CrashGordon94 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 What I mean by this is what promotions do you personally think bring the best and worst improvements to the base class. Feel free to state any and as many as you like... with one exception: You probably don't need to mention FE4's Prince(ss) -> Master Knight, it's really obvious and would just get repeated tons. Any other "obvious" ones are fine though. Without further ado... Best: Myrmidon -> Swordmaster. In most of the playthroughs I've done so far, my Myrms don't seem to be exactly great before promotion. Maybe it's just the games that I've gotten through so far but they tend to be weak, fragile and not even exceedingly quick (their Speed is pretty good on its own but it's not THAT huge and they're easily excumbered by rather a lot of the weapons, particularly the ones that would help to combat their weaker ATK so their AS isn't always super duper hot). Yet, promotion seems to change all that, after a Master Seal or getting to Level 21 they get a lot better, their Speed actually gets good enough that it has a noticable effect, their Strength gets to a passable level AND there's often that delicious critical bonus too! Also, it might just be that the Myrms I used were growth units that took that long to kick in but either way, they actually start "doing their thing" more after promotion than everything else. You could probably say similar things about Archer -> Sniper but I tend to avoid Archers so Iunno. Worst: Fighter -> Warrior. Fighters are my favorite unpromoted class in FE! I'm actually not very fond of Warriors though. The main thing is that they don't really change significantly (mainly just being "the same but slightly better") and I've never found a significant use for E Bows when Hand Axes and their "evolutions" work perfectly fine for 2 range. They seem to work well as a good promoted class choice for Hunters in FE11 but they seem to have little to offer as a choice for Fighters themselves. That said, I don't hate the Warrior class and I'm happy when I get my Fighter to promote nonetheless but when other options are available for my Axe-guys, I tend to pick those instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Best: Prince (not -ss) -> Master Knight, because Leaf. AHEM For real: FE4!Pegasus -> Falcoknight. Why? Staves on a flier. HOORAY Honorable mention to FE9!Cav -> Paladin (bow cavalry! all of them!), Junior Lord -> Lord Knight, and FE2!Sniper -> Bow Knight (5range uguuuuuu). EDIT: And an extra special mention to FE11: Male Class B (anything) -> Berzerker/Warrior, because that means shit just got real. Worst: Archer -> Sniper. The only thing they gain is a snazzy sprite. This doesn't mean I don't like Archers (I do) or I don't like Snipers (I do) or I don't like the Archer -> Sniper path (except in fe8 [rangers], I do). All it means is that the gains are sorta lackluster. Edited December 15, 2011 by Integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Best : FE5 Mage/Bard/Sister -> Sage Expect to see +4-6 in Magic, Skill and Speed, +3-4 in Defense and really nice weapon level ups. FE5 Mountain Thief -> Warrior is really great too with promotion bonuses nearly as good and the ability to use bows. Worst : FE5 Lord -> Prince +1 Strength, Magic, Skill, Speed and Defense. only 8D Edited December 15, 2011 by Dio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Best : FE5 Mage/Bard/Sister -> Sage Expect to see +4-6 in Magic, Skill and Speed, +3-4 in Defense and really nice weapon level ups. Actually, shit, I forgot how amazing promoting Asvel was. Beh, I already have like four honorable mentions already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Myrm->SM is good in FE6. +30 crit mang. +15 is alright, but it isn't as useful as FE6's 30. FE12 is also pretty good, though I like to cap out speed as cav, promote to Paladin, then reclass back to Swordmaster for a nice 27 speed on a level 1 SM with the additional +10 avo bonus which is actually pretty good in FE12 because fuck dodging otherwise in that game. I will agree with Integ on Peg-> Falco in FE4 though because flying staffer is amazing. Worst: Gonna agree with Lord->Prince (FE5). Not even a horse mang, Leaf, why Also Archer->Sniper is amazing in DS. GBA it's a bit meh and I'd rather just go with the prepromote Snipers, but it's more of the archer bases are too shit for me to train up. Edit: oh hey Dio's post reminded me Also yeah Sage bonuses are amazing Edited December 15, 2011 by Luminescent Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Actually, shit, I forgot how amazing promoting Asvel was. Beh, I already have like four honorable mentions already. Man, the Akaneia Archer -> Sniper path was amazing, if only because Archers sucked dicks and Snipers are pretty god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Oh oh also FE6 Berserker bonuses 30 crit 5 skill that they desperately need because fuck FE6 hitrates Yeaaaaah. Edited December 15, 2011 by Luminescent Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Fe6 Fighter to Warrior. +8 HP and +3 DEF!!! FE4 Sage bonuses Knight-General for the move And for the worst Archer-Sniper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Best: Archer -> Sniper Take an unusable scrub and finally make them...less useless. Worst: Myrmidon -> Swordmaster Take an unusable scrub and...add 15 crit? How does that help? In some games they don't even gain the crit, and they're still locked to swords! