Athena_57
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Top 10 anime betrayals
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6 minutes ago, weinerboy said:
Alright yeah I can try
What I meant by Amy/Refa and how they are different is that I feel like how I know Refa and how I've seen him play he is more self-aware, which isn't always synonymous to self-conscious because you can be aware of yourself but not be self-conscious cause the latter implies you're kinda insecure yeah?
Amy's self-consciousness in this regard doesn't feel forced, seems very natural. I don't expect the same for Refa however because I feel like he is more in touch with himself, less awkward and even if he was I feel he'd be really good at faking it, and with Amy I do not feel that. I feel her awkwardness and how eager she was being earlier on when she was signaling others to talk to her was very genuine and perhaps attributed to nervousness cause I get the vibe in some way Amy wants to impress which I'm not knocking because usually people will listen to you better if you feel it got all together. Is this making more sense now? Refa doesn't need to try to have it all together, he's pretty good at looking like he's keeping his cool.Okay, I get what you mean at least, thanks! I'll reread it with that in mind and get back to you
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9 minutes ago, weinerboy said:
I have too many uncertainties, voting Bart would be like giving into my decadence but I don't think it's necessarily productive. I really want people to get back to me about Sully and even look at my wall cause I don't write them for self-accomplishment I write them cause I want to talk to others and get feedback
4 hours ago, weinerboy said:Amy - One of my strongest townreads to be honest. I think Refa/Amy offer an interesting parallel where I find both to be self-assured on how they play but Refa would be uh self-aware? This is something I feel Amy lacks, which is a good thing because that means Amy is just posting because she wants to and not because of a requirement. Her comments on Claire and wanting people to interact with her can be fabricated yes but I don't feel that way because they didn't seem deliberate. I find it funny how she says she's self-conscious which honestly shows but the flaws that Refa might have rightfully picked up on don't seem like they're something Amy overlooked intentionally rather in her excitement/eagerness didn't think about it because just getting it out there was far more important.
This read was kind of ??? for me, in part bc I'm not really seeing what you're seeing wrt posting bc she wants to. (This is where I could ask you to pull up examples, but I've read her posts and am just not really getting that vibe) I'm also a bit confused what you see as self-aware vs self-conscious bc I had them as basically synonymous whereas you call Refa the one and Amy the other?
Wrt sully... I think the points he's making are better and with more conviction than what I'd expect of scum!him? I haven't played with scum!him but from playing with town!him / hearing he's been scum it'd surprise me if this was him faking it. (no offense) Reading back, it isn't that spectacular, but a townread of mine for sure.
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Confident-ish townread on Claire
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5 minutes ago, Bartozio said:
I'm not really sure what to say about Athena other then: I liked his read progression on me, but I also feel like he'd have a better read on other people (which is really just what I said in my wall).
I feel flattered
5 minutes ago, weinerboy said:I dunno when I read Ichigo in X-site as scum I felt like he had prescient insight about things like small strokes of genius, but here he seems to be only responding to comments made about him exclusively
Maybe you two clash because of ur big egos or somethinWhat alignment did he have there?
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@Shinori What is it that you (falsely?) scumread Dunn for in earlier games?
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19 minutes ago, Mitsuru Kirijo said:
I liked some of jordans posting but this struck me out as super scummy. It’s basically going ‘Rad has to read me as town or he’s scum.’ That doesn’t feel very towny at all and just because someone has a great read rate on you doesn’t mean mistakes can’t happen. We’re humans who can fuck up. Not robots who are perfect.
Did I mention town!Bart has a 100% rate on me?
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This return here + the next few posts from Dunn don't change my mind at all bc it was almost all reactive. He doesn't follow up on his Bart scumread and I'm not really sure what his problem w/ Marth is. Vote stays.
@Ichigo What are your thoughts on Barts later posts? What do you think of my stance that Bart's early behaviour is likelier to come from pressurecreating town than opportunistic scum? What about the sully post you quoted makes you believe Marth is scum? Can you give me some townleans?
4 hours ago, SullyMcGully said:Overall, I feel better about Bart but some things are still nagging me + some player's defenses of Bart have been very weak and lack town motivation.
This last bit was interesting to me! Which defenses are you referring to and what makes them not-town motivated?
13 minutes ago, Bartozio said:Right, lets see
Athena started voting me, but his progression to not voting/defending me felt natural enough to me. (content outside of that pinged me though.)
