The "Deep Web"

[Junkhead]

Hello.

I was wondering if some of you have heard about this...the Deep Web. Basically, it says that basic search engines like Google and Yahoo only show 5% of what the whole Internet is. The 95% of it is covered, as if it were some kind of conspiracy. The truth behind that, though, is that there happens to be alot of confidential information and databases as well as outright grotesque things in there...

What's worrying me though, it's the grotesque things I heard from that place. The "dark side" of the Internet. It is said that alot of illegal things go on there, alot of illegal and just out right inhumane things can be found. I've heard that there is a whole blackmarket going on where they sell human organs illegally as well as drugs, weapons and hire for assassins. But that's just the beggining. What really bothering is the kind of images that can be found- There are videos of people being slaughtered and treated as pieces of meat, as well as child prostitution, live suicides, among other horrible things.

I just can't not be disturbed at how low the human race could have gotten...I am utterly disturbed to the point I can't get some of these things out of my head. I can't believe the level of outright malice could go this far for their simple entertainment.

[bottlegnomes]

Look at it this way, we could go back to letting soldiers rape and pillage as a way to get them to join the army. But yeah, it's pretty fucked up from what I hear.

[Strunk]

If you looked hard enough, you could probably find all of that and more on Google.

But yeah, the human race is pretty screwed up. A significant portion of it, anyway.

All we can do is try to be better people and hope that there are more good people than bad.

[Junkhead]

It's in these situations where you realize how powerless you are to change others' fate in some other place in the world...the terrible fate of many people.

[AthenaWyrm]

I read the topic title as "The Deep Weeb".

In all honesty though, I would say not to think about it too much, or else you might start feeling responsible for being unable to help people even if you know about their predicaments.

Edited December 15, 2012 by AthenaWyrm

[Lord Raven]

Here's a pretty good and somewhat soothing article. Goes over the horrors of the deep web but he ends it on an extremely light note.

[shadowofchaos]

I read the topic title as "The Deep Weeb".

I actually have to admit... I did the same thing.

I'd rather keep away from thinking about it. It'll go on no matter what I do. I might as well not worry myself about it because what is thinking about it going to do if there isn't even any way to REACH, let alone do something about it on my end?

That's what the authorities are there for, is the way I'm thinking about this, no matter how selfish that may sound. >_>;

[MacLovin]

Well, I have heard of things like this going on in the Southern Philippines.

Which I'll never visit.

But yeah, it's saddening but what can we do?

It may even be running in suburban U.S.A in some places.

[Original Alear]

Well, I have heard of things like this going on in the Southern Philippines.

Which I'll never visit.

But yeah, it's saddening but what can we do?

It may even be running in suburban U.S.A in some places.

Snow Crash!

But since it basically just sounds like organized crime on the web (from the article), it's hard for me to think of this as a particularly new thing...?

[Vorena]

I was wondering if some of you have heard about this...the Deep Web. Basically, it says that basic search engines like Google and Yahoo only show 5% of what the whole Internet is. The 95% of it is covered, as if it were some kind of conspiracy. The truth behind that, though, is that there happens to be alot of confidential information and databases as well as outright grotesque things in there...

What's worrying me though, it's the grotesque things I heard from that place. The "dark side" of the Internet. It is said that alot of illegal things go on there, alot of illegal and just out right inhumane things can be found. I've heard that there is a whole blackmarket going on where they sell human organs illegally as well as drugs, weapons and hire for assassins. But that's just the beggining. What really bothering is the kind of images that can be found- There are videos of people being slaughtered and treated as pieces of meat, as well as child prostitution, live suicides, among other horrible things.

I just can't not be disturbed at how low the human race could have gotten...I am utterly disturbed to the point I can't get some of these things out of my head. I can't believe the level of outright malice could go this far for their simple entertainment.

I am not certain how Google and Yahoo go about collecting information. I thought the company sent out a sort of spider which would visit pages marking down the address and other relevant information of a page such as keywords. Then, using a sophisticated algorithm and logic they match your search with the web pages they have documented. However, I believe due to their own standards they will refuse to show or even document certain things. Whether its only 5% they actually show I think is a bit of a lie. The world is rarely that one sided to anything.

