Anouleth Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Actually, I think GFAQs is pretty good at bitching about personal experience and favouritism. The only difference is there are more people bitching over here, and they do it better and back it up with evidence. Soren fanboys are in no shortage anywhere. I even see them on 4-chan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutritter Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 This isn't rocket science. Micaiah has an armor/horseslaying weapon that targets the lower defensive stat, an automatic A support, gets staves in second tier, Sacrifice for emergency, and is forced in a clunky team for 75% of the game. Soren is noteworthy in no way among a relatively strong team, especially since he's second tier yet almost never doubles unless Adept is triggered - it's very easy for him to get shut out of the team after the few maps he's no longer forced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Divine Swordmaster Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 What? Soren doubles a lot for me. And if you add the skill that allows two consecutive attacks, I've seen Soren TRIPLE enemies. I have no clue what you are talking about. Sure you don't. Because you're either: - Playing on easy mode - Favoring Soren - Getting lucky, which falls into personal experience, which I already chewed you out on As for Adept, that'd be better off in other hands. Its shame he has the skill growth for it, but not the caps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krad Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Its shame he has the skill growth for it, but not the caps... Adept uses (Speed)% in RD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Divine Swordmaster Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Its shame he has the skill growth for it, but not the caps... Adept uses (Speed)% in RD. I really did not know that Mages really suck in this game anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caricature of Intamacy Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Here's my opinion. Only played 6-11 btw. Sniper: FE10 Shinon Wyvern Lord: Miledy Hero: Gerik, Dieck veeery close though Sage: Lute Thief: FE10 Sothe General: Wendy :D Priest: Lucius Valkyrie: Priscilla Warrior: Barth Beserker: Gonzales Nomad: Shin Peg knight: Tana~ Paladin: Percival Swordmaster: Joshua Manakete: Fa Shaman: Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 The reason that those units are rated poorly is not because they don't end up good, or at least, some of them do, but it's because, at least in HM, getting them there is very difficult and not worth it. For example, EM Edward is amazing because EXP is so abundant that his great growths kick in very quickly and he becomes one of your best units almost immediately and doesn't have problems with being very underleveled.. However, in HM, he has much more trouble with enemies to start with and then gets much less EXP for it, meaning that he's very poor for all of part 1 and 3, and then come part 4, he's horribly underleveled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) Wendy? lolno Barth? Can't be a warrior and Bartre is lol. I'd actually say Geitz or Wade is the best. There is no best Shaman, although most would agree its Canas. Swordmaster? How could you not think at ALL that Rutgar > Joshua? EDIT: That and Edward has lolWind affinity so even if he'd give somebody HEAD for a support, they wouldn't want him. That and he has terrible bases and really, bases > growths 95% of the time. Don't believe me? Look at characters like Pent, Echidna, Dieck, Harken, Percival, Dagda, Seth, Duessel, Titania, Volug, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Monty Python and the Holy Grail's Black Knight... And then look at characters like Nino, Sofiya, Est, Miranda, Ziess, Edward, Corpul, etc. Edited January 27, 2010 by Merlinus the Jew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Wendy? lolno Barth? Can't be a warrior and Bartre is lol. I'd actually say Geitz or Wade is the best. There is no best Shaman, although most would agree its Canas. Swordmaster? How could you not think at ALL that Rutgar > Joshua? Wade... best fighter? lolno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Blargh typo. Meant Lott. Although then again he only played the GBA games. I'm aware the best Warrior is probably Dagda but he's only played FE6-11, so... Ah fuck I forgot FE9 Boyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 EDIT: That and Edward has lolWind affinity so even if he'd give somebody HEAD for a support, they wouldn't want him. Edward Iron Sword, Vulnerary Light Sword D Wrath, Critical +5, Shove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 OH wow I feel retarded now. Confusing Sothe's affinity with Edward's affinity is one step below calling Lillina awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) Barth? Can't be a warrior and Bartre is lol. I'd actually say Geitz or Wade is the best. Boyd is obviously better. I think he's the only warrior ever to get into Top Tier. Oh, you realised your omission. Sorry! Edited January 27, 2010 by Anouleth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Which is why you either A: were playing on easy mode B: gave Soren large amounts of favoritism or C: got really lucky because Soren starts slower than most enemies, and has around the same speed growth as generic enemies. Also, Soren loses Adept because aside from Mist,Rhys, and Rolf, he's the worst person on the team to give it to. Probably easy mode then, because I'm definitely not a Soren fan, and I really only seem to get lucky with characters I like. ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) That and he has terrible bases and really, bases > growths 95% of the time. Don't believe me? Look at characters like Pent, Echidna, Dieck, Harken, Percival, Dagda, Seth, Duessel, Titania, Volug, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Monty Python and the Holy Grail's Black Knight... And then look at characters like Nino, Sofiya, Est, Miranda, Ziess, Edward, Corpul, etc. Um, how do you think Gandalf got from Gray to White? He grew. A lot. And since Gandalf the Grey is probably already extremely high leveled Gandalf doesn't get to "level up" very often. So it's probably analogous to him getting one level and suddenly becoming Gandalf the White. Seems like he has pretty awesome growths to me. (well, there may be a couple of flaws in that statement, but whatever) Edited January 28, 2010 by Narga_Rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Gandalf the White is pretty amazing for Restore; without him you can't recruit Theoden. Granted, he'll die anyway later on, but he's still useful nonetheless for his Silver Sword. Not to mention Gandalf's incredibly high MAG and SPD bases, coupled with Udin and his amazing promotion bonuses, he can solo The Black Gates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Um, how do you think Gandalf got from Gray to White? He grew. A lot. And since Gandalf the Grey is probably already extremely high leveled Gandalf doesn't get to "level up" very often. So it's probably analogous to him getting one level and suddenly becoming Gandalf the White. Seems like he has pretty awesome growths to me. (well, there may be a couple of flaws in that statement, but whatever) I think of it more as a class change. Gandalf Grey Pilgrim (M) -> White Wizard (M) +4HP +1STR +3MAG +2SKL +1SPD +0LUK +1DEF +3RES +3MOV Light Magic gets +60 WEXP, Swords and Staffs get +30WEXP each. Counts as a mounted unit from now on. And Gandalf is over 3000 years old. Even with Jeigan-style growths, you'd expect him to have good stats by this point, especially when Wizards probably have awesome bases to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 You guys are seriously underestimating his use. Yes, he dies by Moria, but then he comes back in full force with tons of helpful shit to do; recruits many people, even BEFORE he dies, helps WTFRAPE at Helm's Deep with Eomer, can solo Minas Tirith, and without his help at the Black Gates, that chapter would be 10x harder. Hell, the only character better than him is Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 ... Wtf @ the Gandalf part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 You guys are seriously underestimating his use. Yes, he dies by Moria, but then he comes back in full force with tons of helpful shit to do; recruits many people, even BEFORE he dies, helps WTFRAPE at Helm's Deep with Eomer, can solo Minas Tirith, and without his help at the Black Gates, that chapter would be 10x harder. Hell, the only character better than him is Sam. After all, you're going to have a nightmare of a time against that giant spider without him. Heck, he practically solos the entire Mordor arc of the story and can afford to give all his healing items to Frodo to keep him alive