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Best: My lack of ideas is leading me to default to Priest/Cleric > Bishop, since promoted healers are no longer a liability on enemy phase. Worst: Fighter > Warrior. (GBA) Take an unusable scrub, and... *looks at promotion bonuses* How the hell's THAT supposed to help?? Tch. Cavalier > Great Knight. Axes don't make up for the loss of move, and FE8 being easy doesn't help its case. Edited December 15, 2011 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ϲharlie Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Best : FE5 Mage/Bard/Sister -> Sage Expect to see +4-6 in Magic, Skill and Speed, +3-4 in Defense and really nice weapon level ups. FE5 Mountain Thief -> Warrior is really great too with promotion bonuses nearly as good and the ability to use bows. Worst : FE5 Lord -> Prince +1 Strength, Magic, Skill, Speed and Defense. only 8D I agree with this, but I'd like to add FE3 Hunter --> Horseman to the list of worst. Normally I'm ecstatic when something gains a horse, but the promotion gains are so underwhelming. +3 move and +2 to skill and defense, and that's all. What's worse is they lose those small gains indoors. Worst: Fighter > Warrior. (GBA) Take an unusable scrub, and... *looks at promotion bonuses* How the hell's THAT supposed to help?? Tch. Warrior promotion gains are actually pretty good in FE6. I don't know what IS were thinking when they removed the speed bonus in FE7/8. Edited December 15, 2011 by Gustave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Any flying unit I've always been fond of flying units and when they promote into an Alicorn Knight or Not-an-actual-dragon-but-it-kind-of-still-is Lord it's awesome. GBA Fighters to Warrior No SPD bonus makes me go ;/ Edited December 15, 2011 by Ein Silver Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Leaf's Prince to Masterknight is pretty manly. He gets a horse, pursuit and A ranks in almost everything. Those caps are pretty good too. The FE5 Cleric to High Priest is pretty lame. The stat gains aren't very good and Light Magic's about as rare as Sophia promoting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toothache Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 FE6: 8 HP/3 Str/3 Skl/2 Spd/3 Def/2 Res/2 Con, +1 Axe rank(+50 Wexp)/E Bows FE7/8: 3 HP/1 Str/2 Skl/3 Def/3 Res/2 Con, +40 Axe Wexp/E Bows Don't lump all GBA promotions together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Warrior promotion gains are actually pretty good in FE6. I don't know what IS were thinking when they removed the speed bonus in FE7/8. FE6: 8 HP/3 Str/3 Skl/2 Spd/3 Def/2 Res/2 Con, +1 Axe rank(+50 Wexp)/E Bows FE7/8: 3 HP/1 Str/2 Skl/3 Def/3 Res/2 Con, +40 Axe Wexp/E Bows Don't lump all GBA promotions together. Even so, it says a lot about how bad FE6's fighters were when even with supposedly amazing promotion gains, they STILL fail to impress... Tsk tsk. Edited December 15, 2011 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whase Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 best: mage -> sage; gaining staves is awesome worst: Ephraim lord-> Ephraim on a horse; he starts out being the unit with the most epic animation in the game, but when he promotes... I usually like 1st tier units more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashGordon94 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 Even so, it says a lot about how bad FE6's fighters were when even with amazing promotion gains, they STILL fail to impress... Tsk tsk. ...Which isn't what this thread is about, it's about the promotions themselves. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I agree with this, but I'd like to add FE3 Hunter --> Horseman to the list of worst. Normally I'm ecstatic when something gains a horse, but the promotion gains are so underwhelming. +3 move and +2 to skill and defense, and that's all. What's worse is they lose those small gains indoors. I was borderline on adding that one actually. The horse can even be a liability in a few maps such as the desert chapters. To be fair, Hunters and Horsemen were unrelated in FE1, and IMO should've stayed that way. I don't see how true Hunters like Warren can relate to Wolf or Zagaro who are supposed to be knights serving a liege. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Pretty much anything that gains a horse upon promotion, especially FE8 Mage -> Mage Knight. Horse + Staves? Yum. Stat bonuses aren't too shabby either for FE 7-8 bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Best: Thief Fighter -> Dancer. Actual best: Mountain Thief -> Warrior. If you can get Marty there, he becomes surprisingly good. Indoors, that is. Honourable mentions to FE3 Archer->Sniper, anything that gains a horse. Worst: Pegasus Knight -> Wyvern Knight. Because oh god, what did they do to that pegasus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Best: Thief Fighter -> Dancer. So it's better to grind Lara to 10, waste a Master Seal on her, and then get to 12x instead of Thief -> Dancer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) FE2 Sniper-> Bow Knight gives the outrageously awesome 1-5 range and 8 move combination that makes them amazing, and it's compounded further by the amazing "speed to 40 and +5 move" Quick Ring. FE5 Lord->Prince is rather terrible. Edited December 15, 2011 by Dave Strider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 If I'm aloud to do so: Prince -> Master Knight was awesome, Leaf is awesome. Ironically, Lord -> Prince was pretty :/ for me. Archer -> Sniper is another awesome thing for me, especially in FE3, Partia rape, FTW! Don't really have another bad promotion off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordsalmon Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Best: Prince/Princess - Master Knight, due to the huge stat boosts, gains Pursuit, and has access to virtually everything. Worst: Cavalier - Paladin is pretty unimpressive, because Cavaliers are already excellent as-is. Promotion to Paladin doesn't give too much of a benefit. Lord - Prince in FE5 is easily the worst, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Best: General -> Marshall, because they make the Weapon Triangle their slave. Worst: Light Sage -> Light Priestess, because it occurs way too late for my liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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