Lute

[Junkhead]

I never do that, I just backed Lux' comment.

[Eltoshen]

Soul will you please stop saying "hey everybody listen to this guy!" whenever somebody backs your arguments? If you're too chicken to rely on your own words to win an argument, just say so.

Yeah, you could've just PM'd him...

My personal preference is Sage, though.

[Junkhead]

Yae, it's not like I say "Hey, listen to this guy!", I only did it this once, he just dislikes me for that whole arguement at the Moulder topic -_-.

Let's argue Hero!Garcia vs Warrior!Garcia!

[Candlejack]

Meh, I'm undecided. Warriors get Bows and Heroes get Swords. Both are good for Garcia's shitty Accuracy.

I'd say Warrior, although its only because Gerik makes the better Hero.

EDIT: Well well, Warriors have the same SPD cap as a Hero's. And a higher DEF cap and STR cap. And the same RES cap. Only thing Hero is winning in is SKL cap.

Edited October 17, 2009 by OliverXRenning

[Junkhead]

I went for Hero :( :

I just...I just happen to like Hero!Garcia for some reason, but I can't say I am not satisfied with the result, he one rounds everything :) .

[Don Draper]

I'm a bit buzzed right now, but I don't dislike you at all soul112. You're a cool guy, and I apologized for calling you out before in the Moulder topic. I'm not 100% sure you're referring to me, but whatever I'm just covering my basese.

[The Envoy of the Beginning]

Meh, I'm undecided. Warriors get Bows and Heroes get Swords. Both are good for Garcia's shitty Accuracy.

I'd say Warrior, although its only because Gerik makes the better Hero.

EDIT: Well well, Warriors have the same SPD cap as a Hero's. And a higher DEF cap and STR cap. And the same RES cap. Only thing Hero is winning in is SKL cap.

Heroes gain a +2 speed on promotion. Warriors don't. Garcia needs all the speed he can get since he's slow.

Heroes also get a C in swords. Warriors get an E in bows. And it's been argued in this game that swords > bows.

Therefore, Garcia should always go hero. Just because Gerik makes a better hero doesn't mean Garcia shouldn't be one. Saying otherwise is just stupid. >_>

And caps are the last thing you should worry about since you're not likely going to hit them at all unless you abuse.

Edited October 17, 2009 by Black Soldier

[Jaybee]

^I'm sorry, but that answer is just wrong. 30 Magic is just overkill, 25 magic will have no problem clearing pretty much every enemy in story mode. Mageknight's key advantage is greater movement, allowing her to keep up in a mounted-dominated game. The con is nice too, there are occasionally some Swordmasters/Heroes that she can't otherwise double.

, that's how you make me go...why? Because you always seem to have some excuse to dislike overkilling classes.

It's not the overkill, damn it, Sage Lute also gets Light Magic(I don't mind too much about that, though).

Also, if you have the chance to get her to have more magic, then go for it, it's not what's necesary for the game or not, like sirius said once "Why do I need certain character to beat the game when I already have the necesary ones", that's just playing for winning, and that sucks.

You mean the thing that is inferior to Anima because it has less might, AND Lute doesn't get Slayer from it? And the only good thing it has is +~10 crit, which doesn't activate much and Lute still ORKOs anyway?

[Candlejack]

Meh, I'm undecided. Warriors get Bows and Heroes get Swords. Both are good for Garcia's shitty Accuracy.

I'd say Warrior, although its only because Gerik makes the better Hero.

EDIT: Well well, Warriors have the same SPD cap as a Hero's. And a higher DEF cap and STR cap. And the same RES cap. Only thing Hero is winning in is SKL cap.

Heroes gain a +2 speed on promotion. Warriors don't. Garcia needs all the speed he can get since he's slow.

Heroes also get a C in swords. Warriors get an E in bows. And it's been argued in this game that swords > bows.

Therefore, Garcia should always go hero. Just because Gerik makes a better hero doesn't mean Garcia shouldn't be one. Saying otherwise is just stupid. >_>

And caps are the last thing you should worry about since you're not likely going to hit them at all unless you abuse.

1. Fair point.

2. Really? Huh. But they don't get any points in Axes, but that might mean little.

3. Garcia could really go either way; Hero for more SPD for easier doubling, and Warrior for more power and axe points.

4. Yeah, I know caps mean little in a debate unless one can actually cap their stat. I'm just noting out something that I really did NOT expect.

On Warrior's side though, Garcia gets +3 DEF and +3 RES on promotion to Warrior, as well as +2 CON. Hero gets promo gains in SPD and HP, which beat Warrior's gains in those stats as well.

I also looked at average stats: Hero!Garcia reaches his STR cap of 25 at around 20/10. He'll also usually cap HP at 20/20. But lols to that. He doesn't really get near his SPD cap as Hero, despite the +2 SPD gain, and his DEF is -10 points away from the cap at 20/20. So he'll kill things a lot, and double a shitload.

But then I looked at Warrior!Garcia...

Caps his 30 STR limit at 20/18, but surpasses Hero's STR cap at 20/10. Everything else, save DEF and RES (But those are because of the higher caps.), is lower than Hero's average stats at 20/20.

Man, why are Heroes so damn good?

Let's start out another one with a good ol' Colm to Assassin or Colm to Rogue debate.

[CrashGordon94]

How dare ye.

Quite easily actually! ;)

I would've figured you to be a slight fan of Lute.

Why would you think that?

Anyway, decided to quantify my point on there being less potential MKs.

Possible Sages: Lute, Saleh, Ewan, Moulder, Artur

5 Sages.

Possible MKs: Lute, Ewan, L'arachel, (in CC only) Selena.

3.5 MKs (I count Selena as one half because she's only in CC)

Did I forget anyone?

[Jaybee]

So? You don't need a "balance" of units. I could easily promote Forde, Kyle, Franz and Amelia to Paladin so I'd have 5, leaving Duessel (and maybe Gilliam) as the sole GK, and saying "fuck this, imma rush the map".

[Dat Nick]

Yae, it's not like I say "Hey, listen to this guy!", I only did it this once, he just dislikes me for that whole arguement at the Moulder topic

Yes you do. You kept doing it in the moulder topic even when Eltoshen's arguments were completely wrong [lategame is NOT monster flooded, at all] and you did it here as well. It's a thing with you and it's really starting to get annoying.

[Junkhead]

Well that's you're problem for not accepting it -_-.

@BS x OxR: Well, bows have +1 Mt(Which nobody cares, not even me) it's fot their lack of 1 range attacks that, and C Rank in swords is quite good actually.

Sure, he has lower Def than Gerik, but enemies seem to make him laughable damage around 0-5 with just 12 Def my Hero!Garcia has.

[Eltoshen]

Yae, it's not like I say "Hey, listen to this guy!", I only did it this once, he just dislikes me for that whole arguement at the Moulder topic

Yes you do. You kept doing it in the moulder topic even when Eltoshen's arguments were completely wrong [lategame is NOT monster flooded, at all] and you did it here as well. It's a thing with you and it's really starting to get annoying.

ROFL, wtf, no I'm not wrong.

As it was pretty much proven by IOS, Moulder struggles to promote in chapter 16, let alone any earlier than that. The biggest maps after that are all monster flooded. Sure, you have like 2 small maps of limited human enemies, but the rest are all monsters. >_> Chapter 18, 19, 20 are all monsters. Chapter 16? Moulder hasn't even promoted yet. Chapter 17 is the only time he's useful as a Sage, and he's at level 1.

Don't call my arguments wrong when you're just unwilling to accept your own idiocy, and claim bullshit. "Oh, by that time, we're just rushing maps so MoulderBishop's lead means nothing at all!" That's the lamest argument I've heard in a long time.

[Dat Nick]

ROFL, wtf, no I'm not wrong.

That point was.

