Irony

To be honest, I thought so too. After all, YOLO had the whole day to come up with a convincing slot. I don't know what else YOLO could be (maybe the Delayed Roleblocker, but I'm not 100% sure.) Is there any important role that this game is missing?

Or you could just claim your role the minute I ask you to claim it. Though, Da Bear does raise two excellent points: Yeah, we really don't want a mislynch right now. That would be awful, as the Ensemble would auto-lose. Why didn't you lynch Rainbow, if you were so convinced that Rainbow is Mafia?

Also, another observation: 1) It's likely that the Mafia have a delayed Roleblocker on their team. 2) Da Bear claimed that his role was blocked for tonight. 3) I don't think that the Mafia would Roleblock someone on their team. Conclusion) Does that mean Da Bear is Town? YOLO, everyone else has already role claimed. There's no benefit in you not role claiming. This is making you look increasingly Mafia-like. What. Is. Your. Role?

N1: Idle N2: Attempted to Block Ryker. Wasn't allowed to do so. N3: Restricted. Couldn't block. N4: Still had 0 shots, so couldn't block. Idle again?

I think that section was my attempt at asking him? I'm not sure, but I was hoping that he would see it and comment on it later, and clear some stuff up?

Found the quote: Rainbow: The two most common reasons for bloodless nights, AFAIK, are a) doc protected Mafia NK target, or b) Mafia NKer got roleblocked. I think the latter is unlikely to happen so early since the Mafia would usually pick the towniest scum to handle the kill, who is not likely to be roleblocked. Kirsche's flip further suggests it was the first case. Irony: I know that it's not B). I am the role blocker, but my role has been limited in such a way that I'm basically a Vanilla Ensemble at the moment. Maybe we could add an option C) That there's a body guard who protected the person being killed on Night 1, but option A) is more likely. If that's the case, and Kirsche saved Proto/Rainbow and/or SB, it is safe to assume that they are Ensemble members. I just wanted to clear some stuff up and make sure that people didn't have a pointless discussion about who the Role blocker could have blocked.

To answer your second question, I did see DT's claim, yes. I just was confused about why he said "what if I outright refused to role claim" first. It just seemed weird? I will answer your first question in a second, need to find the quote first.

1) Are you asking why I claimed my role on D3? If so, it was because at the time the only options we had for a No Kill day was either Roleblocker or Doctor, and I was proving that it wasn't the Roleblocker (as that was my role) or something like that. 2) Who's Gorf? Is that DT?

Ok. I don't feel that badly lost at the moment, but if I do I will look at your comments as well.

My wording on that is terrible, and I apologise. I wasn't trying to say that DT didn't claim. I did acknowledge that he did claim. Rather, I was asking why he would ask "what if I refused to roleclaim", as that was the action that confused me. :/ And, I bolted my quote below to prove this.

Ok. I will trust you on this. After all, I haven't played with Gorf before, so I don't know what his Meta is like.

I'm not sure on how to explain it, but I just think that Rainbow's reads make logical sense? You could argue that I'm latching onto someone who's more experienced for reads, and that is probably right. But I just think that Rainbow bases his reads on evidence and logic and works to a conclusion that makes sense?

IMO, I think it's SB whose more likely Mafia, but apart from that, your plan makes sense. :) Ahhhh, kk. Thank you! :D

I know I was wrong on Ryker, and it did cause my reads to change drastically. I was getting to that, but I had a lot to write, and a lot to say, and I apologise for not saying that sooner. For example, I now think that you're ensemble, as there are other people who are acting more Mafia-like to me. And I apologise for calling you Mafia multiple times. My reads now are [YOLO/Yedi/SB-Trump]

