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9 minutes ago, Refa said:
I don't care if you're not changing your opinions, but I'm not getting the sense that you're reevaluating them to see if they still hold true. Admittedly I haven't bothered to reread you
XFD
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6 minutes ago, Refa said:
Why wouldn't you push other people though? There's more than one scum in the game.
Nothing to push. Only one player gets lynched each day anyway. Following flips it becomes easier to find people through connections but one strong read is good enough for D1.
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Really my best defense is that the Ken slot is scummy as I've said here and the reason I've been voting that all day is because I want it lynched. Calling me scummy for not having strong pushes on other players is a little baffling because they're not the player I want lynched today...
Gaius voting me because I'm "lazy compared to the usual Prims" is laughable when I played even more apathetically than this and got him mislynched D1 2-3 games ago. I would think he would remember that. Regardless of meta arguments I hate his Shinori defense because Shinori is obviously not getting lynched today and it and the Quote blurb look like filler content. Actually I don't know why he didn't just post scum reads on me and Sully to begin with instead of throwing in a bunch of secondary town reads that aren't topical to game state? Potentially padding, maybe.
I never scumread Marth except very early on over a joke which was my bad, so idk what Sully is getting at with that.
kirsche can die after Gaius as far as I'm concerned.
@Baldrickget back here why would you leave your vote on shinori. I don't even disagree with your case it's just obviously not happening today.
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3 minutes ago, Refa said:
-Your Ken M. read is based on him not delivering content even though his last post was RVS. That doesn't make it a bad read but it's weird to me that it's your strongest scum read.
-Your other reads are fairly weak, which again isn't scummy in and of itself, but it bothers me that you've dropped like all of them only to settle on Ken M. A specific example is that when I asked you why you felt better about BBM/Marth, you said their interactions with each other which is just ???. Doesn't feel like a lot of thought went there.
-Your play seems fairly static in that you're just posting reads/cases but your interactions are just limited to you talking to people you've cased before dropping the cases. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I'm not really seeing your reads getting updated, just a "this guy is scummy" or "this guy is not scummy" if that makes any sense.
Instead of replying to these I could just point out that you cop out of 2/3 of your own reasons for thinking I'm scum in your own post anyway. "this isn't bad but it's weird" "this isn't scummy in and of itself" lol? Not changing my opinions all the time isn't scummy either but it's straight up untrue I haven't had a thought process this game since my reads on BBM were updated (see my back and forth with him) and so was my read on Mack when I re-read him and found him scummy. Obviously I'm not going to be pushing people who aren't Ken when I think Ken is the scummiest target. And yeah I didn't reply about BBM/Marth because I was lazy and that was a gut read anyway.
6 minutes ago, BBM said:ok come on lol you've led turbolynches many times. I'm not saying you should claim right away but you don't get to call turbolynches inherently atrocious play without looking at any of the individual votes
To be fair, (almost) all of those times were bad plays on my part.
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2 hours ago, kirsche said:
Comp spent all day updating and I'm about to go to my shift so welp, rereading over N1 I guess.
Everything about Sully reads as ok but slightly wrong which is expected from a newb. For example, I can understand how Sully can interpret BBM's posts as all corrections/observations by his frequent posting style. The posting style and content feels earnest and again I can't see first time scum making a post like his confirmation one. bad lynch.
Ken masters is also a bad lynch, dunno why everyone keeps talking about associative reads and getting info from his flip, he hasn't talked to anyone so what's the point.
You barely mentioned Shinori in your Sully vote post with the only statement I can find in it relating to his alignment to be you find him "relatively null" which is slightly concerning since it seems like he's currently one of your biggest scumreads yet you "can't put a finger" on why exactly. Please read the stuff in quotation marks with the most snark possible as that is my intent.
Iunno if you're a good lynch though because you defended yourself mostly well and I don't know if scum!you would be this calm and detailed in your response. I kinda wish you got pressured in that smogon game more so I would know. At this point I'll tentatively ##Unvote since you bring more to the table than the other options and i think your alignment will become clearer in time. Still think you're scum though.
@Refa: It's moreso the fact that you seem to be approaching every Mack post as something that is likely coming from scum and justifying it afterwards iunno. Keep up the pressure though it isn't bad that it's happening I guess. What do you think of Prims?
Shinori's Bart case is kinda meh, he's not really making clear the scum intent imo in Bart's posts with the main staying point is Bart's sudden suspicions on some people. Like is Bart's Sully case scummy and why? Is Sully being set up as a mislynch and how and by whom? Just Bart? I'm open to the idea but I'm not as paranoid about the people on the wagon bar BBM. Wouldn't be mad about a lynch on this slot as aside from this Bart case he hasn't done much. Still want to know his actual thoughts on me.
