Irony

Also- am I allowed to ask one small thing. Can someone make a list for me on how everyone plays Mafia? It's just that everyone is saying "Oh, X acts like this when they are a member of the ensemble" or "Y isn't doing this, and therefore they are in the Mafia." Having that information would be really, really useful in making better reads. Please? :)

Anyways- I'm back from the Anime showing (Danganronpa is such a great series!) and now for the reasoning: Elemina is my current vote. I know I stated my reasoning for this, but I don't remember it all (Again, this is due to the three assignments. 2 have been done, the other is for Sunday) . I do remember that I thought that Elemina's role could have been easily created by the Mafia and there were things about Emelina that I didn't like/trust. Ryker is my first choice for a switch vote. Again, I had him pegged as a Mafia read from the first day, again for reasons that I cannot exactly remember of the top of my head. I know inconsistency was one of them though? But Ryker's disappearance has made me even more suspicious about his allignment. YOLOSWAG would be my second choice for a switch vote. Again, I don't trust YOLOSWAG, mainly because I haven't seen them comment that often and when they do its not really progressing the Town. Hober Mallow is my third choice. I would put him at second choice, but I would be interested in seeing if someone subs for him or not and if they do, how do they act.

I'll explain reasoning later, but currently watching Anime.

I know that I voted Elemina, by the way. I'd be happy to switch to Ryker, Hober or YOLOSWAG though.

I get Elieson's reasoning, but I disagree with his conclusion. I just don't see how the Insomniac Role would benefit the Mafia as it leaves the person with that role defenceless on certain days. If everyone in the Town gangs up on that individual.... Again, I can only say that I don't see SB comment enough. I might have seen SB lurking (but then I've seen a lot of people lurking) so maybe SB's Mafia, but then I cannot be 100% certain.

So, as Elieson has replaced Refa, I'm going to try and read Elison's posts. Ok: 1) The reads are interesting, and make sense. (Though I will say that I'm female (again)) I like your reasoning. I'm interested in what your view on SB is, especially as Refa seems so weary of him. I'm also interested in what Blitz and Yedi's responses to your reads would be. 2) I agree with you- I do need the help. I'm trying to read up on roles/rules and stuff, and it's a lot to take in. 3) I guess you're in the ensemble? In all honesty, you are probably in my "I'm not sure yet" pile, mainly because you've just subbed in, but you're working your way through the entire thread, taking notes and trying to progress the Town's development. I kinda trust you? Also @kirchse- what if both Refa and Hober Mallow were Town? How would that affect the subbing?

And also- I feel like I need to acknowledge something. Ever since yesterday started, I've had a lot more people call on reads on me than they did in Day 1 (it feels like it anyways.) I think the reason for that is due to the change in my play style. I do know what I was uber passive on day 1, what with the no lynch vote and trying to avoid reads, whereas on Day 2 I am being a lot more aggressive. This is my playstyle. Like Spinal (or Ken Masters) I don't believe in making rash votes and nominations, but rather observing and deducing, before going out all guns blazing. If that has suprised you, I apologise, but I have mentioned it in previous comments on Day 1, so it shouldn't really be a surprise.

Who's on your pool, if not myself? Apart from Mallow, obviously? But apart from that, I'd agree with you- Mallow is on my Null list, and I can't think of anyone who has him on their Town lists of the top of my head. I will disagree with you r.e. Rainbow though. I think it's more likely that they're town, in my opinion.

*Says that they cannot formulate a Mafia team that doesn't include User X* *Thinks that we should not apply pressure on User X as they've been floating on everyone's scum list consistently* .... That literally doesn't make any logical sense. If you cannot form a Mafia team that doesn't include Mallow, then why aren't you voting for him. Maybe you are right, and he's in the Mafia. If you are a member of the Town, surely you'd want to get rid of him, so that you can win more easily?

1) It could be beneficial to the Mafia, as it could mislead people on a) How many Mafia members there were, b) Even if there were three members of the Mafia, you could draw suspision away from yourself (which proved highly beneficial in the Green Poet vs Emelina debacle on Day Three) or c) Even if you have your role, for all I know it could be a Mafia Role. (And yes, I know that will make it difficult for me to role claim later on, but I feel like I need to say this) 2) It's reactionary. Yes, it could also be a town thing to do, I admit that, but it kinda seems like Mafia trying to draw suspision away from themselves again. 3) I feel that members of the Town are more likely to have consistent reads and views. Yes, I will admit that Town members can also be inconsistent with their views (after all, information changes rapidly), but I feel that Mafia members would struggle to hold consistent views, as if they tried to claim that someone was in the Mafia, surely then they could be called out?

