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2 minutes ago, Etheus said:
Remember the glory days of months with like 8 weapon refines?
I miss that.
Those were also the months where Marth needed a refine.
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Chrom is this one player that really doesn't seem to benefit of anything in particular, but also doesn't lose.
This is probably the only character besides Marth himself that has been this consistent in CYL, I think he has the potential to win CYL5 (mostly because new games or remakes won't be affecting this time), now that only he's competition it's mostly Marth + several 3H Characters without a clear favorite going into CYL5.
In the other hand, Seliph and Sigurd depends quite a bit of how things develop prior to CYL.
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1 minute ago, eclipse said:
HEY. Back to the topic.
Which is now about what I'm going to pull.
Red - Merges are a yes, and I will not complain if Marth finally shows up.
Blue - I'd welcome any of them. Nagi and Ephraim will be new, while Tsubasa will fix my -Spd.
Green - Name three units I don't have.
Colorless - Eir is fodder, and I'm not exactly thrilled with Larum or Silque.Colorwise, it's green > blue > red >> colorless
I forgot who are the red heroes; the other options overall look appealing to me, specially Green.
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6 minutes ago, Icelerate said:
So extra additions like base conversations in RD have weight but entire rewrites aren't? Personally, I think if a plot point is handled better in the localization, we shouldn't invalidate it just because it is inconsistent with the source material.
I take it into account, but I don't considerate it the ultimate canon unless a future re-release in the original language does so (which was what happened with TMS now that I think about it).
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I usually give more validation to the original version of a game for story purposes (unless a re-release appears in the original language that is just the original but with extra stuff).
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42 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said:
Sorry to get a bit side tracked, but this is just inaccurate enough to really bother me. First off Larcei and Ulster would be useless against Julius unless you glitch them the Balmung, which is entirely unnecessary as Shannan can hit avoid rates high enough for Julius to be unable to hit (and thus not face insta-death) if you stack enough charisma, leadership, lover bonus, and speed ring (if you are staggeringly unlucky you might need the extra charisma of Laylea, or could use it to replace the speed ring or lover bonus). I will also point out that Julius's death quote when Seliph finishes him is a clear reference to the death quotes of Medeus, and even the ending poem of Gaiden, which implies Seliph killing Julius is the most canonical ending. That being said Julia still deserve to be a legendary hero (I mean people like Azura have been called Legendary Heros), they just need to add more Legendary Heroes from Jugdral.
Oh yeah, I wasn't considering Charisma stacking to be fair; because I don't remember how high the evasion stat actually went with everything setup, that is the only other way to avoid Julius insta-death besides being a Nihil Children.
40 minutes ago, Fire Emblem Fan said:I would move Lyn up one for the simple reason that her story is unskippable when you first play FE7. She gets a whole quarter of the game to herself where she is the main, central character (there's 43 chapters total, with all paralogues, xenologues, and epilogues combined; a quarter of 43 is 10.75, round up to 11, only one away from Lyn's exclusive 12 chapters).
Lyn is technically a Tier 2 Protagonist in a first playthrough (thought only in the International Version), and turns into a Tier 3 one in the next ones (or since the beginning if you're playing OG!FE7)... I guess I should include another awkward corner for her? XD
Now I'm trying to think where I would fit Azura in all of this, because I forgot to include her hahahah xD
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9 minutes ago, Icelerate said:
I would move Ephraim to the same tier as RD!Ike because other characters in tier 2 also don't appear since the beginning.
I put Ephraim in Tier 2.1 precisely because of that, he's for the most part in the same situation as RD!Ike... if you play his route; if you go for Eirika's Route, Ephraim essentially turns into a Lyn (well... isn't that bad, he isn't as unimportant as Lyn, but you're completely capable of don't using him, outside of the Final Chapter)
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37 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:
Yeah, I'm totally cool with the above tier list. That's pretty much where my thoughts line up, although I personally wouldn't differentiate between tiers 1 and 2. I guess by the terms of that list, I'd say that I wouldn't want tier 3 and 4 characters to get a legendary before all the tier 1 and 2 characters get theirs.
Yeah, the difference between Tier 1 and Tier 2, it's pretty small, it's mostly that with Tier 1 character it's pretty much indisputable they're the main characters not matter how you want to twist the narrative, while with Tier 2, it's possible to play at relatively large portions of the game without them being in the spotlight; this is quite easy to see with characters like Micaiah and RD!Ike (because of the game's main gimmick); or the non-Byleth 3H Main Characters (again, because of the game's main gimmick).
