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    Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)

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    10 hours ago, SullyMcGully said:

    I just gave it a quick readover, like I said I like Athena's case, I see they backed down but I fail to see like a smoking gun in any of your responses? So I'm kinda wondering what it is you said that made @Athena_57 decide to let up on pressuring you. 

    Tbh the reason I backed down was that it was almost 2AM here and I wanted to sleep lmao

    Reason I unvoted earlier today is that I'm less set on one of weiner/claire necessarily being scum than I was and that Kaif post was just a massive ooph for me. So rn I'm thinking whether I want to go Claire or not bc what I'm holding against weiner fits her to some extent as well or whether I just want to drop the two of them entirely for now. (Also part of me is still playing with the thought of voting weiner again) In other words, my unvote is mostly a "Hold on, lemme think"-thing

    Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)

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    3 minutes ago, weinerboy said:

    Occam's razor to me suggests at least one person on that Ichigo wagon. No way scum just outright ignores the potential to get towncred as Ichigo wasn't exactly the most revered person on D1. When it comes to the other two? It's a bit more messy, but I talked about my PoE so let's go from there. Curious what Jester says knowing that his argument about me sitting on marth is not even true lol

    sigh, maybe you're right, I'll look over jester's posts + EOD again when I'm less tired tomorrow, I should be around a decent amount then

    I also kind of want to see where Claire takes things today / what the amy slot does before I consider more scenarios there

    2 minutes ago, Shinori said:

    Random filler being all of the stuff related to your claire fascination.

    Also I didn't know you had a scum game off site so oof.  I'm more or less comparing this game with waifu which I thought you played fairly well in and I think your play style here is slightly different.

    He linked his game to me at some point, he only made 7 posts before subbing out so that might be worth checking (I myself didn't get much out of it but I haven't seen much of town!sully either so :shrug:)

    Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)

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    5 minutes ago, weinerboy said:

    I just think they weren't here, or didn't see it coming, at least not in a way that could be seen if that makes sense. Bart wasn't really inclined to get off Ichigo and my memory is a bit fuzzy on the means but his wagon was starting to form and the pressure was starting to dissipate. I don't really feel like it was a conscious bus, I've seen wagons on scum happen and then fall off and then a mate just stays on there cause it might look good later on. However, that didn't happen. Scum didn't respond to the situation cause there was no need. I can say one thing with confidence and it's not that Ichigo's wagon was planned, but I do think someone was at the least involved. If we factor this in then you have a ton of people who tried their best to distance themselves from the situation, but then you have also have RAD who offered to CFD onto me which is uh interesting to say the least.

    Idk man, maybe you're right in that it went too fast / unanticipated for them. I think in that case maybe they were confident in the Marth wagon pulling through until that dissolved and Ichigo was suddenly on top. Peak Marth wagon was like you/Ichigo/rad/via iirc? I feel like if scumteam is banking on Marth staying ahead of Ichigo they probably have 2 people on there? Via still clear so that points to RAD/you again imo, bc I'm not really seeing a world where scumteam's plan is to lynch Marth over Ichigo but they have 1 busser + 1 person on the sidelines?

    Other scenario would be no busser but just two people staying off entirely whilst they hope the Marth wagon wins which is ehhh

    Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)

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    4 minutes ago, Athena_57 said:

    (not super relevant for the overall story, but two of those were on wagon)

    I think the issue you're not really answering here is why is the scumteam handling EOD like this in such a case? Like, maybe I'm massively overstating this issue, but I don't really see a team with Ichigo/Bart/one of those following a coherent strategy as a team?

    With for example a Ichigo/Claire/jordan scumteam you have claire trying to swing the wagon to me and ichigo leaving himself open to vote town!you or me and jordan laying low to join either of those if it catches on, or just stay on rad if they don't. Similar setups work with Ichigo/Claire/??? or Ichigo/you/???, but not really without any of ichigo's partners doing smth bc ichigo's actions don't make sense to me in that context.