Bishop may >Sage Moulder, but it was not because "lategame is monster flooded"

The biggest maps after that are all monster flooded.

No they fucking aren't. Do you want me to pull out C15-20 enemy stats again? Only TWO chapters have monsters, and it's not an issue in one of them because Sage Moulder ORKOs Deathgoyles fine.

Here, since I apparently need to prove things to you twice:

Scorched Sand(Eirika Route)

Average LvL: 20/1

Ephraim Rejoining Stats(LvL 4 prior to path split)-27/10/12/12/10/9/6(LvL 10)

Duessel Joining Stats-43/19/12/13/8/19/9(LvL 10, Silver Axe, Silver Lance, Vulnerary)

Knoll Joining Stats-21/13/10/8/0/2/10(LvL 10, Flux, Nosferatu, Vulnerary)

Units Join in Bottom Left at the beginning of Turn 3

Objective: Defeat Enemy

Initial Enemy Placement:

Near Caellach(Upper Left Corner)-Two Mages, Three Fighters, Two Myrmidons, Three Mercenaries, One Brigand

Upper Right Corner-Two Mercenaries, One Berserker(Dragon Axe)

Near Valter(Lower Right Corner)-One Berserker(Devil Axe), One Shaman(Eclipse/Guiding Ring), Six Wyvern Riders

Left of Valter-Three Myrmidons, Two Cavaliers, Two Rangers, One Paladin(Silver Lance), Two Troubadours

Above Valter-Five Wyvern Riders

In the Desert-Four Mercenaries, Two Fighters, One Shaman(Luna)

Reinforcements Note: Turn 2 means reinforcement appears at the *end* of Turn 2, unless otherwise noted.

Initial Enemy Stats(Hp/Str/Skl/Spd/Luck/Def/Res):

Wyvern Riders(All LvL 13, 10 Con)

1-32/14/8/10/4/12/3(Steel Lance)

2-32/13/8/10/3/12/3(Steel Lance, Javelin)

3-32/14/9/10/3/11/2(Steel Lance)

4-32/14/8/10/5/10/3(Steel Lance, Javelin)

5-31/13/9/10/3/12/2(Steel Lance)

6-33/12/9/10/2/12/2(Steel Lance)

7-34/13/8/7/5/15/2(Steel Lance)

8-33/13/8/10/4/12/2(Steel Lance)

9-32/13/7/6/3/13/3(Steel Lance, Javelin)

10-34/14/7/6/4/14/3(Steel Lance, Javelin)

11-31/14/8/9/3/12/3(Steel Lance)

Average-32.4/13.4/8.1/8.9/4.5/12.3/2.5

Pegasus Knights(All LvL 13, 5 Con)

1-23/9/11/11/5/5/7(Turn 2 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance)

2-23/10/10/10/5/5/8(Turn 2 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

3-24/10/11/11/5/5/8(Turn 3 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance)

4-23/8/11/10/5/5/7(Turn 3 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

5-24/9/11/11/5/5/7(Turn 3 Above Jehanna Hall, Steel Lance)

6-24/10/11/11/5/5/7(Turn 3 In the Lake, Steel Lance)

7-23/9/11/12/6/5/7(Turn 4 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance)

8-25/9/11/10/5/5/7(Turn 4 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

9-25/9/12/12/5/4/8(Turn 4 Above Jehanna Hall, Steel Lance)

10-24/9/11/10/5/4/7(Turn 4 In the Lake, Steel Lance)

Average-23.8/9.2/11.0/10.8/5.1/4.8/7.3

Mercenaries(All 9 Con)

1-30/9/14/13/5/6/3(LvL 13, Iron Sword)

2-29/10/14/12/5/7/3(LvL 13, Iron Sword)

3-29/11/14/13/5/7/3(LvL 12, Iron Sword)

4-31/10/14/13/4/6/3(LvL 13, Iron Sword)

5-31/11/15/13/5/7/2(LvL 14, Iron Blade)

6-30/11/15/13/5/6/4(LvL 14, Iron Blade)

7-29/10/13/12/4/7/1(LvL 11, Iron Blade)

8-29/9/14/12/4/6/2(LvL 11, Iron Blade)

9-30/10/15/13/6/7/2(LvL 14, Iron Blade)

Average-29.8/10.1/13.8/12.7/5.0/6.6/2.6(LvL 12.8)

Myrmidons(All LvL 13, All 8 Con)

1-25/9/15/16/4/4/3(Iron Sword)

2-28/9/15/15/4/4/3(Iron Sword)

3-26/9/15/14/5/4/3(Steel Sword)

4-27/10/15/15/5/5/2(Steel Sword)

5-26/9/14/15/5/5/3(Steel Sword)

Average-26.4/9.2/14.8/15.0/4.6/4.4/2.8

Fighters(All 11 Con)

1-31/13/6/8/2/4/1(LvL 11, Iron Axe)

2-32/13/7/8/1/4/1(LvL 11, Hammer)

3-32/13/6/8/2/4/1(LvL 11, Iron Axe)

4-33/13/8/9/2/3/2(LvL 12, Iron Axe)

5-34/13/7/9/3/4/3(LvL 13, Iron Axe)

6-33/13/8/8/2/4/2(Turn 7 Lower Left Corner, LvL 13, Steel Axe)

7-32/14/7/8/3/4/2(Turn 7 Lower Left Corner, LvL 13, Steel Axe, Hand Axe)

Average-32.4/13.1/7.0/8.3/2.1/3.9/1.7(LvL 12.0)

Brigand(12 Con)-32/13/6/8/2/4/2(LvL 13, Steel Axe)

Mages(All 6 Con)

1-24/10/7/8/2/4/8(LvL 13, Thunder)

2-24/9/8/9/3/4/8(LvL 13, Thunder)

3-25/9/8/9/3/3/7(Turn 7 Lower Left Corner, LvL 13, Fire)

4-25/9/8/8/2/4/8(Turn 7 Lower Left Corner, LvL 14, Thunder, Elixir)

5-25/9/7/8/3/4/7(Turn 7 Lower Left Corner, LvL 13, Fire)

Average-24.6/9.2/7.6/8.4/2.6/3.8/7.6(LvL 13.2

Shamans(All LvL 13, 7 Con)

1-22/10/5/7/2/4/8(Luna)

2-24/10/6/6/2/3/9(Flux, Eclipse, Guiding Ring)

3-24/10/6/7/3/3/8(Turn 7 Upper Right Corner, Flux)

4-23/10/6/6/4/3/9(Turn 7 Upper Right Corner, Flux)

5-24/9/6/7/2/4/7(Turn 7 Left of the Lake, Flux)

6-22/9/6/7/4/3/8(Turn 8 Upper Right Corner, Flux)

7-22/10/5/6/2/3/8(Turn 8 Upper Right Corner, Flux)

8-22/11/6/6/3/3/9(Turn 8 Left of the Lake, Flux)

Average-22.9/9.9/5.8/6.5/2.8/3.3/8.3

Cavaliers(All LvL 14, 9 Con)

1-32/10/8/10/5/9/3(Steel Lance)

2-33/10/8/9/4/8/2(Steel Lance)

3-32/11/10/10/4/8/3(Turn 3 On Lower Southern Fort, Javelin, Steel Lance)

4-32/12/8/10/5/9/3(Turn 3 On Upper Southern Fort, Steel Lance)

5-31/10/9/10/5/8/2(Turn 4 On Lower Southern Fort, Javelin, Steel Lance)

6-33/11/8/9/5/8/2(Turn 4 On Upper Southern Fort, Steel Lance)

7-33/11/8/10/5/8/2(Turn 5 On Lower Southern Fort, Javelin, Steel Lance)

8-33/11/8/10/5/8/2(Turn 5 On Upper Southern Fort, Steel Lance)