Claire came in and started the real wagon I feel, since a lot of votes after that were sheeping her. Didn't like her reasoning, but from a wagon point of view, it came after Via mentioned he suspected me a bit, but then read my explanation and felt better, and Marth posted he townread me, so definitly not sus in that regard.
Rad was then the first to sheep Claire. He did express some suspision on Claire's post (a different part then the scumred on me), but with how quick that was dropped, it felt more like token suspision to me.
Athena dropped off here then.
Weiner and Refa expressed suspision on me without voting me, which is also intresting in the grand scheme of things. Oh, and Via even.
Then Xnad came in not suspecting me.
Followed by Dunn and Sully's votes. Oh wait, Dunn didn't vote. Still expressed suspision though.
And then Amy also expressed suspision while voting elsewhere.
I could write a whole book work about which scum compositions do and don't make sense based off of this, but that's only going to be relevant after we get flips, so I'm going to hold off there.
Considering not the whole scum team will get behind lynching me though (or at least, that's very unlikely), I'd say it's pretty likely one of Athena or Xnad is scum. That, or scum is spread between voting me and holding off but clearly suspecting me, likely mostly focussed in the later group. Xnad feels most likely from this narative. Going to think about this for a bit, but consider my suspision here risen.
Could you clarify your Claire conclusion, I'm not following it
Wdym token suspicion?
Define interesting for me here.
Your conclusion is kinda weird in that you say scum is between the people sussing you but the names you list are both not doing that. From what I recall of you earlier posts you had sully/claire (the ppl voting you) as town so this leaves weiner/refa/via who are all in my townleans list. What do you think of them?
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18 minutes ago, Athena_57 said:
I agree w/ liking sully, also I think jordan's thoughts here are coming from a different mindset / are in a different style from what I remember from training (where he was scum) Will do an ISO on him there at some point, but placing a townread there for now.
Okay, maybe I should dial down my townread on jordan bc the context of his posts that other game was pretty different (under pressure, in a 1v1)
Still think it holds a little bit of merit though
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##Vote: @Ichigo
Bc Marth asked so nicely ;)
I agree w/ liking sully, also I think jordan's thoughts here are coming from a different mindset / are in a different style from what I remember from training (where he was scum) Will do an ISO on him there at some point, but placing a townread there for now.
@Magnificence Incarnate I can see why you say RAD is a safe vote from Amy, but at the same time this also holds for our dunn (ichigo is dunn right) votes and in the town!bart case rad's entrance isn't great, so I don't mind it all that much.
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3 minutes ago, Refa said:
I'm not going off of meta here cause I've never had a great meta read on Bart's alignment personally. I'm uh assuming he was town in Training. What do you think about my other points?
Kind of reluctant to drop this read because it's my strongest conviction in this game and I'm reading most of the playerbase as null (not even town!!).
It's okay if you drive me crazy as long as you're town. Just ask Conq.
No, I mean I'm basing it off of how I personally would act as town in his place, which is the way he did. I agree with your other points and also still like my original points (tone which is condescending/too reasonable/whatever you want to all it). Ngl I was dismissing those a bit bc I'm with you on the massive null list and was trying to move him out
I might go back there or maybe join you on Amy who had some of the same issues but it's just a bit rude to not wait until she gets back
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6 minutes ago, Refa said:
I think that's scummy haha. You do you, though.
Is it? I was working off my own meta here lmao. I think in training me/bart had a similar interaction as bart/amy here and then I was like whatever I'll vote w/ you. Maybe it is just scummy in general :thinking: Would appreciate 3rd/4th opinions from others here!
Also, do you still want me to do me when I tell you I was trying to read into you alphabetically ordering your ping-questions? -
9 minutes ago, Athena_57 said:
I'm going to read back some games w/ him to see whether I can find the condescendingness in his towngames or not and will get back to you
Okay I tried this but didn't actually find anything spectacular in either his town or scum games so I'm just going to call it scummy in a vacuum. But I also still think stopping the conversation w/ Amy and voting Claire there looks more like a townie that wants to get some pressure going than scum that wants to shut down the argument.
So... mild town?
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1 hour ago, Refa said:
@Athena_57 Can you reevaluate your Bartozio read? It's fine if you don't think he's scummy any more, but my impression from your unvote was that it was a kneejerk reaction to him being wagoned.
