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Snike is surprisingly okay with being lynched for the mayor test... I'm not sure if this is because he's town who knows that a mislynch will get us more info and closer to catching the last scum, or if he's scum trying to WIFOM.

Hmm. That was unexpected. Alright, Snike. Have you been following this game at all? I can try giving a summary for you if you haven't, but it'd probably be bad because I have a shitty memory and biased because I think the person you're subbing in for is scum.

You played a pretty key role in convincing me to blow up Scorri N2.

Just waiting on PKL for 3-6.

Eh, I have a bad memory and don't reread as often as I should, so this is possible. What I remember more, though, is simply not ruling out the possibility that you were scum, and thinking that Eclipse was much scummier than you, particularly on D1.

postgame nao Most of the town (including me) was pretty stupid, I agree. I should really have stressed the point that a TrackerWatcher when we had two Rolecops was going a bit too far. And we should have lynched Eclipse and SB earlier, grr. I almost voted SB (like Prims did) on D2 just so that we wouldn't have had a nolynch. But I waffled at the end. Also, I think Manix moled better. Manix was a neutral read for me for most of the game; it wasn't until the last day that he began looking really obvscum. Eclipse on the other hand looked scummy early on but then looked better later on, and Shinori (who I was reading as town last day because Manix looked really scummy) seemed quite sure that Eclipse was town, so I gave the last spot in my scumlist to Iris instead of Eclipse.

Except if your hook on Eclipse had gone through, we very well might not have caught Kay or Strawman. Especially Kay, since Nightmare had bussed Rapier pretty effectively.

They're good targets because they're good players, and therefore a danger to the mafia, not because they're a danger to the town. It's safe to assume Eclipse is usually scummy? What? Eclipse wasn't scum in this game, she wasn't scum in SFMM2, and a bunch of other games too. This post is just bad. Can we please lynch Psych?

Vigilante was a fun role though. At least I got one scum.

When I asked why you hooked Eclipse, you said that you hadn't read the thread much, so you were deciding between Bizz and Eclipse. WHy would you go for the namekill targets as town?

Damnit, I KNEW Manix was scum. UGHHHH. I should have put a lot more effort into stopping the nolynch than just saying that it was a bad idea. But I was pretty sure that Manix and Shinori were not scumbuddies, and the fact that both of them were pushing for a nolynch threw me off. Also, if I hadn't misvigged Elieson... Sorry town. And damnit, this is my first loss in a game of mafia where I was not modkilled. Curses.

Not doing it. Not doing it.

Give me Fir, I guess.

Kent for Hong Lei. No, screw you guys, I'm not looking for a picture.

I'm here now. It's sort of difficult to offer opinions on what you and Shinori are talking about, Eclipse, because we have no idea who those numbers represent. IMO, Core should be on me, Manix should hook SB, and Strawman should hook either Eclipse. If we have a death tonight, my current scumteam theory of Manix/Iris/SB is debunked. Also, if there's a death on Castle Siege, and Eclipse is being hooked, that leaves Shinori, Strawman, or Core to be scum.

We can go for a policy lynch on Cam D4 if Psych flips town and I inspect Shinori and don't get a conclusively mafia role. But IMO there's a pretty good chance that Psych is scum, and we can end this today. I'm clear, Paper is clear, Iris is probably clear, and we can policy lynch Cam D4 if this doesn't get ended this day to clear him. It's got to be Shinori or Psych, and I'm leaning Psych because he still hasn't provided a satisfactory response to why he would hook Eclipse N1. Paper votes for Psych. Psych votes for Cam. Cam votes for Shinori. Shinori votes for Iris. Iris votes for BBM. BBM votes for Paper. Something like this is what I think we should do if we want to test Paper's role today. If Paper is telling the truth, Psych should get lynched.

So facing trainers is "grinding"? I wasn't aware of that.

I asked Iris to target Eclipse N1 so that I could get redirected to her and have her role be proven.

I'm going to sleep too, ugh. Also Iris, can you please post your role PM when you come on?

No, Iris redirected all targets from Eclipse to herself. If Psych had tried to hook me I would've been hooked. I thought of that, and what I came up with is that they didn't think I'd be inspecting any of them that night (although I would have inspected Strawman most likely if Iris hadn't claimed Lightning Rod), so they decided to hook the name target. The thing with me inspecting Psych is that he could easily be scum hooker, and I don't get alignment. "Target a person, actions targeting that person target you" this is what Iris claimed, and my result on her was Reverse Martyr.

Also, I missed that Helios inspected Paper. I think lynching Psych is still the way to go though, because that way I can inspect Shinori tonight if Psych flips town, to see if he was lying and is actually something else. But I don't think Shinori's scum.

If we're to test Paper, I'd rather do it with one person voting for Cam and Paper voting for Psych.

Keep in mind that this is HHM. Are you sure you're up to doing a HHM draft as your first?

Paper, I don't like that plan because you're not 100% clear, because mafia mayors exist. If you're scum, we lynch Shinori, and he hooks Iris, not only does that leave me open for a nightkill, we lose if Psych gets lynched D5.

What? Why would hooking a namekill target be a good idea for TOWN? It would only be a good idea for the mafia.