9-31/11/7/9/5/8/2(Turn 7 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

10-33/10/9/10/4/9/2(Turn 7 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

Average-32.3/10.7/8.6/9.6/4.7/8.3/2.2

Troubadours(Both LvL 3, 5 Con)

1-17/2/2/6/2/2/7(Physic, Mend)

2-17/2/3/5/2/3/6(Sleep, Mend)

Average-17.0/2.0/2.5/5.5/2.0/2.5/6.5

Rangers(Both LvL 4, 9 Con)

1-36/13/14/16/6/9/6(Steel Sword, Steel Bow)

2-37/14/14/15/6/11/6(Steel Sword, Steel Bow)

Average-36.5/13.5/14.0/15.5/6.0/10.0/6.0

Berserkers(Both 13 Con)

1-46/19/16/14/4/8/3(LvL 5, Dragon Axe, Hand Axe)

2-42/21/14/13/3/8/3(LvL 6, Devil Axe)

Average-44.0/20.0/15.0/13.5/3.5/8.0/3.0(LvL 5.5)

Paladins(Both LvL 4, 11 Con)

1-41/14/12/10/7/10/8(Silver Lance)

2-39/13/11/11/7/10/8(Turn 7 Lower Left Corner, Steel Sword, Javelin)

Average-40.0/13.5/11.5/10.5/7.0/10.0/8.0

Bosses

Valter(11 Con)-47/20/18/18/4/14/12(LvL 13, Spear, Killer Lance, Fili Shield)

Caellach(13 Con)-49/20/15/13/15/16/13(LvL 12, Tomahawk, Silver Axe, Hoplon Guard)

Ruled By Madness(Eirika Route)

Average LvL: 20/2

Myrrh’s Joining Inventory: Dragonstone, Elixir, Vulnerary

Objective: Seize Throne

Chests

Lone Eastern Chest-Tomahawk

Lower Northern Chest-5000G

Middle Northern Chest-Knight Crest

Upper Northern Chest-Talisman

Initial Enemy Placement:

Northen Corridor: Two Warriors, Two Knights

Top Left Room: One Druid

Lower Pillars: One Druid, One Swordmaster, Four Shamans, One Knight

Eastern Corridor: Two Mercenaries, Three Fighters, Two Mages, Two Knights

Upper Pillars: Three Warriors

Throne Room: Three Heroes, Two Sages, Three Knights, Two Priests

Reinforcements Note: Turn 2 means reinforcement appears at the *end* of Turn 2, unless otherwise noted.

Initial Enemy Stats(Hp/Str/Skl/Spd/Luck/Def/Res):

Knights(All 13 Con)

1-30/12/6/3/4/14/3(LvL 13, Steel Lance, Javelin, Door Key)

2-32/13/7/3/4/14/2(LvL 14, Steel Lance)

3-31/13/7/2/5/14/3(LvL 14, Steel Lance)

4-31/13/6/3/4/14/3(LvL 14, Steel Lance)

5-30/12/7/3/4/13/2(LvL 14, Steel Lance)

6-31/11/7/2/4/14/4(LvL 14, Horseslayer)

7-29/12/7/2/4/13/3(LvL 14, Spear)

8-30/11/7/3/4/14/3(LvL 14, Killer Lance)

Average-30.5/12.1/6.8/2.6/4.0/13.8/2.9(LvL 13.9)

Cavaliers(All LvL 15, 9 Con)

1-35/11/9/11/6/8/2(Turn 5 Left of the Castle, Steel Lance)

2-33/10/9/10/6/9/3(Turn 5 Outside Castle Steps, Steel Lance)

3-34/11/9/10/6/8/4(Turn 5 Outside Castle Steps, Steel Sword)

4-33/12/8/10/5/9/3(Turn 5 Outside Castle Steps, Steel Lance)

Average-33.8/11.0/8.8/10.3/5.8/8.5/3.0

Shamans(All LvL 16, 7 Con)

1-25/11/6/8/4/5/9(Flux)

2-25/11/7/7/4/4/11(Luna)

3-26/12/7/8/3/3/9(Luna)

4-26/11/7/7/3/5/10(Flux)

Average-25.5/11.8/6.8/7.5/3.5/4.3/9.8

Fighters(All LvL 15, 11 Con)

1-37/15/10/9/2/4/2(Iron Axe)

2-35/15/9/9/3/4/3(Iron Axe)

3-36/15/8/9/3/5/2(Poison Axe)

Average-36.0/15.0/9.0/9.0/2.7/4.3/2.3

Mages(Both LvL 13, 6 Con)

1-26/10/9/8/4/4/8(Fire)

2-27/10/8/8/3/4/7(Thunder)

Average-26.5/10.0/8.5/8.0/3.5/4.0/7.5

Mercenaries(Both LvL 14, 9 Con)

1-30/11/16/14/4/7/3(Iron Sword)

2-31/11/14/13/4/7/3(Iron Sword)

Average-30.5/11.0/15.0/13.5/4.0/7.0/3.0

Priests(Both LvL 3, 5 Con)

1-22/3/3/4/3/1/9(Physic)

2-21/3/4/4/2/1/8(Physic, Vulnerary)

Average-21.5/3.0/3.5/4.0/2.5/1.0/8.5

Thieves(Both LvL 16, 6 Con)

1-25/5/9/16/6/3/4(Turn 5 Left of the Castle, Iron Sword, Lockpick)

2-25/3/10/17/7/3/3(Turn 11 Upper Pillars, Irons Sword, Lockpick)

Average-25.0/4.0/9.5/16.5/6.5/3.0/3.5

Great Knights(All 13 Con)

1-38/16/9/10/5/16/8(Turn 5 Lower Left Corner, LvL 3, Steel Sword)

2-39/14/7/11/4/16/9(Turn 5 Lower Left Corner, LvL 3, Steel Axe)

3-41/15/9/10/5/16/7(Turn 5 Lower Left Corner, LvL 4, Silver Lance, Elixir)

4-36/14/9/9/5/16/7(Turn 5 Lower Left Corner, LvL 3, Steel Axe)

5-40/14/8/9/3/17/8(Turn 5 Lower Left Corner, LvL 3, Steel Sword)

6-40/16/9/11/4/16/8(Turn Lower Left Corner, LvL 3, Steel Sword)

Average-39.0/14.8/8.5/10.0/4.3/16.2/7.8

Warriors(All 13 Con)

1-48/19/11/11/5/10/5(LvL 3, Silver Axe)

2-49/19/12/10/3/9/4(LvL 3, Silver Axe)

3-47/19/11/12/5/7/4(LvL 4, Steel Axe)

4-51/19/11/11/3/9/6(LvL 4, Steel Axe)

5-50/19/11/11/3/8/3(LvL 4, Hand Axe, Steel Axe)

Average-49.0/19.0/11.2/11.0/3.8/8.6/4.4(LvL 3.6)

Heroes(All LvL 5, 11 Con)

1-44/15/17/16/7/14/8(Silver Sword)

2-42/16/17/13/7/14/7(Silver Sword, Hero Crest)

3-44/13/19/16/7/13/7(Silver Axe)

Average-43.3/14.7/17.7/15.0/7.0/13.7/7.3

Sages(Both LvL 10, 7 Con)

1-33/20/13/11/5/8/19(Divine, Purge)

2-35/19/14/13/4/8/19(Elfire, Bolting, Red Gem)

Average-34.0/19.5/13.5/12.0/4.5/8.0/19.0

Druids(All 8 Con)

1-32/21/10/11/4/7/15(LvL 4, Luna, Chest Key)

2-33/23/12/12/7/7/15(LvL 8, Luna)

3-31/21/11/11/6/7/15(Turn 12 Upper Pillars, LvL 4, Luna)

4-30/20/11/11/6/7/15(Turn 13 Upper Pillars, LvL 4, Luna)

5-30/22/10/10/5/6/14(Turn 14 Upper Pillars, LvL 4, Luna)