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It's time for the Main Character Gameplay/Story Importance Tier List!
Tier 1 (Pretty much always important to the plot, you literally can't remove yourself of them, unless you do skirmish or online battle in some cases).
Marth, Alm, Sigurd/Seliph, Leif, Roy, PoR!Ike, Chrom, Corrin, Byleth.
Tier 1.5 (The awkward Eirika corner, there is one choice that can potentially turn Eirika into essentially an honorary Tier 1 character, but the other choices ends up lowering her in the categories)
Eirika
Tier 2 (You don't always play with them, but when you have access you need to use them, they're almost always important)
Celica, Eliwood/Hector, Micaiah, RD!Ike, the 3H Class Leaders
Tier 2.1 (The awkward Ephraim corner, pretty much the same deal as Eirika, but he doesn't have the advantage of appearing since the very beginning)
Ephraim
Tier 3 (Main character for technicalities, but aren't treated the same way as the ones above, for several reasons).
Lyn, PoR!Elincia, Lucina
Tier 4 (Misc.; includes pseudo lords, ej. Tibarn; some of the characters that are considered Caedas; and very special cases like Julia)
Other characters
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13 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:
I don't disagree with you, but I don't think it makes her a lord or justifies her getting a legendary alt before Seliph or Sigurd. Or even before Leif, which she technically did. The cynic in me says that the only reason she got one before the three guys is because she's a girl, with the not-red thing being a secondary reason.
Like ... this might not be the most appropriate place for this discussion and if it's not I'll probably drop this unless someone wants to make a thread specifically for this, but I think IS has an issue with female leads. We have no female lords who carry the game on their own. Even Edelgard gets Dimitri and Claude as two alternative paths to her own, and the "real" main character is avatar Byleth, who has no canon gender. Celica, Lyn, Eirika, and Micaiah all share the spotlight with at least one male lord, and in the cases for at least three of those their male companion is considered the "main" lord of that game.
How this translates in Heroes is that they run out of actual female lords a lot faster, but they apparently want to keep things closer to 50-50 despite there not being an even split in female to male lords, so they're really stretching the definition of "lord" to encompass female characters who really shouldn't be lords. Caeda's not a lord. As much as I'd love for her to be a lord, Lilina isn't one either. Elincia's super plot relevant in PoR, but I wouldn't count her a lord. She's more of a Nyna or Guinevere (admittedly, one that can fight), and no one thinks the other two lords. Deirdre, Julia, and Ninian are likewise plot-important but I wouldn't count them as lords. And including Ninian but not Nils as a "lord" is very questionable too. Basically, I think IS fucked themselves by making too many male lords in comparison to female lords in the actual games, and now Heroes is tripping over themselves by giving certain female characters false importance by saying they're lords. I wish they'd stop and just make more actual female lords in future games while letting actual male lords get the lord treatment.
Well, it makes sense to have this kind of problem ,the franchise it's old, the franchise was molded originally by 80s and 90s mentalities, where female characters were less commonly main characters (the exception was usuaully of course if the girl was a love interest of other main character or in some case if the casts was mostly women, which wasn't also a given considering harem are a thing)., and prior to Eirika, the franchise only really had one true female main character (Celica), which funny enough, fits the previous criteria xD
Now we live in other times...A just happen that females are so much popular compared with males (outside of some exceptions).
Characters like Shiida/Caeda, Tiki and Lilina really were helped by this change of approach; they were always popular, but now IS needs to do stuff with them.
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9 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:
I know, and it still technically counts as "she can die permanently". Apparently, you can also beat Julius without defeating Manfroy and leaving Julia in her brainwashed state.
Even if the game really wants Julia to be the one to beat Julius, it doesn't change the fact that she's technically not mandatory to beating him. The game doesn't railroad you into force-recruiting her regardless of your actions or being unable to finish the game, making it so the others cannot defeat Julius for good.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying she is needed to complete the story, but the game is really suggesting she is needed, I think Julia most important contribution is to avoid getting soft locked against Julius (dealing with Julius without Julia isn't impossible, but it's an incredible tedious process, and below 50% HP only Seliph, Larcei and Ulster can fight him without insta-dying).
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1 hour ago, Sunwoo said:
Not gonna lie, I keep forgetting legendary Julia exists.
Yeah, she's another character that I feel shouldn't have gotten a legendary yet. Sure, she's the scion of Naga, the only one who can use the Naga tome, and the only one who can nullify Loptous's abilities. But you don't actually need her to beat Julius and she can even die permanently later on in the game.