And now, for Da Bear and Donald Trump: First off, I'm going to agree with Rainbow. In my opinion, I think it's more likely that Trump is Mafia rather than Da Bear. (But then I could be wrong. I did say that my reads might be terrible at the beginning of this thread) So, one reason why I say this (THIS IS NOT THE MAIN REASON, NOR IS IT IMPORTANT) I know I read both SB and Spinal before they subbed out, and I know I read Spinal as Town-leaning and SB as Mafia-leaning. But then, I know that Da Bear and Trump are not Spinal and SB, but anyways. I have two other reasons: The first one- Trump's role is more useful to the Mafia than Da Bear's. But both roles are useful to the Mafia. Mafia!Da Bear can watch people, and see if anyone visited Mafia targets. If the targets survived, then they'd know who the Doctor was (maybe that explains why Kirsche died on Night 3....) The reason I think Trump's role is more useful to the Mafia is threefold: 1) Da Bear can only use their role on alternative nights. This limits the amount of information the Mafia could get about the Town, and even if Da Bear could use their role, then that doesn't guarantee that the Doctor/Omniguard/Roleblocker/Flying Pixie/ Whatever would visit a Mafia Target. Trump's role on the other hand, can be used daily to get rid of people they view as a threat. 2) The Town wouldn't have an investigative role, and thus would be at a huge disadvantage. 3) I cannot remember the third reason at the moment? If I do remember it later, I will mention it. The other reason why I think Da Bear is more likely town, is because of this: First off, the WHOLE TOWN (bar YOLO, who seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.) had decided to role claim. There was literally no benefit to you hiding your role. Why would you outright refuse to role claim? Yes, I know you did role claim later, but why did you need to comment that first? No matter what your alligence is, that should make you look automatically suspicious, especially because you just subbed into the game.

Next, we have Elieson. I'm not exactly sure what the Courier is, but the Post Restrictor stuff sounds really useful, as it could silence any potential Mafia members from making their cases to lynch Ensemble members? Plus it can be backed up with evidence (Emelina and Ryker on D2 and D3 respectively.) I don't have any particular leanings towards Mafia/Ensemble, but... Because I already have three Mafia reads (two of them should be obvious by this point) and Elieson isn't one of them, it's more likely that Elieson is Ensemble?

And next, we have Rainbow. First off, I wish I had recorded my reaction to being saved by Rainbow. I might have had the largest grin on my face, and I might have muttered the words "thank you" quite a few times. This is why I am so glad that I'm Ensemble. I would have felt awful if I had been Mafia and seen this post. Anyways, I should say that I guess Rainbow is most likely Town. And no, it's not just because Rainbow chose to save me. The reason why is that, if Rainbow had been Mafia, I think that Green Poet's role (the mudracker) might have been more useful? Also, Rainbow's logic makes sense IMO, especially the delayed Rolebreaker in the Mafia (if I had to guess, it would either be YOLO or Yedi, but I think it's more likely to be YOLO, as there has to be a reason why YOLO is not claiming). Also provides a reason why she believed Yedi over Ryker which makes sense. I will not comment on the SB/Trump vs Spinal/Bear issue right at this moment, however, as I'll save that for their actual claims.

Ok, so, roles: I will say in advance that my reads might be terrible. Also, multiple comments because I will be quoting everyone's role claim. So, I'm going to start with YOLO. Rather, his lack of a claim. Immediately suspicious, because he did see that we wanted him to role claim first (or as one of the first) So, either he forgot or he has a role that makes him obviously Mafia, or he cannot come up with a convincing role!claim. I will say likely Mafia, and that we should lynch him. However, Yedi needs to go first for making us all lynch Ryker (and for being a massive liar)

Or Elieson. Sorry.

If YOLO doesn't claim, I guess that a) makes him look uber suspicious and b) I guess you and Refa should claim first?

Ok, that makes sense! :) Thank you for explaining! :)

So, if your role hadn't been restricted, who would you watch tonight and why? (You don't have to answer this immediately. When you've read everything, that's when I'd like your answer) So, if you vote on part 2 of a day (so between the 24-48th hour) then you get 2 votes instead of one? I'm confused.

I agree with you regarding the Mafia not being as good- I actually think the Ensemble have killed more members of the Ensemble than the Mafia? I don't think people have been pushing YOLO onto me? Like- I kinda thought that YOLO was Mafia independent of everyone's opinion. I know k saw YOLO lurking on the thread at multiple points plus YOLO did lynch someone without providing a reason?

As to when Rainbow and Elieson claim- if we do mass claim, I would like YOLO and SB to claim first.

Ah, kk. I thought it was highly unlikely, but just thought raising it was important. I was thinking that too. As YOLO has been inactive (and I can say the same about Yedi) I think it was more due to inactivity. Also, before I forget ##Vote:Yedi This is for lying about Ryker's alligence, which no Ensemble member would do.