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IIRC you think Proto is town, so mind explaining why you have a townread on Fera? I don't really see anything townie he's done so far.

Ugh, waiting for Fera is lame. I'm not sure he's even posted today which is >_> Paperblade, what are your opinions on Fera? I don't think you've said anything about him other than saying he was a lurker on D1, which is kind of weird since he's a somewhat major wagon.

I have no clue what Shinori's trying to do right now, but I'll go along with it until after it's done. I pick NNR.

Can someone else say what they're gathering from this? It looks like BT is also saying that not all anti-town killers can kill and use their role simultaneously, but Strege is making me doubt my reading comprehension skills. I was reading through some of Marth's posts and there was something I noticed- he defended his Baldrick vote by saying that he thought that voting for someone with a couple votes on them was better than voting someone with no votes on them. In light of that, his pressuring Xinny simply for being an extra vote on the wagon looks pretty bad, considering he never actually attacked the content of Xinny's vote, just its timing.

No, but even if you think his tone or style of hunting or whatever is townie, if you disagree with everything he's saying, him being your strongest townread doesn't make much sense. And there's a difference between agreeing with somebody and sheeping them, btw.

@NNR- huh? I haven't spoken about my role at all, as far as I know, unless you're talking about Manix there, in which case flipping between the two of us in that same quote was kind of confusing. My opinion about you is that your reads don't feel consistent. You think Paperblade is Townie McTown and said that you love his posts, but don't actually agree with any of the scumreads he's had (Baldrick, SB, Objection). Some of your reads (most particularly Objection) are for crap reasons (like calling one of his walls surprisingly competent). And finally, maybe it's because I agreed with Shinori's initial reasons for voting you (though he should have dropped it long before he did), but your arguments against him feel like an OMGUS to me. So I think you're more likely to be scum than Shinori is.

What? Manix's D1 was lacking for sure, but he went on a large spree of posts with reads near the beginning of D2. I don't think his posts have been fluffier than usual at all. Also lol I think you need to reread Manix's C9++ D2 if you think his town meta is that he usually has a lot of reads. Plus his role sounds like it'd be broken as hell for mafia and it's already proven.

Uh, I don't see how what I said contradicts what BT said? Also, idk what Marth is thinking. At the end of D2, I assumed that a dayvig killed necktie for not going much at all. I don't think his death had anything to do with Blitz's lynch. Marth, okay, it didn't occur to you to state at that point why the Blitz lynch would make things clearer. State it now. All I see from you today other than defence is a return to your D2 vote, that has nothing whatsoever to do with Blitz interactions. You're not tying in Blitz's flip into anything atm, which is suspicious. Shinori, what was the point of referring to yourself in the third person in your message to mask yourself when you were going to claim being the potion guy in thread lol? To answer your question about the two people, I'm not interested in the wagon starters so much.

Some clarification would be cool, Shinori. You too Paperblade. How'd whatever you were planning last night go? I went over a few ISOs over the night because the Blitz flip was not what I was expecting, and the person whose Blitz interactions stood out to me the most, out of those I didn't previously find that bad, was Marth. Honestly, reading his posts, they kind of read like a chainsaw defence of Blitz for towncred. Going through his 223, he thinks at this point, in his Page 7 summary, that Blitz's traps are just his regular meta (he agrees with Shinori about this). He next mentions Blitz in 419. At this point, there are 3 votes for Blitz, and both Paperblade and Manix have expressed discontent with him. His opinion here is now different, that Blitz's play isn't great. However, he doesn't really state a solid "Blitz is scummy", and votes Rein. He also attacks Fera in this post a bit for his recycled Blitz comments. He then continues to attack other people for their Blitz votes. He mentions again how he thought, and still thinks, that Kevin's Blitz vote near the beginning of D1 was opportunistic, and attacks several people, Xinny being the main one, for their weak votes on Blitz. Now, his small push on Blitz on D2 was based off D1 stuff. Considering Blitz didn't have all that many posts on D1, I don't get how it's opportunistic for Kevin to vote Blitz on more or less the same posts. I know there were a couple more after that Kevin vote, but still. He says that the latter D2 Blitz votes are lazy but makes no real attempt to say if those votes are bussing or scum going after a mislynch or what, since he never delivers a solid Blitz opinion. Nor does he attempt any sort of individual analysis, even on Xinny. He just says that Xinny's vote was unnecessary because Blitz already had 5 votes, and the opinion on the other late Blitz votes is more or less a blanket statement. That's basically just based on Blitz interactions; I'm going to read Marth's non Blitz-related stuff tomorrow morning more carefully than I did on D1 and D2, to see if I find issues with it. Other than Marth, I think Fera's Blitz interactions are also incriminating. Like I said yesterday, he pushed Blitz quite a bit as one of his main reads, but found very convenient and weak excuses to choose not to vote Blitz, which reads to me like pushing the Blitz wagon while not tying himself to it. For now, I think I'll go back to my D2 vote and ##Vote: Fera, but that might change depending on Marth reread.

Well, can't say that kill was entirely unexpected. Only one kill is kind of odd, but IIRC BT said that on N1, he got info saying that not all anti-town entities could kill and use their abilities at the same time, so I'm guessing potential harmful thirds have been choosing to use their abilities the last two nights rather than kill.

Hmm, I forgot he made those small arguments against SB's posts in his first wall, actually. NNR, considering you had made several comments about SB before, why this change in opinion to "SB hasn't jumped out".