Actually, Julia only can really die in the Final Chapter, in any other context she ends up being captured, and eventually saved (until Chapter 10, where the whole deal wth Julia and Manfroy starts properly... and you of course find her again in the Final Chapter)... this is because of two technical reasons. The game wants Julia to be alive until the very end for both narrative and gameplay functions.
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6 hours ago, Etheus said:
Honestly, at this point, Warriors 1 is not relevant enough to have a banner. If they make a Warriors 2, hopefully they're smart enough to get the weapon diversity of their inevitable OCs right this time. Then they can pick and choose those OCs plus Lianna and Darios.
(And Rowan is a million times worse than Corrin. Corrin is boring. Rowan is annoying.)
I imagine that if Rowan ended up in some way in FEH, it would be as a TT, just like Itsuki xDU
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4 minutes ago, Xenomata said:
I'd have expected Byleth to get a Legendary Alt before the house leaders. They have just as much merit, if not slightly more, than the other three. Hell, I'd have expected Rhea before Byleth.
That is why I only mentioned the Class Leaders, putting Byleth and Rhea into the mix would make things more messy (specially when you could justify these two as Mythic Units too).
QuoteI think we can all agree that if one of the Three Class Leaders was going to get a Legandary Alt first, that would be Edelgard, no doubt, regardless of any bias.
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7 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
Glad someone agrees! I also would like to see regular Inigo in the game. I wish he had his original VA though. I like Liam O'Brien as his VA way more than the current one. Mick Wingert isn't it?
Well, I'll just be happy whenever I do get my legendary Elincia and legendary Claude. I'm pretty sure they'll come at some point. I'll probably try for legendary Dimitri when he comes too. Just depends on what else is going on in the game at that time.
1 minute ago, Xenomata said:Yep. Even when I'm reading Laslow dialogue in Heroes, I still envision his original VAs voice.
Also forgot to mention, even if Edelgarde is the driving force of Three Houses... her house isn't. Okay putting in Hubert makes some sense, but A. why did both BE reps have to be 5* locked when the only BL rep was the demote, and B. why did we have to get Ferdinand and Bernadetta in the same banner? Clearly one of them was the moneymaker of Black Eagles, and it certainly isn't the person who demoted.
While I can't say much about BE in general, I think we can all agree that if one of the Three Class Leaders was going to get a Legandary Alt first, that would be Edelgard, no doubt, regardless of any bias.
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It's time to do your best Nino 😄
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4 hours ago, GrandeRampel said:
But Camilla remains the exception.
Just a minor correction, Elise actually was in the Top 10 (the second place in fact), and Sakura wasn't that far of being in the Top 13 (to get the next most voted Fates Royal Sibling you need to go all the way to Top 21).
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23 hours ago, vanguard333 said:
I haven't played AM, but pretty much every bit of talk between Dimitri and Edelgard is stupid. Have you seen Edelgard's unique boss conversation with Dimitri in Crimson Flower? Why couldn't the writers provide even 1 conversation between them that doesn't make at least one of them seem like an idiot?
The funny thing is that in the Japanese version Dimitri actually ends up being the dumber one in that particular confrontation.
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13 minutes ago, Slumber said:
I know, I just thought it was odd to directly compare it to Fates, since you were saying that it seemed like FETH was designed to deliberately be an answer to Fates.
I just see it as FETH being designed as another entry in the series, and wasn't directed to take aim at Fates at all. The only FE we know had a direct impact on the design philosophy of FETH was Genealogy.
EDIT: Maybe I'm just tired and didn't realize I was repeating some of the stuff you already said in my first post.
I think is the vibe the games gives me (Their priorities basically)... And I'm not saying Three Houses was created as an anti-Fates, but it can feel like one, in part becuase of what do you said to be fair xD.
I think it's important to consider the perspective of someone that arrived with Awakening or Fates... they felt this quite differently.
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5 minutes ago, Slumber said:
I think you're looking at it the wrong way.
When you look at the design philosophies over every other FE, Fates is the one that looks/feels different. Three Houses doesn't seem as different when compared to Radiant Dawn.
Oh, I'm not saying Three Houses is more or less special, is about the contrast betweent the two most recent mainline games (outside of remakes/Heroes)... Three Houses is definitely more similar to Radiant Dawn, but damn the contrast with Fates it's so outrageous at times xD.
QuoteSometimes I feel like Three Houses it was designed to be an anti-Fates in several aspects... the game still has its sexy stuff, but compared with Fates it feels so... different.
I was specfiically comparing Three Houses and Fates, everyone had Fates as an expectation as far as I remember.