Cool! :) Thank you! :) What are these reasons exactly? Maybe I can address them, and therefore show you that I'm not in the Mafia? :)

My vote is currently in my head, but I didn't want to make it until the final day, as I wanted to be more certain of whether I was doing the right thing. However, since you asked, I shall vote. ##Vote: Emelina. For many, many reasons, all of them listed earlier: 1) Your "claimed role" could be easy to fake. 2) You targeted at least six people for calling you a Member of the Mafia. 3) Your views were inconsistent. ... I could go on, but in a nutshell, I think that you're in the Mafia. One thing I don't like doing is lying. So, I'm going to be honest. This is literally my first game of Mafia, and I seriously want to get better at it. I will be honest and say that I've played Werewolf, but I mostly do that in person and not over the Internet (I am on the online Werewolf game on Golden Sunrise however.) I don't know the lexicon at all, I don't even know what half the roles do. In a nutshell, I am a noob.

To explain why: 1) It's consistent (Yes, I say that a lot, but I feel that Members of the Mafia are less likely to have consistent views/reads) 2) It actually makes sense. It's logical, based on evidence and it's detailed. Yes, you may not comment often, but that post was high quality. :)

Rainbow, I like your reasoning. :)

I think I trusted Refa originally because Refa seemed to have a consistent train of thought about issues regarding their reads on who was Town and who was Mafia. Your thoughts have highlighted aspects of Refa's play that I missed/read when I was too tired to register (to be fair, considering that I have three assignments in this week, I think that's to be expected). I might move Refa into my Null Reads for now, and you into my town reads. Apologies if I didn't mention it sooner.

Ok, I will look into both. Maybe that might cause me to change my reads. Tell me which page to start looking at and I can do so. :) In all honesty, the fewer pages I have to read the better. And so I go from Mafia -> Ensemble -> Interesting customer. I knew that would happen once I started posting, but ah well. I still maintain that I am a member of the ensemble. As I said, I will claim my role of I have to (like Green Poet and Blitz did), but that's only if I'm at risked of getting lynched? I just suck at acronyms. :( What does bother you about my reads on Emelina and YOLOSWAG? I can guess why you'd be bothered at my read on you, but I'm intregued with the other two.

Oh, right. That makes sense now. I've seen that phrase being thrown around and it confused me. :/ As I said, I'm going through one page at a time, just to see what was said, try to summarise it and in general I am also trying to answer Green Poet's question. And to do that, I need to go from the beginning.

Admittedly, I don't. If you could explain, that would be amazing. :)

Spinal supporting my point, yes. It was rather early to be claiming reads on three people. You did explain your "role" later, but there are two issues: 1) This is an easy role for the Mafia to fake. If you were Mafia, you would know how many people were in the Mafia, and you could easily cast suspision onto someone who was not in the Mafia (RIP Green Poet). Yes, you did explain you reasoning for voting Green Poet at the very beginning (that's the next thing I'm commenting on), but why did you vote Rainbow and Spinal so early on, even though they had commented only 1 at that point? 1 comment is not enough for a scum read. I will comment that, if someone did have that role, then they would have counter claimed, which does lessen the amount of suspision on you. Unless of course, that role isn't even in the game in the first place. 2) The way you did it was suspicious. You could have said "my role allows me to know how many Mafia members there are. There are three members of the Mafia, and 10 people in the ensemble." Instead you just say three people's names, and say that they are Mafia members, when only 10 comments have been made. Yep, this is the next thing I'm commenting on. Reasoning does makes sense, admittedly. However, I will only say that for Rainbow and Green Poet's read. If you said that Spinal was Mafia because "he didn't vote and it showed he didn't care to progress the phrase" then why did you not include me on the list? I said that I was abstaining for the entire first day, and at the time I was getting to grips with the whole Mafia thing. (And before you ask, no I'm not Mafia. I am in the ensemble. If I have to, I could claim my role, but I'd rather not do so at the moment.) Again, I agree with Spinal. Your actions in making the Mafia list could also be a Mafia thing to do. You'd be throwing suspicion onto other players, and you made that list without a shread of evidence. Again, this makes you highly suspicious in my eyes.

