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Seriously? This debate is still going on? You do realize you'll never get to an agreement, right? And as none of the sides seem to at least accept the other's arguments/points of view, while still retaining their own point, this is pretty much headed nowhere but anger and frustration about the other person(s). Haven't played FE 13 yet, but I think I will prefer it to 11/12, especially since I didn't like them at all (for quite a couple of reasons). To make it clear, the 11/12 system does have some advantages that 13 doesn't have: You can reclass whenever you want, and to whatever you want (with the limitations of the sets male A and male B before unlocking it). This of course avoids problems like "Why can't Serge become this, and Richt not that?" The 13 system however takes the character itself into consideration. Why can Minerva in FE 11/12 become a cleric? It really doesn't fit her personality. In FE 13 she probably wouldn't have that option. From what I heard the "whenever" isn't that much of a deal: You can get an unlimited amount of change seals and it shouldn't be that hard to achieve level 10 again once you are past a certain point in the game. And before I talk about the "some characters are better than others anyway"-argument, let me please tell you, that I'm not a competitive player and never even touched a hard mode. So most of my opinion will probably not count a darn thing for hard mode. Personally I like using units that most people consider weak. In FE 10 Meg and Fiona are among my favourite units. I love seeing them go from weaklings to capable fighters. And this is also part of the beauty of FE 13 in my opinion. Thanks to being able to get more than just a max of 40 levels, anyone can become pretty much amazing in any class you want them to be/they have access to. Sure, it might take some grinding to make Tiamo a great Sorceress, but personally I don't mind. Other people might think that it makes the game pretty boring, but that's their opinion and they are entitled to it. There are no arguments I could use to convince them that it's not boring for them. The limited reclass options also give the chance to try out different combinations for your children characters. In my opinion it's not adding fake difficulty, but adding another strategic element. The level resetting part is also an important part of 13's system, because of the skills. Like other people already said, it just wouldn't work with the 11/12 system. To conclude: Both games have valid systems. Some players will prefer the 11/12 system, some will prefer the 13 system. IS will, in my opinion, keep leaning towards the 13 system in the future, because I don't think skills are going to disappear again and they seem to have put more effort into it. You may now continue to hit each other over the head with chairs, tables and bottles. Just don't hit the piano player in the corner.

I think it's supposed to be Krom x Olivia -> Azure (Royal Weapon) and then Azure x female MU-> Mark (Royal Weapon) That build kinda reminds me on this one I posted: Lucina, the time-travelling Assassin (Krom x Soiree) +Aether +Astra +Lethality +Vantage +Pass Aether from Krom Astra from Swordmaster Soiree (I just remembered that it might be quite hard to do before the chapter Lucina joins... so maybe Lucina will have to reclass more) Lord 10 -> Myrmidon 10 -> Assassin She came from the future to kill everything in her way. With Aether, Astra and Lethality, nothing should stand in her way for long. Vantage makes her strike first even during enemy phase, Pass to get her to the unit you want gone.

Sorry to interrupt, but as someone who's still kinda new here I have to ask: What is a 0% growth run?

Krom can only marry Soiree, Sumia, Mariabel, Olivia and female MU

I think this is the point where reclassing leads toStory vs. Gameplay problems. The whole conversation is kinda ridiculous if I already have Degel as a level 5 Paladin at the point the conversation happens. It would be less of a problem if she didn't inherit Cavalier from Soiree, but she does. (making her the only child to inherit 4 classes from the non-MU mother) Maybe they were planing on not giving her Cavalier, but then changed their mind? Soiree takes this whole "I'm your child from the future"-thing pretty well. From what we've seen all characters do. Imagine how you would react when somebody around your age popped up and said "Hey there! I'm your child from the future! Can I call you Mommy/Daddy?"

How exactly does making lists of each others strong and weak points to marriage? Seriously, Tiamo x Donny felt more like a job interview than a love story.

WOW. I know that Soiree can be headstrong, but this? Poor Viole. On the other hand, he can have A-C with Soiree while being married to another woman. Looks like Azure really isn't the only one that needs to be kept in check. Speaking of A-C while married... So Azure potentially goes out with Brady or Jerome to meet girls while being in a relationship? Maybe Azure learned his ways from his father Viole. We need the Viole/Azure (Father / Son) support.

Only Lucina, Mark (f), Degel and Cynthia can have Aether. Selena, Noire and Nn/n_n/Unn can't. Noire definitely knows how to keep Azure in check, as seen in her support with him. Cheating on her would end in an arrow to the knee chest or head. Or junk. I'm pretty sure Lucina, Degel and Selena also have no problems keeping him in check. Bubblehead Mark and timid Nn, I'm not so sure. I haven't really seen enough of Cynthia to say anything about her.

