Shiki Ryougi

Also Jay, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only reason to vote Illusio is because he acted hypocritically, right? Where did your "grasping town newbie" argument go?

I don't think I understand your question. Haven't you read mine and Jay's posts saying why we think he's a TOWN newbie and not scum doing something stupid? I'm used to dealing with the later a lot, really. I've seen cases where scum try to act smart but fail badly while trying to do something bad. My judgment isn't perfect, but he doesn't seem to be scum to me. Also, you're trying your hardest to make us believe Illusio is definitely scum, from the way you phrase your posts. Are you sure about that? Are you softclaiming Cop? Then stop saying he's definitely scum, that you convicted him as scum, that people who believe him not to be scum but town newbie are wrong and are giving him a free pass, that it's obvious he's scum etc. By the way, is he your only scumread? It seems you completely forgot about the game to focus on a single target... And this is one of the reasons why I believe you're being opportunistic by tunneling an easy lynch target. Woah, that was... Sure opportunistic. You picked a side, distorted everything that happened to fit into your excuse, and made a post. This is awful. Really, really awful. Would you please read the thread? I still think Illusio and Parsel can't be on the same scumteam. Nor Urist and Illusio, obviously. Or Bogeto and Urist, because he chose to vote Urist instead. Bogeto's sudden appearance and opportunistic vote makes me want to lynch him instead of Urist, because he could have been buddying with Illusio back then (and if he turned out to be scum, so would Illusio, and then Urist would be town), but we don't have enough time, soo...

If he's got nothing on you as you say, then how can you say he's trying to make you look worse than him as an act of defense? You're being dramatic again. YOU are the one trying to make him look worse than you. Your case agaisnt him is basically how he used to jump around voting people for the slightest things and over-agressiveness, like everyone said. Except you decided to tunnel him. After he made enough slips, you determined he was an easy lynch and voted him. Who's trying to look worse than who? Uh, I told you before I think Illusio is a town newbie trying to be helpful but he's slipping a lot and doing it wrong, hence why he looks scummy imo.

Obviously the town has not fallen for this, Illusio doesn't have a case agaisnt you (he's jumping around more than focusing on a single person), and most people voting you are doing so for other reasons. Stop the drama please. This is obviously a bad generalization of my vote. So defending Magus makes me scum? So I and Storm are scumbuddying Magus because we're voting you? I gave a good reason saying why I think you're opportunistically picking on Magus. stop please, you're doing basically the same thing everyone was doing to Magus, the only thing that's different is that you're picking on him further. You're not convicting him as scum just from his slips. it's becoming even more dramatic. ... When did Bogeto roleclaim? What kind of answer do you want from him? "I'm sorry you think the way I play is scummy but that's how I play anyway and I think I'm helping so I don't have any excuses"?

Indeed. I asked you right after Dwarf voted you and you called him for it. I didn't remind you about that because I was waiting for an answer before and I was too tired and lazy yesterday to keep switching users while my internet was slow as a turtle carrying another turtle on the back. This is pretty serious. I'd call it an OMGUS because you chose him over me just because I voted Illusio, not you. Acting over-agressively and over-defensively at the same time is a scumtell. I think that may be the way you play, but still, I'm not relying on meta since I'm not sure about who you are. I don't think Illusio is scum anymore. He's slipping a lot, but I'm more inclined onto believing he's a town newbie trying to be helpful than scum planning something. Dwarf also bothers me because he picks on Illusio's slips more than anyone and use them to justify his reasoning for finding him scummy, something a cunning scum could do to take opportunity on a town newbie trying to be helpful but slipping a lot. His excuses also seem to come from a "scumhunting textbook", as Jatsby said before. Unvote ##Vote: Urist McDwarf I still have to develop my scumread on him further, but that comes after I'm back and not as busy as I am now.

Why do you suspect him but don't suspect me too since I said basically the same thing? Also, I don't understand what clarification made Illusio want to take off his vote. What does it have to do with that?