Firstly, I learnt that I should have trusted you, and I apologise for my scum read on you, Green Poet. So, I'm going to start with the first posts into the thread of those that jumped onto the bandwagon. 1) Refa- as I'm going through one page at a time (yes, I'm an idiot) , I don't yet know whether Refa provided a reason for voting for you or not, but you were the first to vote without providing a reason, so maybe it was in response to that? As I said, I'm reading 1 page at a time, so I don't know. 2) SB- Again, SB was being suspicious of your first vote, which didn't provide a reason for why you voted for Spinal. 3) Ryker- Now, my judgement may be affected by my views on Ryker 4) Emelina- yes you did explain you're reasoning later, which makes you slightly more trustworthy, but at the time it was highly suspicious. But then- Refa asked you your reasoning for your list, and you said "I'll tell you later". Why did Ryker, of all people, reply with an emoticon? I can't remember who said that they hoped that Ryker and Emelina were the Mafia team, due to the fact that they kept on getting each other to answer questions posed to them. However, I'm seriously starting to believe that Emelina and Ryker are members of the Mafia. It's weird that, despite all of the suspicions piled onto Ryker and Emelina, the two of them are still a team? This has been further increased by Emelina saying that there's no need for a Ryker vote. Emelina, why do you say that? If I'm right, and your role allows you to know how many Mafia members there are, then you wouldn't know who is a member of the Mafia. Why are you so confident that Ryker is a member of the ensemble? Apart from that, Page 1 was uneventful.

"same goes for irony. irony, you should give your opinion on what happened this phase, what you learned from my lynch, what you think about those who were on my wagon, and when they got on it. so far you've passed under the radar and a lot of people are glossing over your play largely by virtue of you being new, which should discontinue." Sorry I missed the endgame stuff, I was asleep when it all went down. Anyways- I will try and answer your question, but I need to check stuff first.

Also, at the moment, my readings are thus: Mafia: Elemina, Ryker (I've said why before, but I still don't really trust them) and YOLOSWAG (Posts aren't detailed enough, and seems to be taking advantage of situations.) Town: Spinal, Blitz, Refa (Same reasons as previously), and myself (obviously, I know what my role is). Null: Pratically everyone else. These are just preliminary reads, and that's why my reads are not in too much depth at the moment. Both my reads and the reasons behind them will change as I go reread the Day 1 thread (seriously, why are there 600+ posts in the Day 1 section?!) and see how everyone reacts. That might take me a while, due to life, but I will get that done! :D

Ok, so nobody died last night. That means that we must have a doctor and/or bodyguard who is doing their job extremely well. Or we could have a jail keeper who imprisoned one of the Mafia members. Unless the Mafia can choose not to kill. Whilst it would be extremely useful to know who they saved, as we could potentially find out who was chosen to be killed by the Mafia, it could put any of those three roles into extreme danger. Apart from that, we can know for sure that Blitz is telling the truth about his role. Therefore, he is almost certain to be a townie (unless his role is Mafia aligned? I doubt that though.) Anyways, I will be voting today. There are two things I will need to look at before I do so though: 1) Everyone's voting history. This might help me determine alliances and what not (for example. The way Ryker and Spinal interacted on Day 1 leads me to believe that they are either Town/Town, Mafia/Town or Town/Mafia. This is because two Mafia members are unlikely to put that much attention on each other. Could lead to them getting lynched after all.) 2) Again, I'll need to look at everyone's reads and various arguments, and see who was coherent and who was not in their views. If someone isn't coherent, and is bandwagoning, it could suggest that they are Mafia? Apart from that, I'll will just be looking at the thread and see what arguments are made today. :)

This guy: http://m.imgur.com/T1HrmT0?r In all seriousness, probably Ewan from Sacred Stones, if I could have someone of the opposite gender. Apart from that, probably Cynthia from Awakening, as she's similar to me personality wise?

So, if Micaiah was "assassinated" 15 years before the beginning of the games events: Micaiah has to be at least 18 years in the events of Radiant Dawn. Of course, I'm not saying that she is 18 years old, but maybe she's not as old as some people think? Man, I really want to know what her profile says.