Average-31.2/21.4/10.8/11.0/5.6/6.8/14.8(LvL 4.8)

Swordmaster(9 Con)-37/11/18/16/6/9/7(LvL 3, Steel Sword)

Orson(12 Con)-51/19/16/15/7/15/11(LvL 13, Spear, Silver Sword)

River of Regrets(Eirika Route)

Average LvL: 20/3-20/4

Objective: Defeat Boss(Lyon)

NPCs

Civilian 1(Male Child)-8/1/0/0/0/2/0(LvL 1, 4 Con)

Civilian 2(Female Child)-7/0/0/0/0/2/1(LvL 1, 3 Con)

Civilian 3(Male Adult)-10/0/1/0/0/2/2(LvL 1, 6 Con)

Civilian 4(Female Adult)-9/0/1/0/0/2/1(LvL 1, 4 Con)

Syrene-12/13/15/12/10/12(LvL 1, 7 Con, Silver Lance, Javelin)

Initial Enemy Placement:

West Banks of the Upper River: Two Fighters, Two Valkyries, Two Paladins, One Berserker

Top Left Peaks: Five Wyvern Riders, One Wyvern Lord

Southern Banks of the Lower River: Four Heroes

Near the Snag: Two Mages, One Sage

Near Lyon: Three Druids, One Swordmaster

Reinforcements Note: Turn 2 means reinforcement appears at the *end* of Turn 2, unless otherwise noted.

Initial Enemy Stats(Hp/Str/Skl/Spd/Luck/Def/Res):

Wyvern Riders(All 10 Con)

1-38/16/10/10/5/13/2(LvL 16, Slim Lance)

2-36/17/10/11/5/13/2(LvL 16, Slim Lance)

3-37/16/9/12/5/13/2(LvL 16, Slim Lance)

4-36/16/9/11/4/12/2(LvL 16, Javelin)

5-37/15/9/11/5/13/2(LvL 16, Steel Lance)

6-34/16/9/10/5/13/3(Turn 2 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

7-34/16/9/10/4/13/4(Turn 2 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

8-36/16/9/12/6/13/3(Turn 4 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

9-36/17/10/12/5/13/4(Turn 4 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

10-35/17/11/11/5/13/2(Turn 6 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

11-36/14/10/11/5/13/3(Turn 6 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

12-37/16/10/10/5/13/2(Turn 8 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

13-37/16/10/11/5/13/4(Turn 8 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

14-35/16/10/12/5/12/2(Turn 10 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

15-37/17/10/11/5/13/3(Turn 10 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Steel Lance)

Average-36.1/16.1/9.7/11.0/4.9/12.9/2.7(LvL 16.7)

Cavaliers(All LvL 16, 9 Con)

1-35/12/10/11/6/9/2(Turn 3 Upper Western Fort, Steel Lance)

2-35/11/8/11/5/10/4(Turn 3 Lower Western Fort, Steel Lance)

3-34/12/10/11/5/10/4(Turn 5 Upper Western Fort, Steel Lance)

4-34/11/11/10/6/8/4(Turn 5 Lower Western Fort, Steel Lance)

5-33/12/9/10/5/9/2(Turn 7 Upper Western Fort, Steel Lance)

6-36/11/10/10/6/8/3(Turn 7 Lower Western Fort, Steel Lance)

Average-34.5/11.5/9.7/10.5/5.5/9.0/3.2

Fighters(Both LvL 15, 11 Con)

1-36/14/8/9/3/6/3(Steel Axe)

2-36/16/8/10/3/5/2(Steel Axe)

Average-36.0/15.0/8.0/9.5/3.0/5.5/2.5

Mages(Both LvL 17, 6 Con)

1-29/13/11/10/4/3/8(Elfire, Guiding Ring)

2-26/12/10/10/5/4/8(Elfire)

Average-27.5/12.5/10.5/10.0/4.5/3.5/8.0

Heroes(All LvL 4, 11 Con)

1-40/14/16/15/6/12/7(Silver Sword)

2-41/14/16/14/6/13/6(Silver Sword)

3-40/14/16/16/6/14/6(Silver Axe)

4-40/15/17/15/6/14/6(Brave Axe)

Average-40.3/14.3/16.3/15.0/6.0/13.3/6.3

Druids(All LvL 3, 8 Con)

1-30/20/11/11/3/6/16(Nosferatu)

2-30/19/9/9/5/7/14(Luna)

3-31/19/10/11/5/7/14(Luna)

4-29/19/10/9/3/6/14(Turn 3 Near Lyon, Nosferatu)

5-31/20/12/9/4/6/15(Turn 3 Near Lyon, Flux)

6-29/18/10/10/5/6/16(Turn 3 Near Lyon, Luna)

7-30/20/11/9/5/6/14(Turn 5 Near Lyon, Nosferatu)

8-30/20/12/11/4/5/15(Turn 5 Near Lyon, Flux)

9-31/21/11/9/4/7/16(Turn 5 Near Lyon, Luna)

10-30/19/11/10/5/7/15(Turn 7 Near Lyon, Nosferatu)

11-30/19/11/9/6/6/15(Turn 7 Near Lyon, Flux)

12-30/21/10/10/7/7/15(Turn 7 Near Lyon, Luna)

Average-30.1/19.6/10.7/10.3/4.7/6.3/14.9

Warriors(All LvL 3, 13 Con)

1-47/20/12/10/5/9/4(Turn 14 Lower Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

2-49/19/11/11/3/9/3(Turn 14 Upper Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

3-51/20/12/11/4/9/4(Turn 15 Lower Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

4-48/19/12/10/5/9/5(Turn 15 Upper Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

5-48/19/10/10/4/10/4(Turn 16 Lower Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

6-50/20/11/10/4/9/5(Turn 16 Upper Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

7-50/20/11/10/4/10/4(Turn 17 Lower Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

8-49/21/11/10/3/10/4(Turn 17 Upper Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

9-48/20/11/11/3/9/5(Turn 18 Lower Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

10-48/20/10/10/4/8/5(Turn 18 Upper Eastern Fort, Silver Axe)

Average-48.8/19.8/11.1/10.3/3.9/9.2/4.3

Paladins(All LvL 4, 11 Con)

1-40/13/11/12/7/13/8(Silver Lance)

2-41/13/13/12/7/11/7(Silver Lance)

3-40/15/11/12/6/10/9(Turn 9 Upper Western Fort, Silver Sword)

4-42/14/12/12/7/11/7(Turn 11 Upper Western Fort, Silver Sword)

Average-40.8/13.8/11.8/12.0/6.8/11.3/7.8

Great Knights(Both LvL 4, 13 Con)

1-37/15/9/11/5/16/8(Turn 9 Lower Western Fort, Silver Axe)

2-38/15/9/10/4/17/8(Turn 9 Lower Western Fort, Silver Axe)

Average-37.5/15.0/9.0/10.5/4.5/16.5/8.0

Valkyries(Both LvL 4, 6 Con)

1-31/13/10/16/12/7/20(Lightning, Elixir)

2-30/15/10/17/10/7/19(Lightning)

Average-30.5/14.0/10.0/16.5/11.0/7.0/19.5

Wyvern Lord(11 Con)-43/18/13/12/4/15/5(LvL 3, Silver Lance)

Berserker(13 Con)-44/19/15/13/3/9/4(LvL 3, Silver Axe, Dragonshield)

Swordmaster(9 Con)-38/13/18/17/7/10/8(LvL 5, Killing Edge)

Sage(7 Con)-33/17/13/11/5/8/15(LvL 4, Fimbulvetr)

Lyon(7 Con)-45/24/14/12/4/17/21(LvL 14, Fenrir, Nosferatu)

Two Faces of Evil(Eirika Route)

Average LvL: 20/5-20/6

Objective: Defeat Enemy

Initial Enemy Placement:

Near Start: Five Eggs, One Gargoyle

Northern Flame Pass: Two Eggs

Northern Cliff: Seven Eggs, One Gorgon(Shadowshot), One Gargoyle, Two Mogalls

Top Right Corner: Three Eggs, Boss Gorgon

Center Flame Pass: One Egg, One Gorgon, One Mogall

Easternmost Flame Pass: Three Eggs, One Mogall

Bottom Right Corner: Three Eggs, One Gargoyle

Note: Eggs give out an automatic 50 Exp when killed. Exp formula does not apply to them.