... I'm still not sure if Illusio saw an opportunity to focus on PT and "make a case" agaisnt him, or if he's just trying to get out of RVS phase and start some discussion. I'm leaning more on the former because voting someone just because they made a lynch vote post and an attack post when everyone is doing RVS is an overreaction in my books. So, Unvote. ##Vote: Illusio Mage Stationary vote until I see a better target. My case agaisnt him is pretty weak and focuses a lot on my POV, which isn't a solid thing anyway. But for now, he's my best target.

##Vote: Gonzou Azai Guy is obviously from the Yakuza. As a Scum Hunter, I can't let him walk freely!

Scumhunter X reporting for duty, sir! Though my crappy internet stops me from finding an appropriate avatar.

Navo if you're town I'm going to flip a shit.

??? Ugh, of course des Rois is subbing. ##Unvote till his replacement gets here.

I'll hammer if that's the consensus, but des Rois better have some good posts this next day phase :/ Not hammering now, though, we have time.

I was referring more to the fact you only gave real reads on Me, Moonside, and Navo (by voting him, I wouldn't have said you saw him as scummy otherwise), and the rest are meh. I agree, I want Navo to answer the questions, but is that why you're voting him? Yeah, there weren't any "kinda town" or "kinda scummy", I'm just stupid.

Please, PLEASE explain how this justifies your vote for Navo at all. You seem really hesitant, and I'll repeat what I said to des Rois that you should not vote just for the sake of voting. It seems like lazy scum. While I acknowledge that you've given your reads, be a bit more confident. You have a few "kinda town" one or two "kinda scummy". Can you give the people in that post stronger reads?

Why would scum rather mislynch Pluto over Navo (assuming Navo is town)? According to Moonside, Navo seems to have more experience, so...? What would be gained from mislynching an inactive over a slightly-less inactive? Also a problem, though I'm not even sure where everybody is getting that Navo is so experienced.

And lol @ me being Rapier.

This has done nothing to change my opinion. I don't really understand what you're saying about Navo (clarify please), and don't place a vote for the sake of having a vote. I'm not asking you to place votes, but you should still scumhunt or w/e. Matter of fact, you seem to be doing what I was accused of doing earlier. Coming when you're called and trying to appease.

Sure, I guess I agree with your thoughts on Navo's playstyle. I don't see his reply to Pluto as buddying, however, because PLUTO IS NOT SCUM. How on EARTH could he be scum buddying a townie?

What is this I don't even

You should look at how I'm being addressed in this game, then. Because you're straight up following the first part of your Scum Lurking theory. Plenty players don't post in massive walls, and plenty of reads have been given on them. You'll need a better excuse as to why you have literally 0 reads. You should stick to digesting those posts before you go around feigning contribution. ##Vote: des Rois Okarin, from what I grasped, your scumread on SB was greater than your one on Balboa. I haven't been really focusing on Navo or Balboa, so I'll make a post concerning them after I ISO.

Moonside, this sentence is... really bad. I don't think it's really scummy, but bad.

Also, Moon, why do you find Navo scummy? And Okarin, you seem to find a load of people scummy, why aren't you voting SB?

Inactivity is a really bad tactic to choose, mainly because everybody jumps on you. Even if it's not by choice (which has apparently been the case with everybody who ever goes inactive here), it draws attention, which is ironically what a purposely-inactive player would want to do. After reading through Moon's posts again, I guess his reasoning for Pluto fits in. Mainly because of his second to last paragraph in #328. ##Unvote des Rois, you've posted quite a bit, and you've read up. However, you haven't given any real reads yet.

I think you misunderstood. I wasn't accusing you, or commenting on why you did what you did, just that those reads (for better or worse) have been adressed. What are your reads at the moment, on the remaining players?

##Vote: Moonside After ISO'ing, you said I was scummy in part because of my inactivity, while in your previous post you said that scum inactivity would be detrimental because scumbuddies would be mad at him (pluto) for being inactive. So, scum can't be inactive because they want to be, but being inactive is still scummy?