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lmao Shinori

he's trying to say he's buddies with scarletflame makes you think

Having played Berwick Saga, which has a hexagonal system, I actually found it pretty cool. It took a little time to adjust, and yes, it is more difficult to shield weaker units and to create choke points, but I considered it more challenging because of that. And BS also had player and enemy phases being integrated rather than strictly separate, which made it even harder to shield weaker units, and it was still fun.

Except this exact same thing happened in Healer Mafia and Vhaltz the scum Rolecop got results on the night he was vigged, and they were communicated to the rest of the team in the scum QT by Eclipse. Therefore while I can't say for sure, I would be inclined to lean towards Mancer getting results on his own lynch. sorry for not being around; I had classes until late and then when I came home I was tired and fell asleep without checking the game. tbh though I don't have much to contribute; I agree with SB that Elie has no reason to vote Prims over Mancer at deadline when the latter was definitely going to get lynched. The only reason I'm not completely giving him a pass is that he doesn't have enough posts past earlygame for me to get a feel of his alignment when you discount the Prims interactions. So he's kind of in the same boat as Poly where he's not clear but I wouldn't lynch him over the other lurkers.

well from Mancer's POV if he got town!Randa lynched he could just line up lynches and go "I guess Rapier was scum parking on a townie" basically I don't really think that's indicative either way I also don't really think Elie is scum, which is why I had him specifically after the lurkers SHINORI should produce content

so I don't think you're going to win the Premier this season but that's okay you're still in the running for the TREBLE next year it would be pretty great if you knocked Man City out of the top 4

nowai I want to be NOC townleader again

BT not really sure what the problem there is? looks like Mancer was fabricating a reason to not vote for Rapier

I don't think Gorf is the mafiers; he voted Mancer more or less out of the blue when the wagons were 3/3/2 for Mancer/me/Randa. I mean unless the scumteam's collective plan was to lynch Mancer D1 I'm not seeing this. And if it was the plan, Prims wouldn't have taken so long to get onto the Mancer wagon. scum are probably in the lurkers + elie tbh, in that order I was about to policy vote Poly for signing up and not doing anything every (NOC) game for the last couple months but Randa brings up a good point. From what I remember, it's generally Eclipse's policy to give results even as the corresponding member of the scumteam dies (see Vhaltz in Healer). ##Vote: Rapier

;_; Prims was scum after all damnit also got hooked kind of conflicted about BT actually BT flip-flopped all over Mancer yesterday. For the first half of the phase he kept saying "Yeah Mancer is bad but..." like in #201 where he was like 'yeah I don't see how this is scum' and then suddenly in #230 he's like "wait no Mancer is bad but I've still seen this in town" to "idk what he's doing" in #239 to "wow Mancer is so scummy" in #253 and it just doesn't really make sense. In the night phase I was fairly sure BT was scum. HOWEVER after the Prims flip I'm not sure anymore. BT basically just suspected Mancer and Prims for most of the day, and they were both main wagons along with me kind of. He never really pushed me at all (actually it's a little weird that he never gave an opinion on me) so if he was scum he was basically committing himself to a D1 bus and scum lynch. If this is the case, then the super waffling back-and-forth on Mancer doesn't really make sense, because why wouldn't BT just stick to one solid read there? Looks bad if Mancer is lynched over Prims (which was more likely to happen than the reverse). I guessssss if he thought town would just lynch me but over either of them without him having to do anything but eh dunno. Will need to look at other interactions. J is probably town after Prims flip.

confirming

actually if we assume this is like 10/4/1 or something with weak roles this game's numbers work out much better, although literally everyone who's implied anything about their role so far has implied it's not Vanilla, and I would expect some town Vanillas too dunno man

fuck it I'm going to sleep and have decided that I'm going to stick to my guns on Mancer and hope he's a Mafia Goon still no explanation for the incredible hypocrisy that is the Gorf suspicion

man fuck I want to sleep, not try to think whether Mancer is WIFOMing or not are there even Vanillas in this game? (that's a rhetorical question) I can't even remember the last time Eclipse hosted a game with Vanillas so ?_?. I doubt Mancer would claim it as scum if it hadn't been given as a fake though so meh. Not that Mancer doesn't show creativity with fakes (Adventures is an example) but because of that creativity I would expect him to not just claim Vanilla (and crumb it from the beginning too) I suppose Eclipse won't be nice enough to tell us if Vanillas exist or not.

oh yeah I should also apologize for being an ass Prims brings some good points against BT actually; I should reread him. @Randa- I don't think I really handwaved SB's case? As I said in my response, I felt the 'padding through numbers-spec' bit was silly. Other than that, I admitted I didn't have many reads other than Mancer, and that's pretty much what SB's case consisted of. As for handwaving cases against Larsa, were there even any cases against Larsa? I stated a reason for a townread because I didn't see any reason not to give the read, especially as I'd been criticized for not having many reads.