Reinforcements Note: Turn 2 means reinforcement appears at the *end* of Turn 2, unless otherwise noted.

Initial Enemy Stats(Hp/Str/Skl/Spd/Luck/Def/Res):

Gorgons(Both 11 Con)

1-32/23/10/11/9/9/17(LvL 6, Demon Surge, Shadowshot)

2-32/23/13/11/8/7/18(LvL 5, Demon Surge, Stone)

Average-32.0/23.0/11.5/8.5/8.0/17.5(LvL 5.5)

Demon Surge Stats:

11 Mt/80 Hit/10 Wt/0 Crit/1-2 Rng

Stone Stats:

0 Mt/65 Hit/8 Wt/1-3 Rng(Stone Effect)

Shadowshot Stats:

13 Mt/70 Hit/20 Wt/5 Crit/3-10 Rng

Gargoyles(All 8 Con)

1-36/15/11/14/3/11/2(LvL 17, Axereaver)

2-34/15/11/12/3/11/3(LvL 17, Steel Lance)

3-36/15/10/13/3/11/4(LvL 16, Toxin Lance, Javelin)

4-34/16/10/14/2/12/3(Turn 4 Upper Left Corner, LvL 17, Heavy Spear)

5-34/15/9/14/1/12/3(Turn 6 Upper Right Corner, LvL 17, Horseslayer)

Average-34.8/15.2/10.2/13.4/2.4/11.4/3.0(LvL 16.8)

Toxin Lance Stats:

4 Mt/65 Hit/8 Wt/0 Crit/1 Rng(Poison Effect)

Baels(All LvL 16, 12 Con)

1-41/16/10/8/3/8/4(Turn 4 Upper Right Corner, Sharp Claw)

2-42/15/9/8/3/10/4(Turn 4 Upper Right Corner, Sharp Claw)

3-39/15/8/7/3/9/4(Turn 4 Bottom Right Corner, Sharp Claw)

4-41/15/8/7/3/10/4(Turn 4 Bottom Right Corner, Sharp Claw)

5-39/15/9/7/4/9/4(Turn 6 Upper Middle Flat, Sharp Claw)

6-42/16/9/7/3/9/4(Turn 6 Upper Middle Flat, Poison Claw)

7-41/15/9/6/2/9/4(Turn 6 Upper Middle Flat, Sharp Claw)

8-42/15/8/7/3/10/4(Turn 6 Easternmost Flame Passage, Sharp Claw)

9-42/16/9/7/3/9/3(Turn 6 Easternmost Flame Passage, Poison Claw)

Average-41.0/15.3/8.8/7.1/3.0/9.2/3.9

Sharp Claw Stats:

14 Mt/65 Hit/14 Wt/0 Crit/1 Rng

Poison Claw Stats:

6 Mt/65 Hit/<12 Wt/0 Crit/1 Rng

Mogalls(All LvL 16, 4 Con)

1-25/10/7/9/6/3/9(Evil Eye)

2-26/10/6/8/6/4/9(Evil Eye)

3-25/11/7/7/5/5/9(Evil Eye)

Average-25.3/10.3/6.7/8.0/5.7/4.0/9.0

Evil Eye Stats:

7 Mt/85 Hit/6 Wt/0 Crit/1-2 Rng

Last Hope(Eirika Route)

Average LvL: 20/7

Objective: Survive 13 Turns

Chests

Western Upper Left-Runesword

Western Upper Right-Fenrir

Western Lower Middle-Speedwing

Eastern Upper-Fortify

Eastern Middle-5000G

Eastern Lower-Bolting

NPCs

Knight 1-20/7/3/1/1/10/1(LvL 5, Iron Lance, Vulnerary)

Knight 2-20/7/3/0/1/10/0(LvL 5, Iron Lance, Vulnerary)

Knight 3-20/7/3/0/2/10/1(LvL 5, Iron Lance, Vulnerary)

Knight 4-20/7/3/0/1/11/1(LvL 5, Iron Lance)

Knight 5-21/6/4/0/1/10/0(LvL 5, Iron Lance, Vulnerary)

Knight 6-20/6/3/1/2/10/1(LvL 5, Iron Lance)

Knight 7-19/6/3/1/1/9/0(LvL 4, Iron Lance, Vulnerary)

Knight 8-20/6/3/0/1/10/0(LvL 4, Iron Lance, Vulnerary)

General-35/14/8/4/4/18/8(LvL 1, Silver Axe, Silver Blade)

Mansel-21/11/3/2/17/5/8(LvL 17, 8 Con)

Notes: Not all initial enemies visible due to FoW. 6 NPCs including Mansel and General must survive to obtain Light Brand at end of Chapter. Mansel must survive. Chapter ends prematurely if Riev is killed. W General/Warrior Reinforcements alternate and begin after Turn 8 with Generals. N and S reinforcements stop after Turn 9.

After this Chapter, you obtain Latona, Ivaldi and 10000G from Mansel.

Initial Enemy Placement:

Southwest Corridor: Two Mercenaries, Two Druids, Two Generals, Two Swordmasters, One Hero

Northern Corridor: Two Knights, Two Myrmidons, Two Archers, Two Warriors, Two Heroes, Two Snipers

Eastern Room: Two Fighters, One Druid

Reinforcements Note: Turn 2 means reinforcement appears at the *end* of Turn 2, unless otherwise noted. Due to FoW, enemies will simply be noted as “N/S/E reinforcement.”

Initial Enemy Stats(Hp/Str/Skl/Spd/Luck/Def/Res):

Mercenaries(Both LvL 18, 9 Con)

1-35/12/16/15/6/9/4(Steel Sword)

2-35/13/16/15/6/8/4(Steel Sword)

Average-35.0/12.5/16.0/15.0/6.0/8.5/4.0

Knights(Both LvL 18, 13 Con)

1-35/14/9/4/6/16/5(Steel Lance)

2-35/14/8/3/5/15/4(Steel Lance)

Average-35.0/14.0/8.5/3.5/5.5/15.5/4.5

Myrmidons(Both LvL 18, 8 Con)

1-32/11/18/17/6/6/3(Steel Sword)

2-31/11/17/17/6/4/4(Steel Sword)

Average-31.5/11.0/17.5/17.0/6.0/5.0/3.5

Archers(Both LvL 17, 7 Con)

1-33/10/11/9/8/5/3(Steel Bow)

2-33/11/11/9/8/7/3(Steel Bow, Goddess Icon)

Average-33.0/10.5/11.0/9.0/8.0/6.0/3.0

Fighters(Both LvL 17, 11 Con)

1-38/15/9/9/3/5/3(Iron Axe, Hand Axe)

2-39/15/9/9/3/5/3(Iron Axe)

Average-38.5/15.0/9.0/9.0/3.0/5.0/3.0

Thieves(All LvL 18, 6 Con)

1-29/4/11/18/9/3/5(S Reinforcement, Poison Sword, Lockpick)

2-25/4/11/19/9/3/4(W Reinforcement, Poison Sword, Lockpick)

3-26/4/11/18/9/4/4(W Reinforcement, Poison Sword, Lockpick)

Average-26.7/4.0/11.0/18.7/9.0/3.3/4.3

Druids(All 8 Con)

1-31/21/11/10/4/7/14(LvL 5, Luna)

