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I can agree with this. It did bother me too actually. I think Snike is hyper aware of bad looks and is playing around that. Care to make a real case?

If he could fake it then he has to be faking it? Please explain

Was me I think. I was FOSing him but I didn't actually scumread him. I was trying to make a decision and force him to make a bad post if the case was bad

What do you think about weapons then? Before arcanite Iirc you said you wanted to Lynch a sub early on. Said you'd only lunch a sub. What changed

Alette is there anything that makes you think you could be wrong about snike? I'm looking for a deeper thought process here

Can you point to where I scumread him?

@Walrein i do pretty much agree with Omega here post a reads list you have the time

When would you get results on the watch: when it was first tried, or when it actually landed after the delay?

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What exactly is alarming, besides being wrong?

Getting rid of back of mind suspicions. Alright. If you had full claimed it would look worse here. Snyoke being ITP makes sense, actually. I wasn't really considering that. What exactly are all of their powers?

going to sleep before I come up with any more reasons to doubt myself

My case on Kirsche is subbed up in: JB and Shinori both avoided a Kirsche lynch in favor of eclipse counter wagon. imo this was a suboptimal move unless Kirsche was also mafia? Also, Kirsche's EoD defense stuff was bad. Really bad. I was sure he was flailing mafia. I wanted to clear him but it still doesn't read genuine even now. Goddamn it. Don't make me reread shit at 5AM. I am now reading these posts and I am not getting the same impression that I was at the time. This was the post that bothered me: I felt like this read as very strange wording and desperate Mafia. In the heat of the moment I jumped on the first real tell of one of them being Mafia. Now I just think he was in a hurry and didn't really have any other way to word it. Ending a sentence with a preposition always sounds off. Trying to come up with a possible explanation for the Shinori and Jaybee eclipse choice if I am wrong about Kirsche: I suppose what they actually thought was that they could push a CFD on the Mayor, and they knew eclipse was gone for the rest of the phase, so as soon as Kirsche claimed they probably expected people to go to that lynch. It was also a wagon that was not started by Mafia, but by me, so I think they were possibly setting up a mislynch on me on top of othe reasons. Also letting the V/W wagon go for another day really helped keep the other scum out of the limelight and Kirsche's role wasn't known at the time they made the decision. All in all seems like my reasons are weak and I could see a world where I go back to reading Kirsche town. That EoD was the least townie thing I saw him do.

@Snike I was actually thinking that maybe they didn't okay Omega bussing them and the anger WAS genuine, from a scum/scum POV But yeah I read too much into this stuff I think Refa is right and Omega as ITP makes more sense in the long run, if he isn't town

See my PoE list. Add Omega if all of them flip and we're still here.

What about you? @Refa

I am leaning town on them from multiple aspects. Many of the things they resonate with my town POV. I think they got stuck in a Mack as scum world and it made sense to them... But tonally, I'd say they are null with definite hyper awareness of bad looks. But that isn't scummy in and of itself. I'd say they have a lot of genuine thinking, they are just wrong.

What if he doesn't care how it looks? I don't think most of the stuff he's done makes a lot of sense. He's been right, but he hasn't been helping town, is the way I'd put it. I'm too tired to actually argue this one though. Interesting thought on ITP. I'll pocket it for later.

For the record, I think LG is Mafia, and SK is just possible. Explain? (I don't get the switch argument)

One of the things that pings me is how Omega keeps mentioning how people keep making these "sick plays" if they are mafia. I think he could be trying to make such a sick play by bussing his entire team and trying to win as lone deep. It's a possibility.

I have this tinfoil that Omega is running a hardbus game Because his reads coming into thread are simply too good its mindboggling really

Do that. In particular, read Shinori's reactions. And don't forget to ISO Marth, the slot before Omega. Check out his claim etc.

this particular variant of the claim lowers the risk of all of these imo but i think that all of that applies in this case too. if hes town then all of that is true too. he was the biggest lynch and claimed to clear himself. what claim could he get away with?

i don't think a real walrein case is necessary to convince me of your position there, so walrein case at your own discretion im more interested in stirring the pot wrt consensus town i have doubts on

omega, you gave a decent enough walrein read