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Also, Kay is misrepping my reason for voting for SB. It's not just that his reason is shitty, he's concentrating on small parts of my post without paying attention to the whole, and then the rest of his post is just him waffling on town reads. If I get lynched, I'm thinking the most likely scum are SB, Paperblade, and Kay. Kay has been really unmemorable and has basically just posted one-liners here and there and come up with very few original reads or reasons or anything really.

Blah, I didn't notice I was at L-1. I'm the 1-shot Vig. I haven't used my shot yet.

I had a paragraph above my vote explaining it...

Holy crap, SB's post was the scummiest I've ever seen. He focuses in on two lines of fluff at the end of a three paragraph post, and then sheeps a shitty reason to vote for me (my scumreads have flipped town). Thinking that someone is scum and then having them flip town doesn't make you scum. This is a really shitty reason for voting for somebody, and I'll be pretty annoyed if I get lynched for it. After the bit about me, the rest of his post is about his town reads and then his reasoning about Paper uses the same flawed reasoning as his vote for me. I think that Paper is scum, but that would be a really shitty reason for thinking he was, seeing as if I flip town, you'll have been part of my mislynch too. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Serious Bananas Nobody seems to agree with me about Paperblade, and this last post from SB was just too scummy. Call it an OMGUS, whatever.

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How exactly did I sheep on the Blitz wagon? I thought Blitz looked scummy as early as N0, and then I stayed on his wagon D1 because there was a guilty inspect on him, which I had an easy time believing because I already thought he was scummy. Also, Paperblade's reasoning for voting for me is grasping at best. Just because someone I thought was scum flipped town doesn't make me scum. Nor does me being a scumread of people who died and flipped town make me scum either. What exactly is the scum intent here? As for why I "talked down" Blitz, it was because I had a scumread on him for reasons other than the inspect, whereas the Shinori wagon was pretty much entirely because of the inspect. I can't actually remember anyone saying that he was scummy for reasons other than the inspect, and I didn't see a point to simply chipping in and saying the same stuff as everyone else. Also, I didn't like Rapier's post at all. It was basically a mini listpost of townreads and waffly scumreads. And then, he thinks that SB is scummy for sheeping, even though he's basically sheeping on that too. And for some reason he doesn't want to vote for SB either, even though SB only has 1 vote on him. Voting for someone you think is scummy is hardly going to stop the phase. And if you think someone is scummy afterwards, you can change your vote at any time.

Good misrep. The point was that you just went along with the general town mood of lynch the guy with an incriminating Rolecop inspect on him, and didn't say anything else at all that phase at all. It's not like scum would have wanted to defend Shinori yesterday either- he looked too likely a lynch target for scum to put themselves on the line in that way. Anyways, I'll think more about this at some time other than 4 am. Good night.

I'll reread this game tomorrow because the rather extended break has made me forget some of my reads, but I'm going to go with ##Vote: Paperblade to start with. IIRC, a lot of his D2 seemed to be just pushing for the Shinori lynch, when that was the easy lynch that everyone was pushing. Sure, it flipped scum, but that was a pretty doomed boat, so Paper might easily have been bussing there.

Aaaaaand now people are trying to justify their shitty vote on him with "Well he deserves to be lynched because he's being a crybaby". Being a crybaby is not a scumtell.

TBH I'm not really bothering to vote for anyone because I want proper associative flips from this terrible wagon and it's not going to change anyways at this point.

Gloating when you flip town is really stupid, because you're making fun of your own faction for being wrong. Mislynches happen. Like, look at Marth. He's been mislynched for shitty reasons in so many games that if he acted like you he would never play.

Yeah, and why on earth would you give someone a PR Cop fakeclaim? I don't think that your reasons for voting for him are scummy because you were voting for him before the claim, but people like (off the top of my head) SB, Helios, Neko, and Rocker look really bad to me right now. If Mancer flips scum, shrug, I was wrong, but I don't think he will.

Town normally has a Vig, especially in a game as large as this. Vig is a pretty shitty fakeclaim to make in a game of this size, but if there is indeed one, they should be shooting NekoRex tonight, which is why the Doctor should not be on Neko.

Also that last post by Rocker was really horrible. A huge listpost of town reads and then throwing himself on the Mancer wagon at the end.

I don't like this lynch at all, especially because I don't think Boron and Mancer's anger is faked or due to a PR. This may be from what I know of Boron, but she gets mad really easily sometimes, and I think this is one of those cases. Also, WHY ON EARTH WOULD MAFIA FAKECLAIM PR COP. THINK ABOUT THIS. Yeah, the claim was dropped in a weird way, but why on earth would they fakeclaim a PR cop of all things? Not only have Mancer/Boron been breadcrumbing something like this for a long time, a PR Cop is just the shittiest fakeclaim ever. For them to fakeclaim it, they would have had to receive no good fakeclaims from Eclipse, or they would have had to have no other possible fakeclaim ideas of their own like Backup or Bodyguard or whatever. I am like 99% sure this wagon is going to flip town, and if it does, the people who sheeped onto it and inflated it are going to look really bad.