for the final battle against Gollum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Problem is you need to raise Sam's sword rank drastically from E in time to use Sting. Also, he's tanky, yeah, but look at that Speed...he's gonna be doubled, a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 By lategame, Sam's pretty much OHKOing everything since Sting is so absurdly powerful (12mt, effective against damn near everything in the game, infinite uses). And Orcs have awful speed anyway, so Sam's only getting doubled by a handful of bosses. And he gets like +5DEF from his Frodo support anyway (which he's pretty much guaranteed to get). It's not like Frodo wants to support anyone else (lolBilbo, lolFaramir). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) GUYS. GUYS. GUYS. Somebody hack this masterpiece. And Bilbo is lulz anyway and only available in Trial Maps. ROFL 7 base DEF for a promoted Hobbit Rogue. And he's 20/18 with a 25% growth so yeah he'll take hits like a bitch. And Faramir has Wind which doesn't really help Frodo except maybe the AVO bonus. But then again, Faramir is usually stuck to 2-range since his bow rank is THAT valuable. Can't Frodo also support Aragorn's Earth affinity? THAT is insanely useful for a Hobbit since their DEF is usually so low. In fact, I think there is a Tier List somewhere that even includes Trial Characters. NEEDLESS TO SAY WHO IS AT THE TOP. But if you are THAT dense: WTF Tier: Gimli Top Tier: Tom Bombadil Sauron Gandalf High Tier: Isildur Sam Glorfindel Aragorn Gamling Mid Tier: Theoden Mouth of Sauron Eomer Faramir Treebeard Frodo Hama Boromir Grimbold Legolas Witch King Haldir Erkenbrand Eowyn Low Tier: Pippin Merry Saruman Arwen Elrond Shelob Celeborn Bottom Tier: Gollum Wormtongue Bilbo Tier: Bilbo I think that is everyone. Edited January 30, 2010 by Merlinus the Jew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) I'm just gonna post a few because the list is WAAAY too long for me to type it out. Paladin - Aless Hero - Lex!Skasaha Swordmaster - Shanan Master Knight - Leaf Sage - Yuria (nARGA yOU'VE rUINED eVERYTHING yET aGAIN) Dark Mage - Canas General - FE9 Brom Sniper - Brigid or FE10 Shinon Mage Knight - Levin!Arthur Valkyrie - FE4Inflation!Ethlin Pegasus Knight - Florina Wyvern Knight - Altenna or Haar Bishop/High Priest - Claude Bow Knight/Nomad - FE4Inflation!Midir!Lester Lord - Sigurd The amount of these that are from FE4 is absurd. Edited January 31, 2010 by CamCam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) GUYS. GUYS. GUYS. Somebody hack this masterpiece. And Bilbo is lulz anyway and only available in Trial Maps. ROFL 7 base DEF for a promoted Hobbit Rogue. And he's 20/18 with a 25% growth so yeah he'll take hits like a bitch. And Faramir has Wind which doesn't really help Frodo except maybe the AVO bonus. But then again, Faramir is usually stuck to 2-range since his bow rank is THAT valuable. Can't Frodo also support Aragorn's Earth affinity? THAT is insanely useful for a Hobbit since their DEF is usually so low. In fact, I think there is a Tier List somewhere that even includes Trial Characters. NEEDLESS TO SAY WHO IS AT THE TOP. But if you are THAT dense: WTF Tier: Gimli Top Tier: Tom Bombadil Sauron Gandalf High Tier: Isildur Sam Glorfindel Aragorn Gamling Mid Tier: Theoden Mouth of Sauron Eomer Faramir Treebeard Frodo Hama Boromir Grimbold Legolas Witch King Haldir Erkenbrand Eowyn Low Tier: Pippin Merry Saruman Arwen Elrond Shelob Celeborn Bottom Tier: Gollum Wormtongue Bilbo Tier: Bilbo I think that is everyone. But what about the Scouring of the Shire? Granted it's only like level five Brigands and Archers, but if you have a weak Pippin or Merry it'll be hell to get through to Sharkey before all your hobbit NPCs die. Merry needs to be able to finish off the Lich King as well. Glorfindel has good bases, considering he's a 20/16, but he ain't going anywhere after that. Going B route (movie route) in Rohan to get the elves at Helm's Deep, anyone tried for a LegolasXHaldir support? Granted if you go the book route it's pretty much useless. To go the movie route you need to get at least 5 characters promoted. Anyway, I'd argue Hama should go Low Tier at highest, he'll be constantly doubled, only has B Spears at 15/0, and has bad growths except for Strength and Luck. Edited January 31, 2010 by The Ferret Whisperer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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