But, in regards to human acts, it has been this way for generations upon generations (religion driving most of the ugliness imo, but different story). These things happen and since you know about it, the question is what will you do after knowing about it? I am really not sure what to do. The only thing I believe I can do is avoid it if I can and try not to breed it if I can.

[Lord Raven]

Snow Crash!

But since it basically just sounds like organized crime on the web (from the article), it's hard for me to think of this as a particularly new thing...?

It's not organized crime. Obviously, anything will highlight that part of it because it's more interesting. It's really just internet in anonymity, which will lead to shit like that, but internet in anonymity isn't always a bad thing.

[redturtle806]

The whole deep web thing kinda reminds me of the chapter black tape from Yu Yu Hakusho. Basically it was a tape of the absolute worst acts of humanity and would turn someone against humanity if they watched it enough. I remember they also said that it was never supposed to be viewed without also viewing the absolute best acts as well.

Even the people google hires to "censor" stuff like that only get to work a year at a time, and some need therapy at the end. My linkhttp://gizmodo.com/5936572/the-worst-job-at-google-a-year-of-watching-beastiality-child-pornography-and-other-terrible-internet-things

People are crazy.

Edited January 10, 2013 by redturtle806

[Shroom]

Hello.

I was wondering if some of you have heard about this...the Deep Web. Basically, it says that basic search engines like Google and Yahoo only show 5% of what the whole Internet is. The 95% of it is covered, as if it were some kind of conspiracy. The truth behind that, though, is that there happens to be alot of confidential information and databases as well as outright grotesque things in there...

What's worrying me though, it's the grotesque things I heard from that place. The "dark side" of the Internet. It is said that alot of illegal things go on there, alot of illegal and just out right inhumane things can be found. I've heard that there is a whole blackmarket going on where they sell human organs illegally as well as drugs, weapons and hire for assassins. But that's just the beggining. What really bothering is the kind of images that can be found- There are videos of people being slaughtered and treated as pieces of meat, as well as child prostitution, live suicides, among other horrible things.

I just can't not be disturbed at how low the human race could have gotten...I am utterly disturbed to the point I can't get some of these things out of my head. I can't believe the level of outright malice could go this far for their simple entertainment.

Been there. The Deepwebs is literally like 20 websites. Its talked about to scare redditfags into wetting their beds more than usual.

And yeah, there's mentions and talk of illegal things, like hitmen, child porn, murder, etc. Almost all of it is just people talking about it, and stuff around it that they've supposedly done. And all that is accessible there, on Deepwebs, live suicides, child porn, etc, is just as available on the regular internet if you know how to look for it.

In other words, its boring. You're ignorant. Humans are gross and disturbing and we all can't deny that we aren't fascinated enough by things like real gore to just look away when its offered to us. that's human nature as well. The Deepwebbers, or simply a lot of people with a lot of time to spend on the internet, just accept that fact and look anyway because they can.

If this is all it takes for you to get "disturbed at how low the human race could have gotten" you should try watching the news some time. Have fun in the real world, bro.

[Junkhead]

Unfair use of the word "ignorant" there.

Anyway, with that I don't expect that this doesn't happen in the real world, it's just that I doubt it happens everywhere, all the time and often enough as to consider it something common as you make it seem to be.

Humans are gross and disturbing and we all can't deny that we aren't fascinated enough by things like real gore to just look away when its offered to us. that's human nature as well.

And please, I wish you would speak for yourself before you defoul the name of human kind any further with that.

Don't generalize.

Edited February 7, 2013 by Soul

[mmKALLL]

I personally feel that a generalization on a global level is acceptable. The difference between a person and the whole human race is huge, after all. However, it's very difficult to justify this level of generalisation; at most, it's probably subjective. Lacking any kind of research on a claim like that makes that claim itself very weak and therefore redundant. The same applies for questioning the claim, though.

Since I'm not an expert, I can't really give any facts on that. However, in my opinion, it's true that humans in general are attracted to things they feel great emotions towards, whether it's porn or gore. I feel that on the following matter I can say to have some sort of basis on, though. Still, I haven't researched the deep web in itself thoroughly, so if my sources happen to be all incorrect, the following is as well.

