Emperor Hardin
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6 minutes ago, Samz707 said:
The good ol' FE trope of "If you're ugly, you're probably evil."
Maybe healing magic makes for really good skin-care who knows.
This is also why so many writers for FE flat out refuse to have evil women.
6 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:Not sure if I'd agree with that:
No visible signs of middle/old age in her face, true. Maybe it's the haircut and bishop's hat and veil that makes her look somewhat older to me?
That said, female characters aren't usually allowed to look old in games. Mothers can look as pretty if not more so than their daughters.
In anime aging, characters above 17 rarely have eyes as big as Eremiya's, FE adheres to this rule...with the notable exception of Eremiya.
The latter is covered in the quote above, Eremiya is cute so she has to be a good person. In the FE12 spoiler thread, long before the full translation came out, everyone predicted Eremiya would be a good person based on her appearance, one poster who was attracted to her, even cheered when it was revealed she wasn't really evil.
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3 minutes ago, Alastor15243 said:
Right, right, I remember seeing that very early in the morning when I checked out the thread updates after randomly waking up. Totally forgot about that by the time I woke up for real.
That hadn't occurred to me. I assumed they were talking about the war in Shadow Dragon, but obviously that's impossible given how old the assassins are and how young they were when they started getting raised.
...How the fuck old is Eremiyah supposed to be, then? She barely looks a day over 20.
Eremiya should at the very least, be age 40. Given she was already brainwashed and killed Clarisse's parents when she was too young to remember them.
Her brainwashing also causes plot holes as unlike Hardin who did have some deeply buried jealously issues, she just goes from loving children to laughing when seeing them die.
I get the impression the only reason Eremiya looks good is because they wanted to sexualize Eremiya and enforce "Beautiful people have beautiful souls."
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2 hours ago, Alastor15243 said:
...We're not getting anywhere at this point, honestly. Maybe we should drop this.
Wanna hear about the Eremiya plot holes?
15 hours ago, Acacia Sgt said:True. The only recent conflict before the War of Shadows was the unification of Talys. Would've been interesting if that had been such a case. Though Eremiya looks too young for that, since at least by the timeline, Talys was unified in 579 AY.
Eremiya was brainwashed to be evil when Clarisse was a small toddler too young to remember her parents.
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3 hours ago, Jotari said:
For warriors I'd say the system is less the problem and more that the playable cast is out of whack. They definitely should have given one of the twins a lance at least (or just made them Eirika and Ephraim, or Alphonse and Shareena).
They wanted to make the banana twins as generic and unlikable as possible I suppose.
If the roster was going to be like that, then they should've just done elements or just removed the weakness mechanic altogether else instead of adding weapon triangle solely for the sake of having it. Same for stuff like having armored category and no armored units.
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If we're mentioning old stuff, can I mention that Eremiya's backstory causes several issues including an unknown war being invented solely for the sake of a poorly written sob story for a character who really shouldn't be sympathetic..
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1 hour ago, Shadow Mir said:
Shadow Dragon was much more egregious, considering the original didn't even have it. That ain't to say FEW didn't have its issues, but I don't think the weapon triangle was even remotely egregious as far as issues go.
FE:W had a roster almost composed of sword users with literally only ONE lance moveset in the base game and even very enemy character with a complete moveset using that exact same Lance moveset.
Shadow Dragon added Axe Heroes and DracoKnights throughout the game and the weapon triangle also had a significantly smaller affect on combat then it did in FE:W, where it was practically everything.
Anyhow I'm not going letting you hijack this topic into another Anti Shadow Dragon/Fighter thread.
46 minutes ago, Samz707 said:As probably controversial as this may be, I think if the weapon triangle is going to be ditched again, we should have LESS weapons overall.
So say, There's only Killing Edges for the "Constantly gets crits" weapon, so Swords have a niche for critical hits. (So No killer lances/axes.)
So by making it so that certain niche weapons are only available in one weapon type would make the actual weapon types stick out more.
They could always give the weapons different properties like Berwick Saga did; Lances doing more damaged based on how much you moved prior to initiating an attack, Axes having a chance to disarm the enemy, ETC.
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15 hours ago, Jotari said:
*Fire Emblem is not moving away from the weapon triangle imo. They didn't have it in Shadows of Valentia because that was a remake of a game that didn't have it, that was a good choice if they wanted to keep the same enemy formations as Gaiden. All lot of people are of the opinion that Shadow Dragon and New Mystery shouldnt have had the weapon triangle. So Three Houses is the only original game to lack it since it's inception in 1996. Meanwhile Heroes has ramped up the weapon triangle to be way more important for it's combat, and while heroes isn't a mainline game, it is still very much part of modern Fire Emblem and the design ideas of the series. It's not a coincidence a bunch of Heroes skill appeared in Three Houses. Other spin offs like Warriors and Tokyo Mirage Session also feature the weapon triangle under different gameplay, so it is pretty much one of the most defining features of the series at this point. I do t see one game and a remake as a pattern suggesting it's on the way out compared to everything else.
