Makaze

IMO the only person who isn't affected as far as PoE is Snike. He could be Mafia. I'm not getting that tonally, like at all.

I think this makes sense from both sides. Kirsche isn't out of the PoE, but there are more reasons to be skeptical. In particular, if I am right about Sully, it fully clears Kirsche. There's no world where Sully and Kirsche can be w/w. IMO Sully never, ever tries to use a faux!tracking result to case a scum mate and then later also pushes a Kirsche lynch instead of joining the rest on eclipse when that wagon formed.

Feel free to explain @Kaoz I don't like having these bad pings about what were previously town clears

Is Sully mafia? Why or why not

Sorry that was uncalled for. No need for insults. What I meant: You can see where I'm going with this. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF MY SULLY CASE? HAVE A STRONG READ. "I think I get it" but then just going right back to your previous PoE is terrible

Are you really this stupid or You're still stuck in that world? What about Sully?

I just want to say that if Arcanite flips town, it is does not look good for a Bibbons/Kaoz and Sully world. The way Kaoz framed that post is pinging me as prepping for an Arcanite town lynch and trying to argue that my case is bad because it rides on it. That's why I'm specifically mentioning it. I don't understand why Kaoz would ask me the question he did here. Kaoz, what was your thought process when asking me? What were the possible answers and what would they mean? On that association and why it could go either way: I have been wanting to clear Kaoz for a long time for being cased by multiple scum team members, but in the back of my mind, I don't see a logical reason for Sully to do the thing he did to Bibbons as town. He pointed the FOS at him and told him that he would vote him after he replied. He made it clear that he would do so regardless of what his response was. Then he backed off of Bibbons. When we got all those subs he made a huge show of having to retract all of his reads and said that all of the subs looked good to avoid giving specifics. Then he attacked Mack instead of going back on what made him suspicious of Bibbons/Kaoz. This is not a natural progression. It's bugging me. I'm not if it makes Kaoz mafia, but I am definitely not a clearing of him as I was. I think the scum team collectively was "scumreading" Bibbons and then dropped it after he got subbed, without ever looking back. That's notable to me.

Oops I meant town with the second one You get what I meant

QUICK BEFORE WE GO what will you do in the case Arc flips Mafia? What about scum?

@athena_57 @Fable @Vi-astra @Walrein What do you make of Sully? Read my case and his response please. The posts:

MFW Omega literally forgets he is a self-watcher

Mkay. I agree. Also no follow up is definitively bad. Yes. However, I can also see a possible .world where is trying to look good when Arcanite gets lynched either way. At anyone: For what it's worth, on the off chance Arcanite is not scum, I am definitely not going back on Sully being Mafia. So in case I die tonight, do not even think about using that to clear him. I think the case on his behavior is solid even in a vacuum without his Weapons/Arcanite progression.

I suspected a cop, yes. What made you think so?

Snike is probably right. We need Sully's claim.

@Mackc2 @Alette Read this post please. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this ISO.

Or, if Sully/Arcanite are mafia. Not if Arcanite is Mafia alone. I seriously doubt that world though.

To avoid an LG wagon. He's unlikely if Arcanite is Mafia.

##Vote Arcanite

This is the only thing that I think doesn't make sense, so I'm interested to hear it (his claim, I mean).

Scummy isn't strong enough IMO. It reads very opportunistically. He never made a non-consensus read other than to defend a known scum buddy. It's incredibly bad.

Blue was actually observations about consensus and not only observing consensus, but actively going along with it. It's like he was saying "Well, everyone is telling me to do this, so I guess I better do it". Repeatedly. Throughout the game. It reads very scummy to me. He also used "we" when he was sheeping the town's move.

Oops. I meant to say: There could be some world where they are trying to kill as much town power as possible. They gave you the redirect but I don't think that makes sense. The way you used it kind of played right into their hands. I don't think they factored in Mack's martyr target, and even if they did, I doubt they thought that he could Martyr the same person twice in a row, so at worst they could shoot Kaoz and Strongman Mack in one night, or the other way around, without interference.

@Snike

By a handful of suspects I mean: Omega, LG and Alette Omega looks the best by far

I mean I never thought Kaoz was mafia. So. You were almost entirely correct. I very strongly believe that Weapons/Arcanite and Sully are at least two of the remaining Mafia. He defended every single confirmed scum except for JB. The way Sully voted for JB out of nowhere coming into the D3 and the way he reacted to the dayvig looks very bad. I think that this clears Kill and pretty much solves the game. Snike and Mack are taken out of the PoE and we only have a handful of ITP suspects left.