2-31/20/11/11/6/8/15(LvL 5, Luna)

3-33/21/10/10/6/7/18(LvL 6, Nosferatu)

Average-31.7/20.7/10.7/10.3/5.3/7.7/15.7(LvL 5.7)

Generals(All 15 Con)

1-41/16/10/5/3/19/9(LvL 4, Brave Lance)

2-40/16/10/7/6/19/10(LvL 5, Steel Lance)

3-42/15/10/7/5/19/11(W Reinforcement, LvL 6, Silver Lance)

4-41/15/9/6/6/20/10(W Reinforcement, LvL 6, Silver Lance)

5-41/17/10/6/6/19/11(W Reinforcement, LvL 6, Silver Lance)

6-42/15/10/6/7/20/10(W Reinforcement, LvL 6, Silver Lance)

Average-41.2/15.7/9.8/6.2/5.5/19.3/10.2(LvL 5.5)

Swordmasters(All LvL 4, 9 Con)

1-39/11/19/18/6/8/8(Steel Sword)

2-36/12/17/17/6/9/9(Steel Sword)

3-38/12/19/17/6/8/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

4-37/12/19/17/6/9/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

5-39/12/19/17/6/8/6(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

6-39/13/20/17/8/10/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

7-36/12/19/18/6/8/7(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

8-40/12/18/20/6/9/7(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

9-37/12/19/18/7/9/7(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

10-37/13/18/18/6/8/7(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

11-38/12/18/18/6/9/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

12-36/13/19/17/4/8/9(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

13-36/12/19/18/8/10/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

14-38/13/20/18/6/9/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

15-37/12/20/17/7/9/7(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

Average-37.5/12.2/18.9/17.7/6.3/9.2/7.7

Great Knights(All LvL 6, 13 Con)

1-42/17/10/10/5/16/9(S Reinforcement, Silver Axe, Silver Lance)

2-42/15/10/11/5/17/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Axe, Silver Lance)

3-42/17/9/10/6/16/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Axe, Silver Lance)

4-41/19/10/11/5/16/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Axe, Silver Lance)

5-41/16/9/10/5/17/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Axe, Silver Lance)

6-38/16/9/10/6/17/10(S Reinforcement, Silver Axe, Silver Lance)

7-38/15/9/10/5/17/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Axe, Silver Lance)

Average-40.6/16.4/9.4/10.3/5.3/16.6/8.4

Heroes(All LvL 5, 11 Con)

1-44/13/18/15/6/14/7(Brave Sword)

2-40/16/17/16/5/14/7(Steel Blade)

3-40/13/18/14/7/14/6(Steel Blade)

4-41/14/17/16/6/14/8(N Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

5-43/15/17/16/7/15/7(N Reinforcement, Silver Axe)

6-42/13/17/15/6/13/7(N Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

7-41/14/16/16/7/13/8(N Reinforcement, Silver Axe)

8-43/14/17/14/6/13/8(N Reinforcement, Silver Sword)

9-40/14/17/16/7/13/8(N Reinforcement, Silver Axe)

Average-41.6/14.0/17.1/15.3/6.3/13.7/7.3

Warriors(13 Con)

1-49/18/12/13/4/9/3(LvL 5, Steel Axe, Hand Axe)

2-48/21/11/11/2/10/3(LvL 5, Steel Axe, Steel Bow)

3-49/19/11/11/5/8/4(S Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

4-51/20/11/11/5/9/4(S Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

5-52/20/12/10/4/10/4(N Reinforcement, LvL 6, Silver Axe)

6-51/20/11/11/5/9/4(S Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

7-49/20/13/11/4/9/4(N Reinforcement, LvL 6, Silver Axe)

8-50/20/12/11/5/9/4(S Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

9-49/21/13/11/4/10/5(S Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

10-52/20/12/11/3/9/4(S Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

11-53/20/11/10/5/9/5(N Reinforcement, LvL 6, Silver Axe)

12-49/18/10/10/6/8/6(S Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

13-50/21/12/11/5/8/5(S Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

14-48/20/10/11/4/10/4(W Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

15-48/20/13/11/3/9/6(W Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe, Hand Axe)

16-50/20/12/11/5/9/4(W Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe)

17-51/20/11/11/5/10/6(W Reinforcement, LvL 5, Silver Axe, Hand Axe)

Average-49.9/19.9/11.6/10.9/4.4/9.1/4.4(LvL 5.2)

Snipers(All LvL 5, 8 Con)

1-37/16/15/11/9/10/7(Brave Bow)

2-39/16/14/11/7/8/6(Silver Bow)

3-39/15/14/11/8/8/7(N Reinforcement, Silver Bow)

4-36/14/15/10/8/10/7(N Reinforcement, Silver Bow)

5-37/16/13/11/7/9/8(N Reinforcement, Silver Bow)

Average-37.6/15.4/14.2/10.8/7.8/9.0/7.0

Mage Knights(All LvL 5, 8 Con)

1-32/14/10/15/8/6/16(S Reinforcement, Elfire)

2-32/16/10/18/8/8/18(S Reinforcement, Elfire)

3-33/14/11/15/9/7/14(S Reinforcement, Elfire)

4-32/15/12/16/8/9/15(S Reinforcement, Elfire)

5-33/15/12/17/7/9/16(S Reinforcement, Elfire)

6-33/15/11/16/8/8/16(S Reinforcement, Elfire)

7-32/13/11/16/8/7/14(S Reinforcement, Elfire)

Average-32.4/14.6/11.0/16.1/8.0/7.7/15.6

Rangers(All LvL 5, 9 Con)

1-36/14/14/16/6/10/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword, Silver Bow)

2-37/14/14/16/7/10/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword, Silver Bow)

3-36/15/13/17/7/9/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword, Silver Bow)

4-37/15/15/18/7/10/7(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword, Silver Bow)

5-37/14/14/18/7/10/7(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword, Silver Bow)

6-37/13/14/17/6/10/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword, Silver Bow)

7-38/13/15/16/6/11/7(S Reinforcement, Silver Sword, Silver Bow)

Average-36.9/14.0/14.1/16.9/6.6/10.0/7.0

Paladins(All LvL 6, 11 Con)

1-44/14/13/12/8/12/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Lance)

2-45/14/12/11/7/12/9(S Reinforcement, Silver Lance)

3-42/15/13/11/6/10/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Lance)

4-43/14/13/13/7/12/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Lance)

5-44/14/14/13/8/12/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Lance)

6-43/13/13/13/7/11/9(S Reinforcement, Silver Lance)

7-43/13/13/12/7/10/8(S Reinforcement, Silver Lance)

Average-43.4/13.9/13.0/12.1/7.1/11.3/8.3

Riev(7 Con)-51/15/22/20/11/16/19(LvL 16, Aura)

Darkling Woods(Eirika Route)

Average LvL: 20/9

Objective: Seize gate

Initial Enemy Placement:

Initial Enemy Placement:

Eastern Quarter: One Gorgon, Two Sniper Wights, Three Melee Wights

Southern Quarter: One Arch Mogall, Four Gargoyles, Four Melee Wights

Southwest Corner: One Gorgon, One Sniper Wight, Two Melee Wights

Western Quarter: One Cyclops, Seven Melee Wights, Riev, Two Mogalls

Western Edge: Two Arch Mogalls

Northwest Corner: One Arch Mogall, One Gorgon, Three Sniper Wights, Six Maelduins

Northern Quarter: Two Cyclopses, Four Maelduins

Reinforcements Note: Turn 2 means reinforcement appears at the *end* of Turn 2, unless otherwise noted.