NNR, I don't have a problem with the number of reads you have so much as which reads those happen to be. Other than Shinori, your reads are the pretty common Blitz read, and then talking about Zeem a bit, who basically has no real content. I also don't like how you seem to be such a fan of Paperblade's posts, both in your D1 summary and just now, but don't think SB is suspicious, even though he's Paperblade's strongest scumread.

I really don't get NNR's views on Objection. He says that Objection's last walls were "reasonable", when IIRC they were some fairly ubiquitous comments on Blitz and a cherrypicked case against Marth that wasn't even very good.

Paperblade, if you think that the dayvig on Blitz was fake, do you think he's town?

Necktie said that he was feeling in over his head on the main channel, though I'm not sure how many others saw it. I didn't really think it was a big deal since it was just a small, fairly public complaint. I ~think I'll be here for phase end, but I'm not sure, because my family is celebrating my birthday tonight now that my sister is back.

Objection, the difference is that you were voting for an inactive because they were inactive, while Marth was voting for Rein due to an actual issue with his posts, on top of the inactivity.

I actually suspected Leknaat of being offsite at one point, because nobody who plays here would use language like "logic does not parse", and I thought of you, but then I thought that since I'd forgotten to invite you, you wouldn't be playing. >_> Also you should play more games here.

Manix's ISO is always somewhat fluffy, since his posts are spammy, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have content. So I'd like Kay to clarify that too. Objection's Marth vote cherrypicks one thing that Marth said out of his entire wall of text posts and uses it as a basis, which I dislike. His claim is also an overreaction. While there is a decent amount of suspicion on him, Blitz seems to be the pretty obvious lynch candidate today, so I can't see the need for it. And lol I don't think there's anything to say about Blitz that hasn't been said already. He really should fullclaim though. Seeing as full role PMs don't get flipped and it's already been shown in Baldrick's role PM how much extra stuff can be in there, if he's town, hiding that info when pretty much everyone in the thread thinks he's mafia is a bad move (on top of all the other stuff).

Scorri and I are the only two people left and we don't want to kill each other. inb4 she kills me now

Scorri and Paperblade made me realize that Kay sort of pushes Blitz a little bit, defends him a little bit, and in the end doesn't really give a solid read on the biggest wagon of the day. "6/10 would not sheep" is ehhhh because 6/10 assumes the wagon is at least okay, if not good, so saying "would not sheep" afterwards looks kind of out of place. Saying "I think someone on the Blitz wagon might be scum" means not very much when 6/22 people were voting him. Odds are fairly decent that someone mafia is on the wagon, so pointing it out is hardly difficult. Yet I see no attempt to actually look for scum there. Blitz's claim of "mayor with drawbacks" is off-putting because I have a spellcard that allows me to place a ghostvote on somebody for the rest of the day (outside of MYLO/LYLO), so I'm more or less a weaker mayor myself, in addition to my actual role. It gives me the hunch that he has a larger role and for whatever reason he's only claiming part of it. My first thought is he's scum and has a bunch of more scummy stuff in addition, so he's claiming the townish part of the role. The claim is also another instance of him saying he's been doing something purposely scummy, and the excuse is getting pretty old.

Not really happy with Kay, because I don't think she properly addressed everything I had to say against her. She just responded about the Blitz thing and didn't really say anything about why she didn't want to vote Marth when there were no votes on him. However, I find it really scummy how Fera first said that he didn't want to vote Blitz because of meta, and then is saying now that he didn't want to vote Blitz over SB because there was already a wagon there. What makes it worse is that he then chose to vote Baldrick BECAUSE there was a wagon on him, which seems really contradictory to me. His reason to choose to vote Baldrick, to hear his claim, is not that good because Baldrick would have (or should have instead of modkilling himself) claimed even without his vote, as there were already like 6 votes there. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Fera Also NAMECHANGE (blame Boron) so my iso link will have to be changed

We killed Proto because we knew he wasn't a Neighbour due to not knowing what one was. We also hooked you N1, and since you didn't mention it at all, we suspected you of being a passive role, probably Neighbour. Since everyone else had flipped Vanilla, we knew that Proto and Kay basically had to be PRs. We were planning on me faking Doctor and Scorri just saying she was Town Hooker, so we had her hook Kay, as Scorri had shown suspicion of her in thread and it'd be believable, and me kill Proto. But then after the Jailer flip we changed our fakes because it was basically Hooker + Omniguard.

@Strege- Kay is infamous for being inactive on weekends, probably because that's when she flies over to meet Proto. I don't really understand why people are picking Zeem out. Yeah, despite being here a lot he's posting stuff that basically amounts to "idk what's going on" but I get the sense that'd be the same regardless of alignment, so I'm basically treating him as another inactive. I wouldn't be opposed to a vigshot on him, but i think a lynch there would be a waste of time, and I feel that people talking about him are just giving an easy read. That was sort of speaking to Proto and Objection. More in relation to Proto's latest post, in his bit about Paperblade, he basically said that sheeping onto wagons is perfectly reasonable, which is sort of uhhhhh. I also don't really see the point of including the stuff on Zeem and Shinori.

Surprised you got Joey being Paulina, considering she's only played one game before and considering "bbl spending time with my girlfriend".

Kevin, why do you now disagree more with the latter group than the former group? If your opinions about who was scummier changed, why did they do so?