Brad-Man, the Dark Knight (okay, this is one is for giggles because of the name) Mariabel x dark haired MU (Let's call him Bruce) Dark Knight +Secluded Lady (Mariabel) +Magnificent Flame(MU) +Crimson Curse +Slow Start +Life Absorb Priest -> Dark Mage -> Dark Knight Okay, okay, it's nothing special, but the name just popped into my head and wouldn't let go until I wrote it down. Anyway, this should lead to a decent magic using Brady. Now to find someone to make his Robin Darn! He can't support Nightwing Jerome!

He really doesn't seem to cope well, if he's not the center of attention for the ladies. He started crying both times it happened (with Jerome and with Brady) I'm guessing the point is, that we see a softer, side of him, but right now it just makes him look really whiny. Of course, that might be the case because none of us here is a professional translator. Jerome is more reluctant with te guys than the girls because he doesn't understand his feelings for them, and refuses to act on them. Everyone is bi.

One True Harem? Well, even though no OTPs is intended, that doesn't mean that it will work. Some supports seem much more convincing, cuter, cooler or just plain better than others. For example Frederick x Sariya was hardly convincing in my opinion.

At least Vake sees it how it is. And I think it's not as creepy as it could be. If not for Nn and the implications of the ring or if it was some other friendship token, it would be quite sweet. I'm looking forward to Jerome x Azure. Mr. Serious vs. The Womanizer

There are also Sairi and Renha, but both can only have children with MU. So no cousins.

Changing Tiamo's name would be really stupid because it fits her perfectly. It's pretty close to "I love you" in italian

A line like "Wait, you're male?" would make it even more hilarious. Awwww.... :( Well, since Miscellany copied most parts from the male conversation, it's probably a simple error They just forgot to adjust the one word.

Does that mean, that male MU x Krom is about the same as female MU x Krom? Seeing each other naked and all? Screw Yuri, Yaoi it is! So we again learn a bit more about Taguel culture. Although it's really not much, since they both know next to nothing about it. But the pride things seems a lot like what Laguz had in FE9/10.

She'll only inherit one skill from Krom. And that skill will be Aether. Or does "(Always inherits Aether)" (http://www.serenesforest.net/fe13/children/cynthia.html) mean, that you always inherit Aether besides another skill? Anyway... Chambray, the Great Bunny Knight (Velvet x Frederick) +Holy Shield +Great Shield +Luna +Dual Guard+ +Strength +2 Velvet gives him Strength +2 from Dracoknight Frederick gives him Holy Shield from Paladin Taguel 15 -> Knight 10 -> General 20 -> Great Knight This guy should be one tough tank. Skill% that he only takes half damage, +10% that he doesn't take any damage at all when in double. Luna and Strength for damage. Bunny Knight! ------------------------------------------------ Jerome, the masked Menace (Serge x Henry) (Sorcerer) +Life Absorb +Renewal +Curse +Crimson Curse +Vengeance Life Absorb from Dark Knight Henry Renewal from Battle Cleric Serge Dracoknight -> Dark Mage 10 -> Sorcerer During Enemy Phase you take damage and strike them back with a vengeance. Druing Player Phase you fill up your HP. I'm not yet 100% percent sure this will work as planned though. -------------------------------- Lucina, the time-travelling Assassin (Krom x Soiree) +Aether +Astra +Lethality +Vantage +Pass Aether from Krom Astra from Swordmaster Soiree (I just remembered that it might be quite hard to do before the chapter Lucina joins... so maybe Lucina will have to reclass more) Lord 10 -> Myrmidon 10 -> Assassin She came from the future to kill everything in her way. With Aether, Astra and Lethality, nothing should stand in her way for long. Vantage makes her strike first even during enemy phase, Pass to get her to the unit you want gone.

Loran, the fastest Mage in Iris (Miriel x Gaia) Dark Knight +Lethality +Acrobatics +Movement +1 +Life Absorb +Magic Expert Magic Expert from Sage Miriel Acrobatics from Trickster Gaia Mage Lv 10 -> Thief 10 -> Assassin 5 -> Mage -> Dark Knight The levels als Thief should give him a decent sword level, Tomes should be good too. Lethality never hurts. Life Absorb should keep his HP up. Magic Expert to deal more damage when Lethality doesn't activate. Acrobatics and Movement +1 + being on a horse should enable him to be all over the map.