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43 minutes ago, starburst said:
I would argue that traditional Sword Masters are in a worse situation. You can use them to deliver the last blow (which is a valid niche, I guess, given their high accuracy), but the combination of average Strength and sword's low-might force them to rely on their Speed to deal enough damage and on their Avoid to survive the encounter.
Now, I am fine with chances and take mine in many situations, but for a Sword Master to shine the game must have enemies with particularly low accuracy or outright crappy statistics. Otherwise, it may be useless on both Player Phase (not enough power) and Enemy Phase (not enough endurance.)You are wasting your time, mate. It is your knowledge from experience against his ideas and beliefs; he has nothing to back up what he repeats. Your chances of getting something positive from this argument are very low.
I remember reading Etrurian emperor's original message; it made me think about the nature of the missteps in Fates. He has an interesting point, does he not? There are numerous odd elements in Fates which seem deliberate, as if they had had the option the make thinks differently and still chose to favour pandering.
But I agree with you in that Birthright and Conquest have an evident identity, a uniqueness palpable through map design, music, classes, weapons, items, names, aesthetic... The "routes" in Four Houses are carbon copies.
Three House and a Dungeon bores me, but it was a success, both critical and commercial. And it is undeniable that it delivered what a great number of the players were looking for. The sad part about it is that, in hindsight, it does not even seem difficult to achieve.I think Swordmaster to shine need to be overpower, and the enemies pretty fast, with iffy hitrates and high HP (but with reasonable defense instead of outright busted), because otherwise the Paladin are just going to be better...
That was the perfect storm that allowed Rutger to be one of the best units in FE6; I think the only other game where swordmasters are worth talking about are indoor maps in FE5 (highest movement in indoor maps), and FE10.
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And I agree too with Emperor; Fates suffers of weird priorities in non-gameplay aspects... How the story is handled, how the characters are presented, how the world feels... Fates is amusing, that was my first reaction after finally getting to know the story of the games, and I still feel that way... Fates reminds of some Isekai novel.... but I'm not sure which one hahahaha.
Sometimes I feel like Three Houses it was designed to be an anti-Fates in several aspects... the game still has its sexy stuff, but compared with Fates it feels so... different.
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Heh... I don't have complete perspective of everyone, but I still give it a try.
Black Eagles
SpoilerEdelgard: I was expecting to like her, no doubt; what I didn't expect was to actually love her, that is a rare accomplishment, even for Fire Emblem characters, her character is amazing, I love her writing, and she is one of the coolest and more refreshing ideas for a character in Fire Emblem; the only other main character to ever done something like this before was... well, you can imagine. My second favorite lord, and probably a member of my Top 10 characters.
Hubert: Gives some very strange vibes early on, but I ended up liking him in the end, not much else to say; I find funny how there is this girl in Chapter 1 that finds Hubie so handsome xD.
Ferdinand Von Aegir: Before release I was seriously confusing him and Sylvain all the time, similar character designs and the only remarkable aspect of them was so generic FE stuff that it became kind of indistinguible. After release I noticed Ferdinand was actually a MAN, a deserved all my respect, he's kind of a meme, but a true man nevertheless.
Linhardt: My opinion of sleepy boy it's pretty much the same as it originally was, though I now noticed how amusing
and creepyhe can be at times.Caspar: My opinion of punchy boy it's for the most part the same as it originally was, though I want to remark the shonen mentality of Caspar actually ended up doing more for him than just getting him into trouble, so that was nice.
Dorothea: She always looked like a gem,
she is truly a goddess' gift don't you think?, I was mostly stunned by her physique, and her funny hat. So reading about her was mostly a lot of cute and awesome surprises, she is cool big sis, but even she has issues... But regardless, I really like her.Bernadetta: My first impression: She is cute and awkward, she probably will have tons of amusing supports, some more annoying than others xD. I was for the most part neutral about her, though leading to positive because her design was so cute xD. I ended up liking her, but I'm not even completely sure why.
Petra: I found her quite stunning to, not as pretty as Dorothea, but quite to, overall my opinion didn't change that much, but I got to see how she is a good-hearted as she is good-looking hahaha.
Blue Lions
SpoilerDimitri: My opinions of Dimitri are weird as heck... I'm only completely sure I kinda dislike him in the pre-release cycle because his design looked dumb, and greasy, and unappealing, and kind of ugly; I mean, he's pretty, but his hair didn't really sell his handsomeness. I started to get more fond of him after release and knowing about all his stuff... but damn is hard for me to actually like this guy because I have a very particular image in my mind every time I try to think about Dimitri.