I think the word kneejerk is very much accurate, it was also bc my two co-wagoners were people I had a "bad-ish vibes but maybe just null"-read on and I was like maybe it's a bad idea to vote Bart over tone/style when that's what often catches him flak. I'm going to read back some games w/ him to see whether I can find the condescendingness in his towngames or not and will get back to you
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Oh, I also had the bad pings coming from Claire but she reads like someone who has that style regardless of alignment so I'm ignoring it for now
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56 minutes ago, Mitsuru Kirijo said:
This is a pretty strange point A to point B mindset that I really really dislike from Bart. He goes on before talking on he’s not so sold on me being scum but I kid you not one post later he goes from ‘ehhh maybe’ to what I just quoted for you. That doesn’t seem real to me. That feels like someone who tried to fake understanding of a read and pretended to buy it right after that as an excuse to vote. His egging on of getting Ampharos to vote doesn’t help either. Just the overall confidence of this post is strange and off.
##Vote: @BartozioThis actually made me want to
##Unvote
because I went back to check this opinionswap and it's not really true in that there's a post in between those (which you may have actually missed), which is where the actual vote happens. I agree his opinions-swap is still sudden, but I actually like that here bc I feel scum is more careful about that shit whereas town is likelier to flip reads to add pressure somewhere. Also something something quick wagon growth on Bart.
@RADicate Can you talk to me about Bart?
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Idk if I could play mafia without my free locktown via
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2 minutes ago, Bartozio said:
K, fair enough. I liked Weiner's play so far, and I think the only agenda he could have for not joining the Claire band wagon is that they're both scum, which is a scenario we might as well consider after lynching Claire.
So let's make Yolo-sempai proud and clap us some Claire I guess?
If by love you mean "I had a great rvs post all thought out, but then the game already got half serious before I arrived and now I don't wanna post it anymore. Oh god, am I getting lynched for going to bed before deadline again", then yes.
Also like... lol, it's rvs, what were you expecting other than easy accusations? It reminded me a bit of Honneybottoms (played by Walrein, which may or may not have been Amphy, I suck at name changes) in CupHeads mafia going an entire phase without moving off an rvs vote, even though they interjected relevant game thoughts (they were scum, and yes it's early D1, but it started similar). Currently, it being probably more personality than allignment driven and their opinions not being bad is giving me a slight townlean there though.
What are your thoughts on Amphy, Weiner and Claire?
mood
That compatison is bad imo, since the worst part about that game you're referring to is relevant to the time spent on the vote but if I squint my eyes I can sort of see town!you thinking it makes sense?
Here, have a triple null:
Amy: main emotion I'm getting is reasonable which is miiildly scummy if anything and main content is content production, which is good
Claire: null, no alig indic content imo
Weiner: I'd sheep amy's explanation for very mild town
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1 minute ago, Ampharos said:
Define "eh".
48 minutes ago, Bartozio said:Fair enough.
I'd advice you to make sure your vote is either on who you suspect most or the person you're currently focussing on. That said:
##Unvote
##Vote: @Mitsuru Kirijo
Btw, thoughts on Weiner so far?
"Okay yiu're right let's drop this argument"
General/obvious advice, mildly condescending
I read this as a back to rvs vote but looking back this may have been him agreeing w/ you which would be less bad
Not awful, but easy group question
There's nothing damning here but the entire thing is just sort of "eh" (dont have a better word) which maes it the scummiest thing I've seen up till now
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Morning!
"Why aren't you voting your scumread" is a pretty easy accusation. Also that entire last post is eh
##Vote: @Bartozio
Hey Bart, do you love these phase times as much as I do?
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In!
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Gg scum, you played today very well. Especially Bart, you pocketed me hard lmao. I feel like shit about my play, especially towards Marth/Mackc, sorry about voting you guys...
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Fuck.
Arctic Mafia (Game Thread)
in Mafia
Posted
Okay, I can buy this more now, also bc I resaw their readslist which I'll oversimplify as "Idk, but Bart is weird and RAD needs pressure" which is pretty much where I was at at that point of the thread.
I was gonna do a readslist, but it only has a grand total of one scumread, so... At least I feel pretty good about my townpile! I may do a reason/thoughtdump tomorrow unless someone is amazingly curious about someone rn.
My null or worse group is pretty much shinori/rad/
refajester/jordan/dunn and I'm half hoping this list only misses one of the three. Yes this is a lazy ass pile but I really like all the others so :shrug: