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How exactly does that flip confirm me as scum? We've still got Paper, Bal, and Eclipse who are not confirmed town, among whom the remaining anti-town likely lie. As for the hammer, the lynch clearly wasn't going anywhere else, and I thought that he was the most likely SK, so I hammered. I still think that Paper is mafia, and for the SK, I'm pretty sure it's Bal, and that Rein fakeclaimed Miller. The reason that I don't think that Eclipse is the SK is because if she was the SK and killed SEG, then somebody town-aligned would have had to kill Prims, whom nobody had a strong scumread on, on D1. Meaning it was probably the SK who shot Prims, so unless she could kill two people in the same phase, she probably isn't mafia.

Whatever, let's just keep the game moving ##Unvote, ##Vote: Bitto

Yeah, the patched rom didn't work on ePSXe for me either. Try pSX or pSXFin- that's the one I used and it works.

What are the votals btw? Am I safe to switch to Bitto or would that be a hammer? I'm pretty sure there are at least 3 votes on him, not sure if it's 4.

I'm not against the Bitto lynch because I have a strong feeling he's a Gravedigger SK, which is exactly why I think the Mayor Test would also be pointless. As Blitz said, it's unlikely he's lying about that part of his role- it's his alliance, and the rest of his role, that I am iffy about. I also still think Paper is likely scum because he's really not doing jack shit, and pretending he is. He's saying basically the same stuff as everybody else. Then he's saying that my claim is bad and scummy and I should be lynched for it, even though I'm pretty sure Driver is also more often scum than town. Not to the same extent as Silencer, sure, but it's still hypocritical. And the Shinori/Psych swap was not exactly a good choice either. I think somebody (Eclipse?) said this earlier, but why would you pick confirmed townies to drive instead of a townie and a scummy looking player? Even if you had messed up Helios's cop inspect, we'd also likely have Psych, one more cleared townie alive right now.

Okay, I misunderstood that post. My apologies. It doesn't change the fact that I don't trust that claim at all.

That's the point- when I said that they could direct their kill elsewhere, I meant that they could simply target someone other than you with their kill, which they possibly did.

Why not? Lets him pretend to be town Driver, and they could have just directed their kill somewhere other than Shinori anyways. Doesn't help them directly, but townie points are townie points.

...are you fucking joking me? You wanted me to silence somebody??? ##Vote: Paperblade Also I don't like that claim from Bitto at all. There have been SKs in the past that could imitate the roles of living people for a short time (see Naglfar in SSBU)- Bitto could easily be someone who can imitate the roles of dead people. And then, look at his last post. He says I look pretty good, but then he turns around and says he wouldn't mind my lynch regardless. I'm calling Paper for scum Driver and Meesh/Bitto for some type of Gravedigger/Amnesiac SK.

Please tell me what exactly is scummy about what I said there. Since when were town not allowed to say "If I was mafia"? Also, the point of not outing that is if Eclipse is the SK (and realize that she's like one of only a couple people who could be), the mafia aren't taking care of her for us.

Whyyyyy would you say all these things during night phase, and especially so early? If I was mafia, I might have been considering killing Eclipse because of the thing where she prolongs the game, and how the kill was her "weakest" role. I certainly wouldn't kill her now (if I was mafia).

How is Helios likely to be SK after a Godfather flip that further confirms the existence of an Alignment Cop?

Well then So what do you guys think of the claim that Excellen couldn't get information on Paper? He might very well have been their inspect N1.

You have to realize though, that part of why third parties are added is BECAUSE they're unpredictable. Predictable isn't always good. And yeah, not all third parties are SKs, but generally when third parties win only at the expense of everyone else, (they can't joint), the game isn't balanced around them winning.

Well, look at the list of game winners. There have been a handful of SK victories over tens of games, and that's mostly because the game isn't supposed to be balanced so they can win.

Eh. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Excellen The lynch isn't changing even if somebody comes and suddenly says they dislike it, so meh.

Alright, are there any objections to me hammering?

I'm here to hammer, I guess. When is deadline?

As a fakeclaim, it would be pretty shitty. As a roleclaim, it's 11/10.

@Shinori- ugh forgot about that. Not concentrating properly on this right now, sorry guys.

Looooool he mentioned in IRC that that's what he wanted to post in here.

On a serious note, if it cheers you up, one of my friends has had to get 6 phones in the last year.

....I did not see that. I guess I can't target myself. Also, my suspicions of Shinori just skyrocketed. He is totally the type of person who might fakeclaim Doc while simply having a SK with a self-protect of some sort.

This wouldn't happen if you stayed at home and played mafia all day!

Well, there's nothing in the rules about being unable to target yourself, and my role PM doesn't say I can't, so I'm pretty sure I can target myself.