Raven Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) Bulbasaur Cyndaquil Treecko Turtwig Edited December 11, 2008 by Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwolf_UK Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 When i'm doing a normal playthrough I always pick the grass starter for some reason. As far as speedruns go I've only attmepted on two of the games (well three if you count Fire Red as a different game) but here goes: Red/Blue: Squirtle. Learns its required move for Brock at the lowest level (it learns Bubble before Bulbasaur gets Vine whip), grab mega punch in Mt Moon (was it?) for Misty, learn dig for Lt.Surge, grab Ice Beam for Erika. The traditional thing to do is get Zapdos for someone else to beat the Elite 4 with. I can't remember the times I managed but I think it was about 3 hours for both versions. Fire Red has Mega Punch as a tutor move which is good but you have to get Ice Beam and Thunderbolt (Shock Wave is rubbish with a basic Zapdos vs. Elite 4) from the Game Corner which eats up about 10 miuntes it might have been quicker not to get Thunderbolt. In the case of Yellow, Nidoran Male evolved to Nidoking is the route to go and also learn TMs Nidoking can use most of them. Ruby/Saphire. I didn't finish but I went with Torchic due to good selection of moves and Focus energy for criticals I suppose Dire hit does the same thing. Mudkip is your other viable choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seph Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I chose Bulbasaur, Cyndaquil and Mudkip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSu Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Charmander Totodile Treeko Chimchar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¬_¬ Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I'm torn between Treeko and Mudkip, I used them both equally, but my last Ruby file I went Mudkip, so I chose that. Same between Cyndaquil and Totodile, water again. Squirtle for the majority of first generation, Charmander coming in second. And Turtwig for D/P because everyone went Chimchar. I don't blame them, he's an amazing wallbreaker as a mixed sweeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 All fires baby! i like my flames! :P Chimchar is the cutest pokemon starter, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunny: spider bitten Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 The Water starters are normally the best, iirc. Um. . . No. Statistically, they're actually more along the lines of the worst. All good in theory, but each easily replaceable, if only because there are more water pokemon than there is water in some regions. Unless you're Swampert, then it's just gg. The issue is that fire is a crap type. Otherwise they'd be pretty dominant. I mean, what type isn't super effective against Charizard? Grass? lol. But lolmetagame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Um. . . No. Statistically, they're actually more along the lines of the worst. All good in theory, but each easily replaceable, if only because there are more water pokemon than there is water in some regions. Unless you're Swampert, then it's just gg. The issue is that fire is a crap type. Otherwise they'd be pretty dominant. I mean, what type isn't super effective against Charizard? Grass? lol. But lolmetagame. YES! Water starter's are usually BAAAAAAAAAD, although D/P saved Feraligatr by actually giving him Attack based STAB. But you basically said it all. It's kind of sad, I love the fire type, but it kind of sucks. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceNoctali Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 As for me, it would be : * Charmender * Cyndaquil * Treecko * Chimchar 3rd Gen's starters are all very good and I love them all, it was hard to decide. But since I like Mudkip a bit less than the other two, and since Infernape is overall better than Blaziken, I'd say Treecko in the end for 3rd gen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnell Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 I agree that the water types are a bit weaker statistically. But I still use them because A.) I've always used the water type B.) You can catch a flying type early on in every game to counter your rival's grass type and C.) The recent water 3rd evolutions (Empoleon + Swampert) have been combo types that usually have a good second type to back them up. And I love Feraligatr, he was the main Pokemon I always played S/G/C with. Aaaaaah. Good memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiba Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 *Charmender * Cyndaquil * Torchic *and whatever the grass one was for diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwolf_UK Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I feel sorry for the person in that suit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Bulbasaur (in RBY Venusaur got an amazing Razor Leaf and double powder, while the others got... nothing. Even in later generations Venusaur at least made it out of UU) Cyndaquil (these all suck but Typhlosion is my favorite =X) Mudkip (great typing and stat distribution for Swampert) Chimchar (rapes lots of things but dies if touched) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Fire types plz... "reach out and torch someone" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 (edited) To be honest, I can't stand Chimchar. He ruined the whole tradition of me picking fire types. Plus he turns out like blazekin, fighting and fire. But Blazekin looks way cooler. When it comes to pokemon, it's more about aesthetic appeal for me rather than overall usefulness. Hence why I had a Furret in my final team for Gold. This is making me want to play pokemon though. Using the original 3 starters. *Goes to play Ruby emulator. With Action replay hacking prowess.