Sorry, no time right now to make a proper post, so I'll just ##Unvote in light of the Friendly Townie claim. I'll try to dig up more on Scorri, because I'm not getting a good impression from her posts. Also Balcerzak's post where he popped in, said he might vote Paper, and then didn't do anything after that seemed really lazy and unhelpful, considering all the stuff that he could have commented on unrelated to Paper, if he didn't want to vote someone who was absent. Mancer, you might be mixing up games or people, because I don't think I've said anything about SB, or defended myself so far. I also don't really agree with Manix's reasons for finding Mancer scummy, or the vice-versa. I think the wagon on Lucinallen was crap, and the proposal that Lucina might have been lying about the PR to coast seems grasping to me. And Manix's points against him seem to be mainly based off overreaction, which is not always a scumtell.

My read on Shinori is null at the moment. You, on the other hand, seem to keep sidestepping the question and trying to deflect attention to other people. You seem to me to be much scummier than him. I also didn't like how Scorri came in and chose to comment on such a small portion of all that she could have. Her and Paperblade are my main scumreads right now.

9 times out of 10, someone on bad wagons is scum. And if nobody on the wagon is scum, then some reasoning for why they're town despite making shitty votes would have been helpful. Either way, I think Paper should have taken a more active stance than just pointing it out from the sidelines. Even this expanded Shinori reasoning didn't come until a lot of prodding against him.

>_> That's not the point. I fully agree with you that the wagon was bad. But why didn't you pursue that line of action more? Just saying that the wagon is bad isn't enough- you have to say which PEOPLE on the wagon are bad, or it's not really contributing at all.

That's the whole point. Why didn't you attack someone on that wagon? You kept saying that the wagon looked worse and worse (which implies pretty heavily that someone on it must be scum), yet you just kept it at that and didn't do anything more about it.

Also, Boron, you mention that Paper is not as unmemorable to you as some other people. Who exactly are these people? Other than maybe Baldrick, you don't seem to be talking about them much in the rest of your post.

That response from Paperblade did nothing except solidify my scumread. He gave more reasons for his Shinori vote, sure, but he completely sidestepped the issue at hand, which was him voteparking someone and then throwing out flimsy accusations against people voting Lucinallen with no proper follow-up. Okay, fine, you thought Shinori was more scummy than anyone on the wagon, so you kept your vote there. That doesn't mean that you couldn't have still looked into the people wagoning Lucinallen if you thought the wagon was really that bad. Also, I didn't like Bal's last post at all. Instead of actually scumhunting, he just says he'll wait for Paper to come back before doing anything. Okay, don't vote Paper if you're uncomfortable about the wagon piling up on him while he's not there. But is he the only person you have any scumreads on at all, even 200 posts in?

This Neko wagon is horrible. No one has voted me (yet) for my vote on Paper, and the reason he gave for his vote was basically the exact same as mine, but more concise. The only proper reason for a vote on him I see so far is Mancer's, who's voting him for not very many reads. Elieson/Scorri's bash on his Paper vote being bad even though it's not, and Helios's bashes on him for I don't even know what- tone?

I'm not running Pokemon Adventures before December 20th, mainly because I really can't host right now with my exams around the corner. So if Mystery finishes and there's a lot of time between the two, the person after me (Scorri?) can go next. Or we can have another filler game.

Alright, let's do this. First off, sorry I'm entering the game only now- I went to visit my sister for the weekend and I thought I'd get wifi there, but I didn't because she uses an ethernet cable. I only got time to make that one quick post when she went to take a shower, from her laptop. So, I'm caught up, and my largest impression is that Paperblade looks really bad. His early posts were meh RVS, and then his vote on Shinori right now is a huge votepark, because he keeps talking about other stuff and commenting in a sort of third-party observer kind of way, but then doesn't do anything about it. His vote on Shinori was initially because he was tunneling on Mancer and not commenting on anything else, but it's still there even though Shinori isn't tunneling on Mancer anymore. He says the Lucina/Excellen wagon looks bad, but then why isn't he actively trying to do anything about it? Instead of voting one of the people wagoning Lucina, he just keeps his vote on Shinori. A secondary scumread is Scorri because I don't think she's done anything other than vote people for shitty reasons, and I felt that she needed to be pushed before she did anything. I'll need to reread to solidify this though. ##Vote Paperblade