Ike-Mike Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Well yeah, but you see those other people in your army represented as various NPCs, both in cutscenes and in game. What I mean is that whoever your deployed units in any chapter are, that's it, everyone else is either a NPC or there's a justification why they're absent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdok Dracul Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Well yeah, but you see those other people in your army represented as various NPCs, both in cutscenes and in game. What I mean is that whoever your deployed units in any chapter are, that's it, everyone else is either a NPC or there's a justification why they're absent. In Defending Talrega in FE9, Ike mentions Jill not having to be a part of the 'vanguard'. I guess this means that Ike chooses a select few units to come along with him as the primary, leading force, while the rest of the army is occupied elsewhere. Similar to the River Crossing bit of FE10, when Ike's team sneaks behind the lines while the main army wages war. So yeah, it's obvious that all the units you can see in a given chapter are all the units that are actually taking part in that particular battle, but they're hardly your entire army. However, I get the feeling this is the case in other FE games as well, not just the Tellius ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 In Defending Talrega in FE9, Ike mentions Jill not having to be a part of the 'vanguard'. I guess this means that Ike chooses a select few units to come along with him as the primary, leading force, while the rest of the army is occupied elsewhere. Similar to the River Crossing bit of FE10, when Ike's team sneaks behind the lines while the main army wages war. So yeah, it's obvious that all the units you can see in a given chapter are all the units that are actually taking part in that particular battle, but they're hardly your entire army. However, I get the feeling this is the case in other FE games as well, not just the Tellius ones. I think Big Boss' point was that in earlier FEs, units were taken to represent parts of your army, rather than being individuals. So while you technically have say, twenty units in FE4, those units represent a larger army of hundreds or thousands. This use of synecdoche corresponds with Advance Wars, where one "Tank" explicitly represents a squadron of five tanks and one "Mech" represents a squad of ten soldiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I don't know if that's entirely true; isn't it explicitly stated that Sigurd, Noish, Alec, and Arden are the only people left to defend Chalphy from Verdane because everyone else is fighting Isaac? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I don't know if that's entirely true; isn't it explicitly stated that Sigurd, Noish, Alec, and Arden are the only people left to defend Chalphy from Verdane because everyone else is fighting Isaac? No, that's never explicitly stated: and it simply makes no sense, either. How can four people hold an entire castle on their own? In fact, there is evidence to the contrary: "Midayle: My lady, the castle's completely surrounded! We've failed you miserably! Adean: Midayle, it's alright. Everyone gave their best. You needn't worry about me anymore. Please save yourself. I want as many of you to get out of this alive as possible! Midayle: None of us are going anywhere, my lady. We're here for you till the very end. Even if it means our lives." It definitely makes no sense for one knight to be garrisoning an entire castle. Certainly, there's a difference between this, where a unit could be argued to be representative of a group of soldiers, and such units make up your entire army, and FE9 and FE10 (possibly FE7 where you don't really have an "army") where your army is just the "vanguard" or an elite unit and there are many other soldiers fighting offscreen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I always thought FE7 was the first one to have your units represent one person each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I love the amount of strategy and thinking you have to do in the whole FE series. I love the story, I love the characters. The only thing I dislike about the Fire Emblem games is the lack of difficult bosses, except for FE4 and PoR's Black Knight, there aren't too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I tried to play FE4. I didn't care much for the characters, the story or the awkwardly translated dialouge. Awkwardly as in it seemed to have all the problems that you would see in literal japanese to english translations. The translations are not bad by any means but they never felt natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) I dunno, if the FE OVA and some FE4 conversations are an indication, the units in FE are supposed to be the most important people in a much bigger army.Only with Tellius did they decide that your units are in fact your entire army. Ya, I read the conversations. I also played the game. The battles take place on the world map, and thus it doesn't feel like there's much of an army beyond your units. Or, Sigurd always leaves all his soldiers huddled in the castle, while Ike leaves them huddled outside the enemy castles :D The translations are not bad by any means but they never felt natural. I agree, but I still really loved some of the oddest moments. Levin: Well, talk is cheap. If you really feel so bad, why don't you pack up and leave? Sigurd: Alright then. Look, I'll go consult with my people. Edited November 19, 2012 by Mouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtSmilies Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Legault is the best character in any Fire Emblem game. I actually like Ephraim as a character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) I liked the dialouge style (purple prose) of FE11. Though describing it as purple prose might be a bit harsh since I think the game was better with it. But I'm not sure what the general opinion of it is. Edited November 19, 2012 by Ranger Jack Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I tried to play FE4. I didn't care much for the characters, the story or the awkwardly translated dialouge. Awkwardly as in it seemed to have all the problems that you would see in literal japanese to english translations. The translations are not bad by any means but they never felt natural. the obvious solution is to not play with the translation patch on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 the obvious solution is to not play with the translation patch on Yeah because we all can summon our inner weaboo and read Japanese flawlessly. >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 the obvious solution is to not play with the translation patch on In that case, I would be playing a game in a language that I don't understand and thus depriving me of the story completely. Even the worst translation/dub is better than a language you don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 then learn japanese (in all seriousness i cared more about gameplay than story so it was no real hindrance to me before and it's even less now that i can kind of read it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 then learn japanese (in all seriousness i cared more about gameplay than story so it was no real hindrance to me before and it's even less now that i can kind of read it) How special you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike-Mike Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Yeah because we all can summon our inner weaboo and read Japanese flawlessly. >_> The stat screens and battle commands are essentially the same in every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 You guys should go make a thread about why people should learn Japanese instead of discussing it here. (read: no more japanese talk in this thread, please.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) I played FE8 in Japanese. It was pretty fun. Translations are great though. Thanks to all of them, official and not. If CT075's statement is special, then that is a real shame, that a FE game does not have good enough gameplay to be played on that merit alone for most of us. Edited November 21, 2012 by Mouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komeiji Koishi Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Due to some reason I don't know, the translation patches for FE3-5 didn't work, so I have to play in Japanese. Does it affect me? No, not really although it does annoy me that I don't know who leveled up in what or which option I use to dismount my dudes. Edited November 21, 2012 by Spiriter Kalas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthylunch Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The first fire emblem game I ever owned was FE9, I still have the file from my first ever run of the game. Everybody (and I mean Everybody) is dead, save for Ike and Elincia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Now that's a confession to be proud of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The first fire emblem game I ever owned was FE9, I still have the file from my first ever run of the game. Everybody (and I mean Everybody) is dead, save for Ike and Elincia. Did you beat the game on that file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthylunch Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) Did you beat the game on that file? Just, naturally I jeiganed horribly. Though my Titania was slain by Naesela (I didn't realise you needed to talk to him to make him retreat ) And after her death, in the following missions, pretty much all of my other units died. Fortunatley my Ike was only mildly underleveled and by sacrificing all my other units, I managed to carry him to chapter 26, whereupon with Ragnell in hand I managed to rape my way through most of the easy mode enemy scrubs. Upon reaching the final chapter despite having to let Tibarn go I managed to kill Ashnard and win the mad kings war. Edited November 22, 2012 by healthylunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AthenaWyrm Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I got Ike killed by a rock in Radiant Dawn ez modo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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