I'm going to ##Vote: Prims though because he's doubled down on his Ken Masters park to the point of ridiculousness. My impression from Rein's game is that Prims is the kind of player that likes to bounce off of others to get opinions of people and is very eager to do so about basically everyone and he had a lack of confidence in a couple of his reads IIRC. Now I know that was OC but the first day was played like NOC basically with added rolespec on Prims' part yet that didn't seem to affect my conversations too much with him imo. Here he is a lot more distant and a lot more resigned to this vote. As scum he wouldn't really feel the need to swap because noone else has bothered to care and imo that is what is happening. He is just letting the lynch play out for the most part and unlike some people who're pretty forgettable (Bart, Baldrick) (partly also my faulty tbh got to be picky about who to read) I would expect much much better from him. He's a good lynch because he has associations and is much less likely to flip town (Sully, Ken) and give more associative reads than some (Ken).
HEY I'M "DOUBLING DOWN" BECAUSE I THINK THAT SLOT IS SCUM. STOP DEFENDING A SCUMMY SLOT FOR BAD / NON-EXISTENT REASONS. ARE YOU SCUM TOO?
This is entire post is bad bad bad because 1) kirsche has not actually explained why the cases on Ken Masters don't hold water (he gave a defense earlier on but that was before I restated my case and now he just votes me and ignores it), instead he says it's a bad lynch because he hasn't talked to anybody but guess what there's a replacement talking RIGHT NOW and also you don't lynch for "associative reads" you lynch people for being scummy. 2) it's a meta case based on one game, an OC game (this game is not OC) and not the several NOC games I've played in as town, the two most recent of which where I actually put in less effort than I am in this game 3) it completely ignores that I could be voting Ken all day as town because... you know, I think he's scummy and I want to get scum lynched. You might notice the point in the day where I thought the player most likely to be lynched was BBM and switched my vote there until I changed my mind.
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I haven't read anything but the votals but no I'm not getting turbo lynched in the last 6 hours of Day 1 you nitwits, that's straight up atrocious play. Don't expect a claim from me either.
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I would rather just lynch the slot and not worry about it. I don't feel strongly about any other reads atm.
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Ken was in Manix's EM filler game (and he was much more pro-active than this, for all that means considering that game was a year ago). I believe he was in other games as well, but not ones I've read.
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Just so we're clear: I actually do think Ken is the most likely to flip scum at this juncture. In effect, he was using playstyle as an excuse to not contribute to the thread. His biggest concerns when posting were generally people voting him since that's what got him to reply to thread the most. But he doesn't engage the people voting him beyond telling them "I don't care about ED1 lol". In his response to Marth here, he says serious suspicion won't happen until later today, but what's he doing to reach that point? Is he just waiting for everybody to provide content for him? I'm not expecting super strong reads from him that early on, but a townie playing to the beat of their own drum should be doing more to actually get reads out of people if they're not happy with the current thread content. What he was doing was reactive and passive play, which is scummy.
The disappearing act is just argh at this point. It says he was last online 3 minutes ago so I don't know what's up with that.
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I don't want to lynch Sully today.
@Ken Masters are you still playing? you do kind of have 3 votes on you.
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3 hours ago, Refa said:
Why that?
Marth's posts gave me a better insight into his thought process at the time and he seems alright now. Actually I don't really know what I think about BBM but whatever.
1 hour ago, kirsche said:Prims do you think Ken couldn't be the kind of town that hates D1 and what makes his play so different from other people like that, e.g. Elieson. I've definitely seen this kind of play before and I'm not convinced its scum or a good lynch when there's a lot more in terms of interactions. Why would scum behave the way he is playing?
When Elie is annoyed with ED1 he puts in work to get everybody talking. Ken was leaving that up to everybody else and not getting engaged in the game even when people were starting to take it seriously.
The amount of empty unvotes this late in the day (mich, mack, shinori) is a pain.
@BBMCan you post a lynch priority?
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30 minutes ago, Shinori said:
One thing though prims, I never said it was crap logic and literally said I CAN SEE THE LOGIC IN WHAT MACK WAS SAYING.
Fair enough. My reading comprehension has been garbage this game.
Not really feeling Shinori lynch today overall. Ken and Mack are the best targets imo.
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lmao
We should get two more votes on Ken just in case.
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Uhhh that would be a No Lynch if real so I hope that's fake if you're town. (It's fucked up because I actually have seen roles like that before.)
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Shinori responding aggressively to what he considers craplogic on him except when it's Mack pushing it is kind of strange. I remember Shinori unvoted because he said he had to figure out which of the Baldrick/Bart/Mich to see who he's voting, which seems like an arbitrary selection pool to me. If just going by who suspects him, a) why b) why isn't Mack being considered? Shinori, do you think Mack isn't worth lynching?
Overall I want Shinori to post explicit reads instead of just targeted frustration at people which could be interpreted in multiple ways.