*Quite simply weapon triangle is an increase in complexity in the game, this is a good thing. Fire Emblem should not be a mindless experience where you don't have to think when attacking. Weapon triangle is simple, easy to remember and it makes a difference. The choice between which weapon to use becomes an actual choice beyond just using your Silver Sword because that's the best.
* Weapon triangle makes weapons more distinct. Without the weapon triangle the difference between axe, lance and swords is just the Mt to hit ratio which is already present in the different levels of weapons. Having a weapon triangle makes it meaningful for a class to get an extra weapon on promotion. Why would I ever grind up sword weapon ranks on my paladin when I can just stick to Silver Lances and Javelins which can do everything as good as swords can do right now, aside from the very rare need for an armour slayer?
The thing with the weapon triangle is the game has to support it, Fire Emblem: Warriors showed how a shoehorned in Weapon triangle only hurts a game in the long run and its clear it would've been better without it.
Basically the weapon triangle is nice to have, but doesn't need to be added all the time.
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1 hour ago, Jotari said:
And this quote box is here because I can't get rid of it on mobile.
I hate typing on mobile.
1 hour ago, Jotari said:Hell we don't even need evil female heretics for this to be a futile gesture. Gharnef can mind control people. He could easily mind control a woman into being an aurabot for him. Erimiya already existed when this conversation was written! As I have said before and so shall say again, the solution here was to always keep Aura and Excalibur as prf weapons and to make Starlight the best tome in the game.
Exactly. Females other then Linde being able to use Aura in the DS remakes always felt like a clear gameplay decision to allow Aura users in Iron Man runs. I always got the impression, lorewise, it was still Miloah/Linde only, same for Excalibur and Wendell/Merric.
Not only is that Warriors explanation asinine and unnecessary given its Linde-locked in Warriors anyhow, its terribly sexist.
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5 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said:
Gotoh placed restrictions on who can use Falchion. Also, who else you think the restriction that Marth's family is the only one who can use Falchion comes from if not from a blood bind?
Why not? The tome and the restriction still exist, and people exist that could get curious as ask.
Now that's an explanation I'd like to see on why Excalibur was retcon to have a similar bind. Specially since unless there's a connection we don't know about, Merric inheriting Excalibur from Wendell isn't the same as the Miloah to Linde pass.
There's plenty of other weapon restrictions like Rapiers to Princes and Lady sword to ladies.
Marth is descended from Anri's brother and not the man himself, remember? And that says nothing about blood line, only that that only the user could wield them.
Females being able to use Aura at A-Rank is simply gameplay and story separation so people who leveled a female magic user who wasn't Linde wouldn't be screwed out of the most powerful tome. Its the exact same for Excalibur. That Linde and Merric are the still only ones that can use Aura and Excalibur respectively at E-Rank shows its still canon that they're locked to them and not their gender.
Warriors doesn't even include the gender restriction and goes with the FE1-FE3 style rule of Aura is Linde only so including such a lorebreaking and backwards reasoning is simply terrible writing and I'm not going to hear any more defenses of it in this topic.
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2 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said:
The expression "wrong hands" can imply just one person. In this case Gharnef. Again, we don't know the circumstances of Miliah resorting to such a thing. Maybe he thought as long it didn't went to Gharnef directly, it'd be fine since few magic users are as strong as him. Saying he didn't had any inclination that a woman magic user who could be evil is too much of a presumption.
Can he even do it? The whole "only Miloah's bloodline can use it" was actually the work of Gotoh. He blood binded Aura, same as he blood binded Falchion to Anri and his family. Miloah likely just couldn't do such a thing as it was out of his league.
Its almost always used as a general term meaning anyone bad, not a specific bad guy. And given all the other weaker magicians able to blood bond their stuff, I see no reason why Miloah wouldn't be able to do the same thing and its the original explanation.
Falchion is not mentioned to be Blood bonded, otherwise Marth wouldn't be able to use it.
And of course there was no reason for idiotic explanation in the first place given Aura is Linde only in Warriors.
Whats next, Wendell sealing Excalibur to males because his feared its power would be too much for females to handle?