you`re only one win out of the top 4 CHAMPION`S LEAGUE IT`S HAPPENING

There`s less time left in the phase than I thought, and I have to go out again for a few hours for a driving lesson. Phase end is also at a bad time for me so yeah not going to be awake. As for Mancer making early crumbs that locked him into a claim, that was also there in Adventures. Looking at his vote against me more, it is really really bad. Like what the hell he gives no reasons for why I`m suddenly worse than Randa, or worse than SB, or why, when he had said literally nothing about my alignment prior to that post, he is suddenly so confident I am scum. This is really blatant wagoning after SB and BT voted for me. The hilarious thing is that his next post about Gorf talks about how Gorf is suspicious for only talking about him once before voting him, and for only saying one sentence, when this is literally all Mancer has said backing up his statement about how confident he is I am scum: `I don't like how BBM seems to be insisting that I am really "paranoid" and spreading paranoia around town? I fail to see how I am doing that.` As for spreading paranoia, like, look at how many posts Mancer has where he`s saying stuff like `Does anyone else notice how...` (which is just a style of phrasing that I heavily heavily dislike) or how many times he mentions a person doing something he doesn`t like in a post and then never talks about them again- Navelpluis, Elie, SB, J. SB is especially eye-catching because he talks about SB (along with me) being one of the most likely to be scum on his wagon, and then two posts later doesn`t have him in his top 4 suspicions. still don`t agree with Prims wagon; don`t see how he hasn`t been proactive. He started the J wagon and kept on it and kept backing his stance up when J came back and started refuting it. Yeah he hasn`t done that so much for Mancer but it`s not like people don`t understand the Mancer case. J was like `yeah I can see how people think Prims might be town but I`m voting for him so I disagree` and like what does that even meanÉ And then he responds to a Prims post where Prims literally links a post made by J and says PROVIDE ME WITH SPECIFIC QUOTES. I also find it weird that he`s only responding to Prims when I keep saying I agree with Prims and is completely ignoring me, and this is after Prims, his major scumread, explicitly pointed this out twice. And I`m not just the next-biggest proponent of his lynch with Prims; I`m also one of the larger wagons

obligatory Randa are you even 21 have to leave in 2 minutes, so Mancer`s case on me is lol OMGUS and basically saying `no you`re wrong so you`re scum` other than that I kind of agree with BT tbh most of the active posters seem town. Gorf is the only one that stands out to me for not really committing to either Mancer or Elie as a suspicion, especially as Elie is his only own scumread and he`s just like `yeah I`ll wait and see`. I don`t know why he`s still on an RVS vote.

SB why are you voting town when you`re townÉ

lol SB I had literally one line on numbers spec. The fact that I don`t have much content other than Mancer is valid but `padding posts through numbers spec` is a pretty big stretch. I also said that I`m busy until Saturday afternoon; posting in between classes right now. also I can predict that if Mancer flips scum SB is going to go THIS IS JUST LIKE SMT MAFIA BBM HARDBUSSING HIS BUDDY ON D1 I actually don`t agree with people getting weird vibes from Prims; I feel like his posts have been town. J takes a lot of words to say `I have no opinions as of yet` in his first post and then his second is just `no you`re not backing up your vote on me` followed by voting Prims even though Prims did in fact back it up. Refa- it`s difficult to explain but like... Mancer when he`s town has a lot of suspicions but they feel like him just trying to find something. This feels like throwing around suspicions for the sake of it and blowing up overly specific to a huge extent. He does that as town too but it just feels different. I`m struggling to explain it in a way that doesn`t have `his tone and style don`t feel right` but that`s basically what it is. As far as ascribing scum intent to everything Mancer has done. That`s kind of correct and wrong at the same time. It`s not necessarily all of Mancer`s content that seem wrong so much as the general feeling of all his posts. shrug (not scumri I sware) larsa is probably town cuz I have a difficult time seeing him go I LOVE PLAYING SCUM on a site where he`s still relatively new, as scum My next post will almost certainly be in more than 24 hours; sorry guys ._.

yeah I guess I should have been a little more clear about J I basically agree with what you said about him but I considered what Mancer did to be as suspicious as what he did, and as Mancer was here and posting I chose to go for that vote. Mancer's response is a scum response IMO. YOU GUYS CAN TOTALLY LYNCH ME sounds like a fabricated appeal to WIFOM (can't ever really remember Mancer lying down like that). And while he's correct that 10 town -> 10/3/2 with cultists is quite a leap, it's just as much of a leap for scum numbers to make as town numbers to make. Why would scum be more inclined to say that than town? And then his response to me right now doesn't make much sense because only like SB and Prims have indicated a townread on Randa AFAICR and if Randa is the towniest-seeming person in the thread, why does Mancer think that him flipping town is going to convince everybody to 180 their reads on Randa? Also nobody had really expressed a townread on Randa when you initially voted there and he'd in fact been a wagon so yeah. going to slep

mancer is playing like scum mancer ##Unvote, ##Vote: Mancer Really though his posts seem to just be spreading paranoia and questioning everything under the moon. Also his Randa vote for 'assuming a 3 man scumteam' is the biggest BS and probably his attempt at trying to wagon Randa but wanting to give new and original reasoning. Too lazy to go more in-depth. My motivation was shot when I had COOL THOUGHTS about Mancer and J as I was reading and then Prims said like all of them. I'm going to be busy from literally 8 AM tomorrow to like 3 PM on Saturday. And I'm kind of tired and in a shitty mood so I may sleep soon. ROLESPEC THOUGHTS probably 10/4/1 with harmless ITP imo. may even be 10/3/1/1 with harmless and harmful ITPs. may even be 10/1/1/1/1/1 with 5 SKs.

so much hate ;_; ##Vote: Navelpluis since Eclipse is the host; obligatory welcome-to-SF-mafia-RVS-vote

Prims, I just said that I was super sure you were scum, not that I shot you because of it. I wouldn't want to shoot the other scumteam on N1 anyways lol I was really busy on N1 IIRC, so the last couple hours before phase end I was just like 'do whatever' to Xinny, which ended up in her and Jalmont shooting you and vengekilling Blitz.

that sure was a game usg should totally have left me alive; I was townreading 2/3 of them and my death basically started the snowball victory for town