Initial Enemy Stats(Hp/Str/Skl/Spd/Luck/Def/Res):

Gargoyles(All LvL 15, 8 Con)

1-34/15/10/13/3/11/4(Javelin, Antitoxin)

2-32/13/9/11/3/10/4(Steel Lance)

3-32/15/9/12/3/10/3(Steel Lance)

4-32/13/8/12/2/10/3(Toxin Lance)

5-33/13/9/13/1/11/2(Turn 4 Upper Right Corner, Javelin, Steel Lance)

6-32/13/8/13/2/10/3(Turn 4 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

7-33/14/9/12/2/10/3(Turn 4 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance)

8-33/15/10/12/3/11/3(Turn 5 Upper Right Corner, Javelin, Steel Lance)

9-34/14/8/11/2/11/2(Turn 5 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

10-34/13/10/12/3/10/3(Turn 5 Upper Right Corner, Steel Lance)

Average-32.9/13.8/9.0/12.1/2.4/10.4/3.0

Mogalls(All 4 Con)

1-22/9/6/8/6/3/8(LvL 14, Evil Eye)

2-24/11/6/7/5/3/8(LvL 14, Evil Eye)

3-25/10/6/8/5/3/11(Turn 12 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

4-24/11/7/7/5/4/9(Turn 12 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

5-25/9/7/7/6/3/9(Turn 12 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

6-24/10/7/8/6/4/8(Turn 13 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

7-24/10/6/7/6/4/9(Turn 13 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

8-23/11/6/7/6/4/10(Turn 13 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

9-23/11/6/7/6/5/9(Turn 16 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

10-23/9/7/8/5/4/10(Turn 16 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

11-24/11/7/7/5/3/9(Turn 16 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

12-24/9/6/8/5/5/9(Turn 19 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

13-23/10/7/7/6/3/9(Turn 19 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

14-25/11/7/9/5/3/9(Turn 19 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

15-23/10/8/7/5/4/9(Turn 22 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

16-24/10/6/8/5/3/9(Turn 22 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

17-26/11/8/9/5/5/9(Turn 22 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

18-23/11/7/6/5/4/8(Turn 25 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

19-26/11/8/7/5/4/9(Turn 25 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

20-24/10/7/7/6/3/9(Turn 25 Near Morva, LvL 15, Evil Eye)

Melee Wights(All LvL 3, 9 Con)

1-39/14/11/11/3/8/6(Lancereaver)

2-38/14/11/12/1/10/8(Steel Blade)

3-37/13/11/12/3/9/7(Spear)

4-39/14/12/11/2/9/8(Armorslayer)

5-35/14/10/10/2/9/8(Axereaver)

6-35/14/12/11/2/8/7(Steel Lance)

7-36/14/10/11/3/9/8(Killing Edge)

8-39/14/11/12/2/8/7(Axereaver)

9-38/13/11/11/2/9/8(Steel Blade)

10-36/14/10/10/2/9/8(Javelin)

11-38/13/11/10/2/10/8(Steel Sword)

12-35/13/11/11/2/8/7(Lancereaver)

13-35/12/11/11/3/9/8(Steel Lance)

14-39/15/13/12/3/9/7(Steel Sword)

15-37/14/10/12/2/8/7(Steel Lance)

16-35/13/10/12/3/8/9(Steel Lance)

Maelduins(All 12 Con)

1-43/16/11/12/2/13/8(LvL 4, Swordslayer)

2-43/14/12/11/3/11/7(LvL 4, Short Bow, Elixir)

3-45/16/14/12/3/13/9(LvL 4, Halberd)

4-46/14/11/12/3/13/8(LvL 4, Steel Axe)

5-46/14/12/11/3/13/7(LvL 4, Steel Axe)

6-45/17/12/11/2/13/8(LvL 4, Poison Axe, Vulnerary)

7-43/16/11/13/1/12/9(LvL 4, Steel Axe)

8-45/14/12/12/3/13/8(LvL 4, Swordslayer)

9-45/15/13/12/4/12/9(LvL 4, Steel Axe)

10-43/15/12/12/3/12/8(LvL 4, Steel Axe)

11-47/16/12/11/2/13/9(Turn 15 Western Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe)

12-46/15/11/12/5/14/8(Turn 15 Western Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Bow)

13-47/17/12/11/3/13/8(Turn 15 Western Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe, Hand Axe)

14-44/15/12/12/2/12/9(Turn 17 Western Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe)

15-46/16/12/13/3/13/8(Turn 17 Western Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Bow)

16-46/15/13/11/4/12/9(Turn 17 Western Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe, Hand Axe)

17-47/15/12/12/4/14/7(Turn 19 Western Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe)

18-45/16/14/11/3/13/9(Turn 19 Western Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Bow)

19-44/16/11/12/4/14/9(Turn 19 Western Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe, Hand Axe)

Cyclopses(All 16 Con)

1-65/16/15/13/4/19/7(LvL 6, Tomahawk, Elixir)

2-64/16/14/13/3/19/5(LvL 4, Steel Axe, Antitoxin)

3-64/15/15/13/4/19/7(LvL 4, Halberd)

4-68/17/14/12/2/21/8(Turn 3 Northern Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe)

5-64/16/15/14/3/19/7(Turn 3 Northern Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe)

6-66/17/13/12/3/20/7(Turn 4 Northern Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe)

7-67/16/14/13/2/19/7(Turn 4 Northern Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe)

8-65/17/15/12/4/20/7(Turn 5 Northern Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe)

9-67/17/14/13/3/18/6(Turn 5 Northern Quarter, LvL 5, Steel Axe)

Deathgoyles(All LvL 3, 11 Con)

1-41/17/12/13/2/15/5(Turn 6 Upper Left Corner, Axereaver)

2-43/19/12/12/2/14/6(Turn 6 Upper Left Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

3-42/18/12/14/3/14/5(Turn 6 Upper Left Corner, Steel Lance)

4-43/18/13/14/3/14/4(Turn 8 Upper Left Corner, Axereaver)

5-43/18/14/13/3/15/5(Turn 8 Upper Left Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

6-41/17/12/14/3/13/6(Turn 8 Upper Left Corner, Steel Lance)

7-41/17/12/14/2/14/6(Turn 10 Upper Left Corner, Axereaver)

8-42/19/13/14/2/15/5(Turn 10 Upper Left Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

9-40/18/12/13/2/14/5(Turn 10 Upper Left Corner, Steel Lance)

10-43/18/13/15/3/15/6(Turn 12 Upper Left Corner, Axereaver)

11-41/18/12/15/2/14/6(Turn 12 Upper Left Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

12-40/19/12/15/4/12/6(Turn 12 Upper Left Corner, Steel Lance)

13-41/18/12/14/2/13/5(Turn 16 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

14-43/18/12/13/2/13/5(Turn 16 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

15-40/18/12/15/2/13/7(Turn 16 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

16-42/16/13/15/2/13/5(Turn 16 Map Center, Steel Lance)

17-40/18/13/14/2/14/6(Turn 16 Map Center, Steel Lance)

18-40/19/11/16/2/15/5(Turn 16 Map Center, Steel Lance, Javelin)

19-41/17/12/15/2/12/5(Turn 18 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

20-40/17/13/14/1/13/4(Turn 18 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

21-43/18/13/14/3/13/5(Turn 18 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

22-44/18/12/15/2/14/5(Turn 18 Map Center, Steel Lance)

23-39/18/11/15/2/15/5(Turn 18 Map Center, Steel Lance)

24-42/18/14/14/3/13/5(Turn 18 Map Center, Steel Lance, Javelin)

25-43/18/12/15/3/15/6(Turn 20 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

26-42/18/13/13/2/14/6(Turn 20 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

27-41/17/12/15/2/14/5(Turn 20 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

28-44/18/12/14/2/12/6(Turn 20 Map Center, Steel Lance)

29-41/18/13/15/3/15/5(Turn 20 Map Center, Steel Lance)

30-42/18/13/16/3/14/5(Turn 20 Map Center, Steel Lance, Javelin)

31-42/15/12/15/3/14/5(Turn 22 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