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Just now, Acacia Sgt said:
The line is "Father feared [the tome] would fall into the wrong hands". That implies he was thinking on Gharnef in mind, since I'm sure Gharnef didn't made it a secret he resented not being the one who got the tome. Sure, making it women-only sounds perhaps too drastic, but again, we don't know the circumstances when he made such restriction. He at least found a way to restrict it so Gharnef couldn't use it, but his daughter could.
Linde: Maybe you're sensing the restriction on the tome? Father feared it would fall into the wrong hands, so only women can use it.
Nope its specifically wrong hands in general, not specifically Gharnef. And again its dumb because its assuming the wrong hands would never be a woman's and its an unnecessary explanation since Aura is Linde only in Warriors anyhow.
If Miloah wanted to protect it, he'd seal it to his blood line, so only he and Linde could use it, not perform some idiotic gender restriction spell.
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1 minute ago, Acacia Sgt said:
Yeah... that doesn't say Miloah made it women only because they don't fall into evil. Only that he put such a restriction to avoid it falling into evil.
As you know, the current evil around was a certain dark MALE sorcerer who ended up killing Miloah because Gotoh didn't gave the tome to him.
Could've even be a spur of the moment thing. "I must restrict it, but how!? Hmm, if I do this then my daughter can still use it!"
The wording said evil in general, not specifically Gharnef, as if one of Gharnef's heretic bishops or Medeus's followers would never be female.
The original explanation of it being sealed to Miloah's bloodline makes the most, other females being able to use it at A-rank in the DS games comes off as a mere gameplay measure and in Warriors only Linde can use Aura anyhow, so there was no reason for that stupid and sexist line.
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4 minutes ago, Ottservia said:
Actually the one who told her about Emmeryn’s assassination was Henry. That’s revealed in either supports or a drama CD
I believe he mentions he did it because Emmeryn's death would mean stopping the war which would mean stopping the "fun."
Also here's that stupid Warriors line about women not falling into evil.
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1 minute ago, Alastor15243 said:
No, like I said, these characters often get into situations where they'd have to kill somebody in order to save the day, but other people do it instead so that the story can preserve the hero's "purity". They've demonstrated in doing so that there is no moral to teach because somtimes murder is the most or even only moral solution. They just want to keep their protagonist "wholesome" for cynical marketing or narrative reasons.
I always think of disney animated films in these discussions: the hero always spares the villain, then the villain immediately tries to backstab them, but then gets strike by lightning and falls off a cliff or some deus ex machine along those lines.
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Just now, Alastor15243 said:
Chriiiiiiiist. Seriously? This I have to see. That's dumb.
Its in Linde and Tharja's supports.
Remember what I said about many writers for Fire Emblem being too sexist/old fashioned to have females being evil of their own violition.
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Ugh I'm reminded by the earlier discussion that Warriors claims in a support that Miloah sealed Aura so only females could use it because females would always have pure hearts.
1 hour ago, Alastor15243 said:...then that would put this village... basically exactly where the Fire Dragon Graveyard used to be. Which I have to assume was too big to be easily walked around, otherwise why the fuck would we walk through a dragon-infested hellpit of molten magma?
...Can... can climate and geological formations change this drastically in 2,000 years? How long does it take a volcanic wasteland to stop being a volcanic wasteland? Genuine question. I'm no geologist. I just thought I'd throw all this info out there before we begin.
They didn't even check the map is what I gather given all the other mistakes.
1 hour ago, Alastor15243 said:Chrom talks a lot about his allegedly brutal and shitty father, and... really, given that, again, the country he invaded was founded with the express purpose of trying to bring about the end of human existence, we're gonna need some more details about what his father did to Plegia that would make Plegia justified in being angry about the conflict. We do at least hear that the war brutally impacted his own country, because he was such a colossal dumbass that he conscripted farmers into the war when his army started running out, which crippled the nation's food supply and nearly completely destroyed the country.
...Okay, so, I'm no anthropologist, but... that sounds, just on instinct, like we'd be seeing more of the effects of this damage if all this only happened fifteen years ago. A quick google search says that the reconstruction of the south after the American Civil War took twelve years, but something tells me we should still be seeing the effects of this.
This issue will get worse later.
1 hour ago, Alastor15243 said:Oh hey, look, it's Panne! The last surviving member of a race of creatures who came into existence and then went extinct in the utterly bullshit evolutionary timeframe of a mere 2000 years! Also, she uses stones to transform, inexplicably. The fuck's going on with that? Did a similar calamity happen with the Taguel forcing them to lock their true forms away (though not nearly as well given the ears and fur), or have they just coincidentally always had to transform in the exact same way that dragons later wound up forced to transform? How did the Taguel discover their mysterious symbiotic relationship with these stones? Why do shops all over the two fucking continents sell these stones that only one living creature on earth can possibly make use of? Do they have other purposes?