    I meant town!RAD or me here, tho ig both work

    Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)

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    5 minutes ago, weinerboy said:

    I gave Jordan a handwave on D1 that didn't elaborate on for feeling like his posts were so careless that it couldn't possibly come from scum, but that sounds condescending in hindsight. I realize in some way I gave Amy the same pass but being in the predicament I am in it's different. I think that what could've happened is that Bart realized he was into trouble so maybe not intentionally Ichigo decided to take the fall because that early instance where everyone was on him and commenting could be counted off as happenstance and not something that was telling, and this is something I was trying to fight against. It's really hard to say 'I don't wanna talk about' because it's a lie and I definitely do but I digress. To answer you more clearly if my stubbornness happens to be right I'd say finding scum off the wagon for me rn would lie in Jester/RAD/Shinori/Sully because I remember have vague reasons for liking Shinori and he doesn't have a strong presence. In terms of how I'd rate it from varying confidence? Jester > RAD > Shinori > Claire = Jordan. If Bart isn't scum and I make an ass out of myself? I don't really feel much changes.

    (not super relevant for the overall story, but two of those were on wagon)

    I think the issue you're not really answering here is why is the scumteam handling EOD like this in such a case? Like, maybe I'm massively overstating this issue, but I don't really see a team with Ichigo/Bart/one of those following a coherent strategy as a team?

    With for example a Ichigo/Claire/jordan scumteam you have claire trying to swing the wagon to me and ichigo leaving himself open to vote town!you or me and jordan laying low to join either of those if it catches on, or just stay on rad if they don't. Similar setups work with Ichigo/Claire/??? or Ichigo/you/???, but not really without any of ichigo's partners doing smth bc ichigo's actions don't make sense to me in that context.

    Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)

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    1 minute ago, weinerboy said:

    You disagree with me but I'm pretty sure one was on Ichigo and then the other two were probably scumming it up elsewhere. I can't even fathom Via's replace and the way he replaced out to be scum motivated which is awesome cause he's essentially clear and even more awesome because you have 3 people who fit the bill. In my perspective it's important but not in the way this day is panning out.

    I'm not saying I'm not open to the idea of a busser ftr. I'm just sort of ??? on what the other member was doing and how Ichigo's behaviour at EOD fited with that. Like let's run with the scum!Bart scenario. Let's also say the other scummember isn't one of the people trying to create a counterwagon, so it's like xnad or whatever who's just laying low. Why has the team given up on him when jester, maybe marth/me are possible counterwagons being thrown out and why is ichigo giving out spew when his team has given up on him?

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    4 minutes ago, weinerboy said:

    Because I made a positive comment about him and complimented his playstyle to some degree so he felt like he could pocket me even if a bit slightly? There's more scenarios than one you know. I fully admit my hesitance was based on that factor but not fully, another being obsessive with my own priority.

    For clarity, I'm not saying you're lockscum for it either, but it is something I'm holding against you and whilst I don't have any real hard scumreads elsewhere and not a real good idea of what scumteam was doing if not trying to create a counterwagon like you/claire/rad did it makes you my de facto top scumread. Speaking of which, could you answer this:
     

    2 hours ago, Athena_57 said:

    I sort of feel that last part, but what do you (also @weinerboy ) think scumteam was doing at EOD if not trying to get a counterwagon going? Dunn was, imo, definitely not a dead man walking, at least before the sully vote, and out there giving spew so idt scumteam gave up on him.

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    2 minutes ago, weinerboy said:

    ..Wouldn't it be better if I were scum to just vote Ichigo despite my vocal statement of them both being null? I even said I was OK with either but I took a risk cause I believe in my ability to persuade or at least I would like to believe in it because nobody seems persuaded

    In retrospect, yes. But a hypothetical scum!you might have felt he could get a wagon elsewhere

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    Just now, weinerboy said:

    I think I am on opposing ends with this game, in no way is anyone besides maybe Via clear on that wagon, it did not seem something that just happened in favor of town. Why again is Bart town? Gotta be honest I stil am not getting shit with Sully so uh Sully wanna talk to me one-on-one because I read your posts as tonedeaf.