32-44/18/13/15/3/15/5(Turn 22 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance)

33-43/19/12/14/3/13/5(Turn 22 Lower Left Corner, Steel Lance, Javelin)

Elder Baels(All LvL 5, 15 Con)

1-58/21/11/11/4/13/8(Turn 19 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

2-58/21/11/9/3/15/10(Turn 19 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

3-59/20/12/11/2/14/7(Turn 19 Western Quarter, Lethal Talon)

4-58/21/11/10/3/14/9(Turn 19 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

5-59/20/11/10/3/15/9(Turn 21 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

6-59/20/13/11/3/14/9(Turn 21 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

7-60/19/12/11/3/14/9(Turn 21 Western Quarter, Lethal Talon)

8-58/21/11/12/2/15/9(Turn 21 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

9-58/19/11/10/2/15/8(Turn 23 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

10-59/20/12/11/2/15/8(Turn 23 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

11-56/21/11/11/3/14/9(Turn 23 Western Quarter, Lethal Talon)

12-58/19/12/11/3/15/9(Turn 23 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

13-61/20/12/11/5/14/9(Turn 25 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

14-59/20/12/11/4/16/9(Turn 25 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

15-57/21/12/10/3/14/8(Turn 25 Western Quarter, Lethal Talon)

16-56/20/11/10/2/15/7(Turn 25 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

17-59/22/12/11/3/14/9(Turn 27 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

18-59/19/12/11/4/14/9(Turn 27 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

19-61/21/12/9/2/14/8(Turn 27 Western Quarter, Lethal Talon)

20-58/20/11/10/3/15/8(Turn 27 Western Quarter, Sharp Claw)

Lethal Talon Stats: 10 Mt/60 Hit/0 Crit/<15 Wt/1 Rng

Gwyllgis(All LvL 5, 8 Con)

1-40/14/22/23/7/10/8(Turn 19 Western Quarter, Hellfang)

2-38/14/21/23/7/9/7(Turn 19 Upper Left Corner, Hellfang)

3-40/13/22/22/6/9/8(Turn 19 Lower Left Corner, Hellfang)

4-38/15/21/20/7/10/8(Turn 21 Western Quarter, Hellfang)

5-38/14/21/22/6/9/8(Turn 21 Upper Left Corner, Hellfang)

6-37/14/21/22/7/8/7(Turn 21 Lower Left Corner, Hellfang)

7-39/14/21/21/7/9/8(Turn 23 Western Quarter, Hellfang)

8-37/14/20/22/7/9/8(Turn 23 Upper Left Corner, Hellfang)

9-37/13/21/19/7/8/8(Turn 23 Lower Left Corner, Hellfang)

10-38/14/22/20/6/9/8(Turn 25 Western Quarter, Hellfang)

11-37/14/21/23/7/9/8(Turn 25 Upper Left Corner, Hellfang)

12-37/13/20/22/6/9/7(Turn 25 Lower Left Corner, Hellfang)

13-39/13/20/22/7/9/8(Turn 27 Western Quarter, Hellfang)

14-39/13/21/22/6/9/8(Turn 27 Upper Left Corner, Hellfang)

15-38/13/21/22/7/10/8(Turn 27 Lower Left Corner, Hellfang)

Hellfang Stats: 13 Mt/80 Hit/0 Crit/<8 Wt/1 Rng

Sniper Wights(All LvL 3, 8 Con)

1-36/14/13/9/2/9/8(Longbow)

2-38/13/13/10/3/8/8(Steel Bow)

3-39/14/14/10/3/8/7(Steel Bow)

4-38/14/13/11/2/8/8(Longbow)

5-36/13/13/9/2/10/8(Steel Bow)

6-38/13/12/10/3/8/5(Steel Bow)

Arch Mogalls(All LvL 5, 5 Con)

1-30/21/12/10/6/6/14(Shadowshot, Crimson Eye)

2-30/22/11/10/4/5/14(Shadowshot, Crimson Eye)

3-29/21/11/9/6/5/15(Shadowshot, Crimson Eye)

4-29/20/12/10/6/6/15(Shadowshot, Crimson Eye)

Crimson Eye Stats: 14 Mt/70 Hit/13 Wt/5 Crit/1-2 Rng

Gorgons(All 11 Con)

1-32/26/12/11/9/8/20(LvL 7, Stone, Demon Surge)

2-31/25/12/11/7/8/19(LvL 7, Stone, Demon Surge)

3-32/27/10/11/7/8/20(LvL 6, Stone, Demon Surge)

Riev(7 Con)-52/15/22/20/11/17/20(LvL 17, Aura)

Morva(25 Con)-66/27/21/14/8/24/19(LvL 18, Wretched Air)

Wretched Air Stats: 10 Mt/100 Hit/<25 Wt/0 Crit/1-2 Rng/Effect(Ignores Def/Res)

Gives these stat Bonuses(already factored into his stats): +10 Str/+10 Skl/+20 Def/+10 Res

Lategame is monster flooded? DOES NOT COMPUTE

Chapter 18, 19, 20 are all monsters.

um no

try 20 and Endgame 1

Edited October 17, 2009 by Athena's Chest

[Junkhead]

You sure taks this too seriously <_< . The topic should be done by now and you bring this up...Eltoshen said chapter Chapters 18-20 were monster flooded, but he just made a mistake on Ch19 where there are no monsters, and you just flame him with that copy/pasta I doubt anyone would read, recomendation: Do a summary, like a normal person ;) .

But chapter 18, 20 and Final chapter ARE flooded with monsters -_-.

Let's see your precious Sage!Moulder onerounding an Elder Bael or Cyclops, no wait, a Gwyllgi.

[dondon151]

:life card:

OK.

[Junkhead]

I never said that <_< .

[Mikethfc]

If you're terrible at stocking up like me do sage so she has fire and light I've learnt that from doing lagdou with no swords

[Rewjeo]

I personally like Mage Knight more, but that's probably just cause I think she's ugly as a sage =P Although I do tend to use cavalry units in this game so the 1 extra move is pretty useful.

[Dat Nick]

But chapter 18, 20 and Final chapter ARE flooded with monsters -_-.

Yeah, and C18 ones are schmucks Sage ORKOs anyway.

Let's see your precious Sage!Moulder onerounding an Elder Bael or Cyclops, no wait, a Gwyllgi.

I conceded Bishop>Sage, but it has nothing at all to do with Late/Endgame Since his only wins there are trivial. It has to do with earlymid chapters like 11/12 [it depends on the route] And this further supports what I said. The second somebody takes the same side as you in an argument, you just post "Listen to the man he knows his shit!" no matter how inaccurate, false, or incorrect the actual argument is. Say you were to support Est in an argument for whatever stupid reason. All I would have to do is bullshit a giant paragraph about how Est can be good with all the stat boosters in the game and an early seal and you'd be approving it.

Edited October 17, 2009 by Athena's Chest

[Loki Laufeyson]

I go Sage with Lute. I had her as a Mage Knight before and she got destroyed. Odd...

Is it me, or does she have better speed as a Sage?

[Junkhead]

I go Sage with Lute. I had her as a Mage Knight before and she got destroyed. Odd...

Is it me, or does she have better speed as a Sage?

She does, but slightly, Sage has +4 Skill cap, +5 Mag cap, +1 Spd(Just 2 more Avo than MK), -2 Def and -3 Res.

Sage just takes advantage of her high Mag growth, MK gives her more Con so she doesn't get to slowed down by the tomes she uses :/

[Shadow Mir]

I tend to make her a Mage Knight. Lute has Con issues as a sage, and I personally support her with Kyle and Vanessa, who she'd struggle to keep up with as a sage (Unless I make Kyle a Great Knight, but I dislike Great Knights.)

[dondon151]

I never said that <_< .

You sure taks this too seriously <_< .

Do a summary, like a normal person ;) .