Dedue: Loyal Black Friend that looks like he would die, a classic; I was completely neutral to the guy, being darker making him stand out, but my opinion of him didn't really change, I just got context xD.
Ashe: Good boys are always my best friend's favorite, so I was eventually going to have a soft spot for him. I don't remember changing my opinion about him really, because I didn't really have an opinion about him pre-release xD.
Felix: I was expecting an edgy edgelord, I actually like edgy designs, so I was interested on him; after release, and learning how his edge isn't actually edgelord, and more like tsundere, I understand better why he had this demeaner; I'm not sure if it's appropiate for him, but hell, I like how this guy doesn't buy the BS of others; this guy has balls and it's probably the most reliable friend you can ever have that isn't a brainless bot.
Sylvain: I originally confused him with Ferdinand, when I got to learn more about him I learned his backstory was related to the Crest System, and that was kind of cool and made me feel bad for the guy... I also knew about the other side of the story, but never thought much about it... Until like a month later, after I realized how mess up it's Sylvain way of thinking and treating women made me dismiss him as an self-centred asshole that enjoys the suffering of others because of his self-pity, specially the suffering of women that aren't named Ingrid.
Mercedes: She looks like a big sis, but more in the cute motherly-side compared with Dorothea's cool big sis style; so I knew I was going to have a very neutral opinion about her :P. I guess that reminds true... though I realized something about her that made her quite interested... well, two things to be more precise... So I guess I kind of like her now.
Annette: CUTE, I knew this bubbly girly girl was going to be something I was going to pay some attention, and after knowing about her I think I can say she is my favorite of the Lions.
Ingrid: She looked.... unremarkable, she was pretty, sure, but, you know, knightly knights was the only thing I remember about her prior to the release, oh, and she liking food xD... So, anything extra was a cool addition, her support with Ashe was the first I read and I since that moment I was sure I actually liked Ingrid xD.
Golden Deer
SpoilerClaude: Oh Claude... you're such a weird case of a character playing with expectation... because my imagination power was going low, I didn't really have any particular expectation about Claude, but it's kind of funny how the game how the game doesn't do much with anything of him... but anyway, he still has his backstory and motivations. Also despite his rough beginnings, he ends up being a bro... Kyoudai. So yeah... I think my opinion improved overall?
Lorenz: This guy was so ugly that he became a meme... It made me think in one of Jojolion's character, I don't remember his name right now. I didn't exactly like him but I found him amusing xD. Lorenz didn't changed that much in my head, I just realized that unlike Sylvain he's an asshole, but something that believes a bit too much in the crap he was teached as a child, which is amusing but also a bit sad xD.
Raphael: My opinion of his character didn't really changed, but learning about his positive posture in life is endearing.
Ignatz: For the most part applies the same as with Ashe.
Hilda: She was Serra in my mind, whe I learned she would use Axe I found it HILARIOUS, it was like the case with Lissa using Axes... But anyway, I like her more overall, I can symphatize with her perspective in life, and I like overall his interactions, the cute and the fun ones :p
Lysithea: This gurl was such a mystery when it was first known about, I remember this guy ThaniBomb throwing hints about this mysterious white-haired girl that we saw in gameplay, but never actually got to properly understand the deal Thani was talking about until release... She was special, so I quite quickly took attention of her, and ended up really liking her... Weird perspective I believe xD.
Leonie: Her design made me think in that chick from Persona 4... I really wanted to have a female that was good at punching stuff hahaha... Oh well, I don't remember more about how I felt about Leonie prior to release, so I don't know it my opinion improved xDU.
Marianne: I think my opinion didn't really change that much. But knowing her future self made me feel warmer.
I'll do the rest later.
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This map is one of the easier than isn't from vanilla FEH, I actually manage to win mostly through the usage of Nagi and many many reposition users xDD
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6 minutes ago, Lau said:
I must be crazy for actually liking Berkut, hahah.
Bit late, but I did vote for Berkut. I love his design, and his voice acting (bless Ian Sinclair<3), and that memory sequence where he and Rinea first met was adorable. He is a complete ass, but considering he was driven mad for power, to the extent where he used Nuibaba's mirror...eh, it ain't the worse twist I've seen.
Nah, you aren't crazy; I'm just making a bit of fun of how the game treats him; which can be funny compared with pretty much every other villain in the game xD
April's Legendary Hero: Edelgard
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Well, I got an Eir, a Celica and a Nagi.
I guess I'll wait to see what happens with the Golden Week Banners to see what to do (isn't like I have a lot of Orbs anyway).