    No-one on there is clean, but I do think the timing of the votes from Jester and Sully look great on them (see my first post of today), hence why I'm giving them a townread (note: not a clear)

    Bart is town for the same reason I had him as town yesterday, which is that his earlygame makes more sense from town!bart in that him trying to create content there is likelier than some weirdass way to handle his vote as scum. Not my strongest townread, and the likeliest busser imo, but a townread nonetheless 

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    1 minute ago, weinerboy said:

    - I didn't vote for a long period of time so im scummy
    - I handwaved ichigo/marth debacle and had no strong read on ichigo there wanted to lynch someone else so im scummy

    Is that about it? Help me help you if I'm missing somethjing
     

    You tried to create a wagon at EOD (one of the two Dunn approved of) and Dunn didn't want to join a CFD on you to save himself.

    Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)

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    Ngl Bart, I'm not really seeing your Claire case in that I don't really understand why it makes her scum? I can agree her case on you was bad, but I don't think it's so bad it's scummy

    16 minutes ago, Mitsuru Kirijo said:

    Like honestly Sully's scumread on me is downright the worst of all given his previous comments on me. I basically took the worst possible approach to the Dunn wagon and he thinks I'm scum for it? Sully is the one who said I'm really good at mafia. I'm even better at scum. I've won an SK game hell. People in this game know that I know how to take advantage of situations. I wouldn't be in this spot in the first place if I was scum honestly. (The fact everyone seems to have me and weiner Poe is a bit of a worry but I'll wait on that) 

    I sort of feel that last part, but what do you (also @weinerboy ) think scumteam was doing at EOD if not trying to get a counterwagon going? Dunn was, imo, definitely not a dead man walking, at least before the sully vote, and out there giving spew so idt scumteam gave up on him.

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    12 hours ago, Jester's Gestures said:

    ##Vote @weinerboy
    Vote patterns seems sus. Gonna wait until more people talk before saying more.

    Why though?

    @SullyMcGully Could you link me your scumgame on MU?

     

    Obvious stuff but good to have stated:

    Jester's vote timing (tying Marth/Ichigo wagons when it was 4 on Marth, 3 on Ichigo) looks really good on him. Ichigo was already the leading wagon when sully voted, but his vote was def the nail in the coffin at a time when Ichigo hadn't given up yet imo and therefore not a likely bus vote. I already had Via as locktown but if I hadn't yet I would now. If there's a busser it's most likely Bart, but even that is iffy and I already had a townread there, so I'm inclined to think the wagon is clean.

    Three people tried to start EOD wagons, Weiner, Claire and RAD on jester, me and weiner respectively. Of note, Ichigo approved of the former two, but not the one on weiner.

    With Claire I really liked how she had a bunch of scumreads on D1 bc what I remember from scum!Claire (note: this was ITP!Claire, not mafia) her plan was to have one scumread and make that seem genuine to stick to that for content and her making more 'waves' is smth I townread her for. That said, I can't really find a satisfactory explanation for her scumreads on either me or more importantly weiner. @Mitsuru Kirijo Can you sort of recap those for me?

    With Weiner I townread him for his overall good analysis of shit like the bart wagon but looking back his vote history is kind of bad. (Marth->Nobody for a longish time->Jester) @weinerboy What's your stance on Jester atm?

    RAD is just sort of questionable stances on Marth/Dunn but reaaaally good tone so eh. Town points for his turbo not being approved of by Ichigo bc I'd expect scumteam to coordinate that stuff?