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Honestly, I wish this D1 was only 48 hours.
Refa actually has me looking into a Mack lynch again. When Mack drops the Michelaar case to vote Shinori it comes off like Refa and Sully had to actively talk him out of the Michelaar vote, which is weird when the case for Shinori had existed before. Possibly switching his vote in response to pressure? Combined with his earlier defeatism (agreeing votes on him are good) I'd be fine dropping this slot today if not Ken.
Unsure on Via atm, like kirsche his content hasn't left much of an impression but also like kirsche being busy probably factors in there. Frustratingly the most prominent people this game are the ones I don't really want to lynch on D1.
Clearly we should have Rapier sub in for Ken.
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Hey so yeah I pretty much am voteparking at this point but how the hell has Ken still not come back with content? I think "being overreactive early on then pulling a vanishing act" is a pretty good justification as far as D1 lynches go.
Could easily see kirsche being scum but waiting for him to have the time to post more content before coming to a conclusion re:that. Bartozio feels like he doesn't have much presence even though he's been posting a lot? Don't know what's up with that.
Feeling better about both BBM and Marth after their recent content and interactions with each other.
Neutral on Shinori. His initial post with the sheep vote bugged me but since then he's basically OK if not rather angery.
@SB. New votals would be nice since there have been a lot unvotes recently. Also, you forgot to count Shinori's unvote here.
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4 minutes ago, BBM said:
also, what do you mean by bad faith?
Specifically I thought scum!BBM sees a post by town!Marth and thinks "oh, he says this but he's actually just gut reading Bartozio as scum because Bartozio was the third serious vote on the wagon" or something along those lines, then posts a read while still having that PoV of town!Marth.
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When I say scum won't construct cases like that I mean I don't think scum!Marth is going to become suspicious of Bartozio because of Reason A then justify his vote with Reason B. He might vote over Reason B then later use Reason A to retroactively justify his case, but you attacking him on the basis he was actually voting for Reason A and not Reason B in the first place seemed bizarre to me.
That said I looked at Marth's post again and I can see how you would get that he was voting based on wagon position (Reason A) even though at the time I had interpreted it as just voting Bartozio for sheeping onto a wagon in general (Reason B). Still a little concerned about your slot but this doesn't seem to be the slam dunk I thought it was, so.
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##Vote: BBM
The Marth case looks like it's in bad faith with this in mind. Pretty sure when I first read that post I thought BBM was calling Marth lazy town which is why I forgot about it. -
Oh I missed the post BBM just mentioned. I actually don't like the way the case is worded there anyway because "It seems more like he's just voting due to Bart's position on the wagon more than anything" <- Marth doesn't say this so you're putting words into his mouth... except this implies Marth is actually lazy town because there's no reason for scum!Marth to vote Bartozio over that then give a different reason for it. Like, the way scum construct cases makes it extremely unlikely for them to have that thought process.
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What bugs me about BBM is that he acts like he's always suspected Marth (indeed, he said Marth was one of his suspicions earlier) but he's never talked about it or pressured Marth up until the vote switch, which makes me wonder if he was leaving Marth as a backburner option for when he couldn't keep the Mack vote anymore. BBM, what were your initial reasons for suspecting Marth?
kirsche's vote seems to be because of a post that cut him which makes me wonder who he would have voted otherwise (if anybody) because his post doesn't telegraph any other suspicions. kirsche, is BBM your only scum read? What is your actual read on Marth? Your paragraph about him is confusingly lacking in a consistent conclusion (you take issues of him but this is after saying you like his Bart vote but it's not clear if you suspect Bart either).
I think Mack has handled pressure reasonably enough but "there are good cases on me" bugs me from a tone perspective because scum is IMO more likely to think that as they know when cases are "right". Whereas a townie knows that cases on them are wrong by default. Not something I'd lynch him over but weird enough for me to keep my eye on him even though his posts have gotten better.
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5 minutes ago, Refa said:
Prims, what are your thoughts (if any) on Marth outside of the question directed at me? I'm weirdly ambivalent on him, so it'd be nice to get a second opinion here.
The most irksome thing about his content so far is that he votes Bart for sheeping when without Bart's sheep he'd be doing the same thing but on the Mack wagon instead. What makes Bart's sheep particularly bad? The Bart vote seems lazy since he's not really asking for more out of Bart. Before you asked me this I was neutral on him but this bugs me now that I take another look at it.
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@via: for the record, had Mack made the same post but about any other player I would have asked him the same question. It was meant inquisitively, not defensively.
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My read on Ken isn't weak, though. I already made a post restating it. He was reactionary and obtuse and not scumhunting the way a townie should, this lasted into the serious portion of the game as well even if he dropped out early. All this is scummy play.
Weak reads get dropped as town because they were weak to begin with. If they don't evolve into anything then there's no reason to keep them.