* Here's how the starters break down for me. Fire: Charmander>Torchic>Cyndaquil>>>>>>>>>Chimchar Water: Squirtle>Piplup>Totodile>Mudkip Grass: Bulbasaur>Treeko>Turtwig>Chikorita Chimchar is my least favorite of all the starters. Plus Piplup ends up water and steel type. And Steel types are awesome. Edited December 13, 2008 by Lyle Dayek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSu Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I feel sorry for the person in that suit HILARIOUS! To be honest, I can't stand Chimchar. He ruined the whole tradition of me picking fire types. Plus he turns out like blazekin, fighting and fire. But Blazekin looks way cooler. Infernape looks damn cool. Blazekin is so-so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 (edited) piplup is quite easily worst of the 3 dp starters. Lets take the three fully evolved starters and give them 1 move for each of there types. Infernape- Flare Blitz, close combat Torterra-Leaf Storm, earthquake Empoleon-Hydro Pump, flash cannon Infernape can take down torterra with fare blitz and empoleon with close combat. Torterra can take out both Infernape and Empoleon with earthquake Empoleon can take down infernape with hydro pump but will lose to torterra. using this logic, i am the best at pokemon on my street when i actually play. and i have darkrai, so stay back! Edited December 14, 2008 by SunMoonSky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Wait, wut. The starters will probably never face each other, so that's not an accurate way to say who's the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solanum Tuberosum Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Charmander Mudkip Totodile ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krevin Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 (edited) In-game RBY: Blastoise > Venasuar > Charizard Metagame RBY: Venasuar > Charizard > Blastoise In-game GSC: Feraligatr > Typhlosion > Meganium Metagame GSC: Meganium > Typhlosion > Feraligatr In-game AND Metagame RSE: Swampert > Sceptile > Blaziken In-game DPPt: Infernape > Empoleon > Torterra Metagame DPPt: Infernape > Torterra > Empoleon In-game DPPt, Infernape is the only decent fire pokemon, and fire pokemon prove more useful than ever what with a grass gym, a steel gym, AND an ice gym. In-game for all four gens treat the water-starter like a god because you can't always make room for a good surfing pokemon. Metagame placement was based off tiers. When two pokemon appeared in the same tier, it was generally obvious which one was better. Infernape- Flare Blitz, close combatTorterra-Leaf Storm, earthquake Empoleon-Hydro Pump, flash cannon Thats not a fair argument at all. Give 'em their full movesets and have it compared to the standards: Torterra's most common moveset: ~ Wood Hammer ~ Earthquake / Stone Edge ~ Leech Seed ~ Stealth Rock / Protect @Leftovers Infernape's most common moveset: ~ Flamethrower / Fire Blast ~ Close Combat ~ Nasty Plot ~ Grass Knot / Hidden Power Ice @Life Orb Empoleon's most common moveset: ~ Agility ~ Surf / Hydro Pump ~ Ice Beam / Grass Knot ~ Substitute @Petaya Berry Now, since you seem to be most focused on having them face eachother, Empoleon's STAB'd Surf gets SE against Infernape, and Ice beam hits Torterra pretty hard, and both of them have Empoleon's high SA stat boosting their power. Infernape's Flamethrower takes out Torterra in 2-3 hits (OHKO if he's had time to use Nasty Plot), and Close Combat takes a strong toll on Empoleon. Torterra's Earthquake gets STAB and SE on the both of them. Based on your argument, they all counter eachother pretty well. Infernape wins, though, because of his type coverage and ability to sweep. Edited December 14, 2008 by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealed Roy Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Squirtle Totodile Mudkip Piplup I like the Water starters. :F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwolf_UK Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Bulbasaur (in RBY Venusaur got an amazing Razor Leaf and double powder, while the others got... nothing. Even in later generations Venusaur at least made it out of UU) Yeah high critical moves were just insane in RBY the critical chance was the speed stat and for some reason with high critical moves it multiplied this and so anything with something like a base speed of more than 70 would critical every time with those moves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I feel sorry for the person in that suit Lol wtf but turtwig is awesome i wish i had a DS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom103 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Bublasaur Totadile Treko Turtwig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 (edited) In-game RBY: Blastoise > Venasuar > CharizardMetagame RBY: Venasuar > Charizard > Blastoise I disagree. While Venasaur is a great Pokemon, and probably more powerful than Charizard NOW, the RBY Metagame was ruled by Pyschics, back when they where crazy powerful, and being part Poison was like being dead. :P Edited December 15, 2008 by ZXValaRevan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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