really suspected Refa he wouldn't say this, because saying this means he trusts the claim. So yeah, I don't want to switch my vote. By the way Prims, my role doesn't work as you understand. It checks to see if a player has an active role even if it's not used. The factional kill doesn't count.