    All three have medium Dunn interactions going both ways with them mostly ignoring him / nulltownish reading him in rad's case and dunn supporting each of them a bit at some point. (Too lazy to link rn, ask me if you want them)

    I don't really want to delve into the Marth NK since it's probably just him being near lockclear by interaction + being a good player, esp w/ via suggesting a sub out marth is the clear kill.

     

    Lynchpool for me today is the three I mentioned before, with Claire/Weiner a step over RAD.

    ##Vote: @weinerboy

    Seems like a good start for end of day shenanigans.

     

    Townreads on Jester/Bart/Sully (pending whether his scumgame matches this game or not) / Via
    Null on Kaif/Shinori/Jordan/RAD
    Would lynch Weiner/Claire

    Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)

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    5 hours ago, SullyMcGully said:

    I'm caught up on reading. I'm really exhausted tonight but just a few thoughts:

    @Athena_57 when I said some defenses of Bart weren't very townsided I was referring mainly to Marth's which I felt like was sugarcoating Bart's scumminess. This logic of mine is getting a little dated at this point and I'll update it later, but here's what I mean:

    Bart is definitely acting scummy. 

    Anybody who says Bart is town should be saying "I know he looks like scum, but he isn't really." They should not be giving him a pass or acting like this is a normal way for town to act. And IIRC that's what Marth did in his first post regarding Bart. It wasn't until later that Marth started to treat Bart like he actually needed defending.

    @Bartozio I'm not saying you're an idiot, sorry if I sounded offensive, but I'm saying that it's not outside of the realm of possibility that you slipped up early on. And then backtracked afterwards when you realized it was a mistake. And the more you post, the more I can see this as being you as frantic town not wanting to be mislynched, but this is all dependent on your meta of being a frequent D1 mislynch. In a vacuum you look scummy. If another player were doing what you're doing they'd look scummy. And I don't feel entirely comfortable with it. I think it was Marth who said they expected you to be lazier as scum, but IMO how lazy/motivated scum is isn't necessarily as tied to an individual player's meta as it is tied to how they fit in/what is required of them by the rest of the scumteam. 

    My posts are starting to be less grounded in reality and more grounded in reality as I remember it. I'm too tired to be doing this right now. Sometime soon I'm going to do some rereading and get my reads straight. It's gonna be a while before I post again though. I'll probably be back in before DL but in case I'm not, I'm leaving my vote on Bart because he's the player I feel like is most likely to be scum. And if he isn't, at least it gives us a lot of info to work with regarding Claire, Dunn, Marth and some others.

    I was actually considering making a case on Marth while I was gone today, but some things in his later posts have given me a better feeling about him. Like I said early on that I expected better from him and it feels like he's improved his reads a bit. There's probably more there if I read into it. 

    Hard agree w/ Shinori that that is a terrible attitude to take wrt bart. Your viewpoint is more likely to come from a "treat everyone fairly/equally" than a "discern alignment"- mindset. Reads to me more like scum angry someone gets to be scummy than anything.

    Why are you scumreading Marth again? Iirc it was bc you wanted his reads to be better, but I don't really see how he's been less productive than others like amy/shinori for example. What makes him worse?

    Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)

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    First reaction to jester was that I didn't like it bc I disagreed with a lot, but after rereading I don't hate it as much. I need to actually get on a computer and pull up the pages he's referring to but idk when that will happen

    1 minute ago, Shinori said:

    I asked via that question and they gave me a refa quote athena.  Go check it. ^^^^

    Aight, will do

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    3 minutes ago, Vi-astra said:

    you know what I'm kinda starting to think marth is scum actually 

    Really? I was doing a reread (well, reskim) there bc I wanted to doublecheck him/refa for having somewhat easy pushes but I really liked his loose posting... What makes you think he's scum?

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    1 minute ago, Ampharos said:

    no, fuck, athena's right

    well damn i wish you hadn't told me that, there goes my sense of urgency

    Well, my fortune cookie told me that if we didn't get our act together in 2 hours my great-aunt may experience a slight inconvenience so maybe that gives some sense of urgency

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