I like numbers, FE, switching things up and was reeeaaalllyyy bored at class. So I did some statistics. So, here's a list of how many characters have what reclass options. Children characters are not included, since they make everything wibbly wobbly. Adding MU would be pretty mute. Lord 1 (Krom) Cavalier 6 (Krom, Frederick, Soiree, Sol, Richt, Emelina) Knight 7 (Frederick, Sumia, Callum, Sariya, Basilio, Flavia, Valhart) Archer 8 (Krom, Viole, Sol, Richt, Sariya, Anna, Emelina, Renha) Mercenary 4 (Donny, Tiamo, Grego, Flavia) Fighter 4 (Vake, Donny, Gaia, Basilio) Barbarian 5 (Vake, Grego, Henry, Basilio, Gangrel) Myrmidon 8 (Soiree, Sol, Ronku, Gaia, Grego, Olivia, Sairi, Renha) Thief 9 (Vake, Callum, Ronku, Velvet, Gaia, Anna, Henry, Flavia, Gangrel) Troubadour 4 (Liz, Miriel, Mariabel, Serge) Cleric/Priest 6 (Liz, Sumia, Callum, Libera, Serge, Emelina) Mage 8 (Viole, Miriel, Richt, Mariabel, Nono, Libera, Anna, Tiki) Dark Mage 7 (Miriel, Tiamo, Libera, Sariya, Henry, Gangrel, Inverse) Pegasus Knight 7 (Liz, Sumia, Mariabel, Tiamo, Olivia, Sairi, Inverse) Dracoknight 12 (Frederick, Soiree, Viole, Ronku, Velvet, Nono, Serge, Sairi, Tiki, Valhart, Renha, Inverse) Villager 1 (Donny) Taguel 1 (Velvet) Manakete 2 (Nono, Tiki) Dancer 1 (Olivia) Overlord 1 (Valhart) Looks like Dracoknight is the the most commonly available class. Interresting. ------------------------------------------ And this is how many units of a certain promoted class you can have at any time: (Again excluding children and MU) Great Lord 1 (Krom) Paladin 6 (Krom, Frederick, Soiree, Sol, Richt, Emelina) Great Knight 12 (Krom, Frederick, Soiree, Sol, Richt, Emelina, Sumia, Callum, Sariya, Basilio, Flavia, Valhart) General 7 (Frederick, Sumia, Callum, Sariya, Basilio, Flavia, Valhart) Sniper 8 (Krom, Viole, Sol, Richt, Sariya, Anna, Emelina, Renha) Bow Knight 12 (Krom, Viole, Sol, Richt, Sariya, Anna, Emelina, Renha, Donny, Tiamo, Grego, Flavia) Hero 7 (Donny, Tiamo, Grego, Flavia, Vake, Gaia, Basilio) Warrior 7 (Vake, Donny, Gaia, Basilio, Grego, Henry, Gangrel) Berserker 5 (Vake, Grego, Henry, Basilio, Gangrel) Swordmaster 8 (Soiree, Sol, Ronku, Gaia, Grego, Olivia, Sairi, Renha) Assassin 15 (Soiree, Sol, Ronku, Gaia, Grego, Olivia, Sairi, Renha, Vake, Callum, Velvet, Anna, Henry, Flavia, Gangrel) Trickster 9 (Vake, Callum, Ronku, Velvet, Gaia, Anna, Henry, Flavia, Gangrel) Valkyrie 4 (Liz, Miriel, Mariabel, Serge) Battle Monk/Cleric 8 (Liz, Miriel, Mariabel, Serge, Sumia, Callum, Libera, Emelina) Sage 13 (Liz, Sumia, Callum, Libera, Serge, Emelina, Viole, Miriel, Richt, Mariabel, Nono, Anna, Tiki) Dark Knight 13 (Viole, Miriel, Richt, Mariabel, Nono, Libera, Anna, Tiki, Tiamo, Sariya, Henry, Gangrel, Inverse) Sorcerer 7 (Miriel, Tiamo, Libera, Sariya, Henry, Gangrel, Inverse) Pegasus Knight/Dark Pegasus 7 (Liz, Sumia, Mariabel, Tiamo, Olivia, Sairi, Inverse) Dragonmaster/Griffon Knight 12 (Frederick, Soiree, Viole, Ronku, Velvet, Nono, Serge, Sairi, Tiki, Valhart, Renha, Inverse) Villager 1 (Donny) Taguel 1 (Velvet) Manakete 2 (Nono, Tiki) Dancer 1 (Olivia) Overlord 1 (Valhart) A potential army of Assassins? It's possible in this game!

[spoiler=Chambray Spoiler] There was some information from Chambray's support with his father, that they are not his biological father and that Velvet had an encounter with another Taguel. That's about all we know.

The Donny x Olivia Support was the one, that gave us the hints about the Leanne x Naesala story. Maybe all of his supports have connections to other FEs?