GreatEclipse Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Not to mention CATS is badly underestimating him as a combat unit. LV --/6 Pent Thunder: 26 ATK, 17 AS, 15 Critical | 33 HP, 11 DEF, 16 RES, 48 AVO LV 20/2 Kent (A Sain) Steel Sword: 26 ATK, 17 AS, 15 Critical | 39 HP, 13 DEF, 8 RES, 47 AVO Negligible, and this is not accounting for his A in Staffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CATS Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Not to mention CATS is badly underestimating him as a combat unit. Underestimating? I've said nothing about his combat abilities except that I don't think he's clearly optimal deployment. Are you implying that he has top-tier combat? I notice that your comparison to Kent mentions Pent's staff rank, but conveniently does not mention Kent's own arsenal (you have him using a steel sword 6 chapters after killer becomes buyable, and there is no mention of his ability to get +1 Def/+15 Avo against a very large portion of the enemies). No 2-range. Enough said. How big of an issue is that when you have so many that do have 2 range? If there's a group of ranged enemies, you have many that can handle them already, and are not required to send Guy in against them. Now, if he had no positives in exchange for this I would agree, but I don't think that's the case. Guy is one of your best attackers against the tougher enemies like NTs, valks, whatever, most of the promoted enemies; he's helping you to kill those with fewer units involved and move past them sooner. I also wouldn't consider Erk optimal, as Pent is statistically superior to him across the board in addition to A staves. 20/3 Erk looks to be about equal to Pent. Pent has a fractional win in Def, while Erk has 1-2 Hp and like 3 Avo or something. Erk wins in Spd by 0.5 and loses in Atk by 2-3 points. I guess that's an overall advantage for Pent, but not a significant one. Meanwhile, Erk is superior across the board in growths (cept Def, oddly) and has a lower level. 20/7 Erk vs --/10 Pent loses in Atk by 2 and Def by 1, but wins in Spd by 1, Hp by 2, Avo by 4. Erk's Priscilla support and higher tome rank also gives him a lead in Crit; relevant against enemies that they can't ORKO already (which pretty much means promoted enemies). A unit that can use high level staffs is optimal on all late game chapters, and during this time Pent is the best unit out of everyone that can use them. The only exception would be if you give Lucius the LHM stat boosters, but I still find a second or even third Barrier and Physic user far more useful at this point than a 12th or 13th attacker. Any particular reason why? I guess 1 or 2 extra squares of Warp range over Priscilla is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share Posted April 1, 2010 Due to unforeseen circumcisions, some appropriate modifications have been applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frat_tastic Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Why is Priscilla only one tier above everyone else? Surely there should be an empty tier between her and the lowly peons below her. She may contract their eeew-ness by being so close to them on the tier list. Up please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share Posted April 1, 2010 Why is Priscilla only one tier above everyone else? Surely there should be an empty tier between her and the lowly peons below her. She may contract their eeew-ness by being so close to them on the tier list. Up please. Best suggestion I've heard all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Arena down a shitload. I don't care where it goes but it has to be below Lyn at the very least. Arena doesn't save you turns. You waste turns getting Exp there. Is ~50 (~38 for a kill and 11-12 for healing) Exp going to save you any turns in the long run? Pretty sure it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Arena down a shitload. I don't care where it goes but it has to be below Lyn at the very least. Arena doesn't save you turns. You waste turns getting Exp there. Is ~50 (~38 for a kill and 11-12 for healing) Exp going to save you any turns in the long run? Pretty sure it won't. With Ninils, it's (38+12)x2 exp (obviously the exp on Ninils is worthless). Would Sand be penalised for making Living Legend really really annoying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I completely agree with Serra's position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Sorry, what happened to make Priscilla go way over, Serra go all the way to bottom, and Lowen down to lower middle? Probably other changes, but those were the most noticeable. Erk and Guy went down to middle too. I agree with Arena way down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 (edited) What date is it today? Arena being tiered should have been your first clue. Edited April 1, 2010 by s Portsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 What date is it today? Arena being tiered should have been your first clue. April Fools is only before 12, and the modification was made after. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CATS Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Why isn't the secret shop merchant on there? She's clearly a unit and I demand that you tier her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 April Fools is only before 12 Not everybody lives in your timezone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Not everybody lives in your timezone. True; but anyone in North America doing it would make it past 12. If it was somewhere else, whatever. I thought it would be obvious I was trying to cover up for forgetting. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 (edited) Throne for Top Tier. Oh, so close to still being on 1st April. Well, there's always next year! Edited April 1, 2010 by Anouleth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I suggest Tyrant in that missing tier list. Tyrant tier belonging to the one and only. *COLONEL_MARCUS* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frat_tastic Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 And have an unclean heathen be that close to Priscilla? Never. Priscilla is at least two tiers better than everyone else that could possibly be tiered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I am only unclean under certain conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 scr00b. Serra is easily top tier due to being 20/1 by Dragon's Gate. Priscilla can't even dream of being that high by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 My Priscilla is always much higher level than Serra due to reaching much more allies with her healing. Also she's cute. Like young boys. One time I played through the game with only cute people and S-ranked. This game is so easy, lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Village (all) between Merlinus and Armory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frat_tastic Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Priscilla can be 20/1 if you rare candy spam her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I also think Lyn should go back below Karla. At least Karla is only being 100% fail in every conceivable way for a few chapters, Lyn sucks forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardan Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 My Priscilla is always much higher level than Serra due to reaching much more allies with her healing. ur doing it wrong scr00b lmao. Reikken showed with proper user of LM, Priscilla will never catch up until liek some late game chapter no one cares about lol. And besides that, Serra has got uber hax offensive growths so she's beating Priscilla in combat for liek... forever lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I will now use the word 'loldiers'. This is funny because soldiers are so bad they make me laugh, or, as some net-savvy individuals might say, 'lol'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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