Ugh the taguel are an attempt to shoehorn in Beast Laguz with zero actual effort in world building in a setting that in no way permits their proclaimed history. Why didn't they just bring in Halberdiers if they wanted something from Tellius?
1 hour ago, Alastor15243 said:Yeah, Emmeryn just shows complete shock that a genocide against Panne's people happened. Where did her people live? Why does Panne's warren owe Ylisse a debt that she came tonight to repay? I have so many questions!
But the game has no desire to explain. This is like... this is like the bare minimum effort you can put in to establishing an oppressed fantasy race.
With Lethe, we saw countless examples of the Laguz prejudice, with Panne, we see her talking about how everyone oppresses Taguel, but everyone we meet has no idea the Taguel exist in the first place!
No one cares enough about the genocide to research it, not even Chrom.
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2 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said:
Unless Naga delayed turning for some reason, the Decline of the Dragon Age happened centuries before Tiki was born, when it was declared they must turn to Manaketes or go mad. Tiki is always referred as recently born when she was put to sleep, which was after around 250 years from the Divine-Earth War, which was definitely after those that became Manaketes did so.
Looking at the timeline, it doesn't say when Tiki was born.
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1 minute ago, Alastor15243 said:
Hey, great to see you again too! Thanks for the info! You gonna be sticking around for this one?
I'll try to.
Thoughts on the weird Gangrel and Grimleal backstory?
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Hey its been a very long time and its great to see you again.
4 hours ago, Alastor15243 said:Especially when, according to the wiki, the country of Plegia was founded by Grimleal.
It seems the Grimleal founded the country, but lost power, it isn't explained well..like many things in Awakening.
4 hours ago, Alastor15243 said:Also, I'm getting conflicting information about Gangrel's role in Grimleal...ism...? I could've sworn he was the only thing keeping the Grimleal out of power in the country, but apparently he actually made Grimleal...ism... mandatory and heavily popularized it? I am very, very confused. Do any supports shine light on this?
Gangrel's motivations in particular are infamously inconsistent, but the picture painted in suppports and the Art of Awakening is alot like Arvis relationship with the Loptyrians:
- Grimleal find an angry and crazy criminal on the streets, they prop him up and help him attain power over the country.
- As part of the deal he made, the now King Gangrel gives the Grimleal almost absolute power to send inquisitions to persecute and oppress Plegian citizens into joining the Grimleal among other things, thus setting the stage for Grima's revival.
- Gangrel is basically just power-mad and has no real motivation or beliefs, he's just with the Grimleal for conveniences sake and knows they're using him as well .
39 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said:Except that even back in Mystery it stablished Tiki was born after Naga became a Manakete.
Where was that directly established?
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On 12/14/2020 at 12:49 PM, BrightBow said:
Really? News to me. Where did it fall out of favor? Even Warriors has it, apparently.
Warriors shoehorning the weapon triangle in a game without a balanced roster to support weapon triangle, I'd argue is a reason, its fallen out of favor recently.
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On 12/5/2020 at 1:32 AM, Jotari said:
So is the Falchion mandatory in the first game? Or can I kill Medeus with a wyrmslayer/Gradivus/Tiki? I'm trying to do a Marth solo and I'm wondering if Flachion is necessary (which would require it to be a Marth+some mage solo thanks the Starlight).
Any weapon at melee range can kill Medeus, Parthia, Pachyderm and Tomes are out. Gradivus works but make sure the unit wielding it is attacking Medeus at melee.
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6 minutes ago, Weeping Dalek (MK) said:
Even then, what is she worth levelling for?
Only if you liked her as a character, I suppose.
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On 11/17/2020 at 10:58 AM, Oersted_LAL said:
Sup, I'm some Baka who hacks Shadows of Valentia, and has made a couple neat things. That's pretty much all I need to say I guess. Nothing else to really talk about I think
What have you hacked?
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17 hours ago, Weeping Dalek (MK) said:
Healers aren't worth levelling in FE1
1. Setting up levels for them is annoying
2. Stat boosters are insane in FE1 (like, +6 iirc) so if you're worried about healers' stats then just give them stat boosters honestly
Elice is the only one worth leveling, but it takes turns exploiting thieves attacking her on a fort. All other base healers have terrible growths.
Honestly probably just better to use Wendell.
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Emmeryn basically ends up wrong, mass murder was needed to stop the Grimleal in the end.