Been there. The Deepwebs is literally like 20 websites.

I'm not entirely sure whether or not this is sarcasm, but it appears not to be. The deep web is extremely comprehensive and quite a few (hundreds, thousands or even more) times bigger than the "surface" web.

I am not certain how Google and Yahoo go about collecting information. I thought the company sent out a sort of spider which would visit pages marking down the address and other relevant information of a page such as keywords. Then, using a sophisticated algorithm and logic they match your search with the web pages they have documented. However, I believe due to their own standards they will refuse to show or even document certain things. Whether its only 5% they actually show I think is a bit of a lie. The world is rarely that one sided to anything.

As far as I know, search engine providers indeed mostly explore the web with various software, often called spiders. However, refusal is probably the wrong idea. While there are people who go through suspicious cases and remove some results, most of the content in the internet, rather than removed from engines are impossible to reach entirely by the spiders in the first place. This is what's come to be called the deep web. It's not much more than that - the majority consists of various hyperlinks which are protected by passwords or other input mechanisms not accessible by the spiders.

For example the personal account pages of all people around all forums; you can't (or bother) put a spider to enter the login information to access these pages. Spiders don't access virtual, dynamically per-request created pages like bank account information. They don't access pages created by signature image generators which can have potentially millions of combinations with various pieces of text. The spiders generally don't access, track and store the data of these kinds of dynamically created pages or pages protected by passwords. The spiders can't access databases with millions of entries, the spiders can't access websites on local hosts, not spread on the Internet while connected. The spiders don't have access to most addresses which are configured to a specific computer or router or another network device somewhere on the globe. The deep web, as it's called, by definition consists mostly of this kind of data not accessible by spiders. It's out there somewhere, generated on the fly by various people using the dynamic services, but it's difficult to program a bot dealing with millions of web pages to explore such varieties.

Then, there's this side of the deep web, discussed every now and then, which contains grotesque things all around. It's mostly the same thing as aforementioned; the content is just classified as inhumane etc. There are subscription-only websites with gore videos and images etc which spiders can't really access, so that's another part of it all. However, the same stuff can be found on the surface web, so there really shouldn't be any fuss on about how evil the deep web is in itself - it's more a technicality than anything in my opinion. Rather, what really is discussed is not the deep web, but the matters of humanity and what's right and wrong.

I don't think I'm entitled to say things about that as if they are universal truths. Simply, some people think that those kinds of things are alright, some people don't, and some like to watch it happen regardless. It's a fact that the current population of Earth by humans is higher than would be acceptable from a biological perspective, so one may argue that it's righteous to kill humans. It's not like I don't find it inhumane myself that these kinds of things happen on the planet, but I'm not in the position to say it's completely wrong either. Some people have a limited view on the world or might not even know of anything else; the power that culture has on people is immense. Just look at things religious disagreements etc have caused and you'll see that the environment we live in really matters in what kind of people we grow up to be.

Just my two cents. If you think I'm wrong, please give a better argument and I'll admit it.

[Aizenberg]

I'm pretty sure you can access a lot of this stuff on 4chan although that might not be true. I've never been on 4chan so i don't know.

I know you can easily get hacked if you have the Deep Web. The hackers can easily steal card information.

The deep web is kinda like if every single person in the entire world got a hold of the internet. Including your average socio path and your average paedophile.

Edited February 7, 2013 by Aizenberg

[mmKALLL]

Seems like you missed my post entirely. Could you please elaborate what it means to "have the Deep Web", and how information theft is any more likely than by otherwise being connected to the internet?

[Raven]

I think the deep web is cleaner than the visible web.

[Nayr Farros]

I've heard of the deep web and am not surprised by it. There's a dark underbelly to everything in this world. From government to religion to medicine, they all cross lines and keep it a secret from the general public.

[Aizenberg]

Seems like you missed my post entirely. Could you please elaborate what it means to "have the Deep Web", and how information theft is any more likely than by otherwise being connected to the internet?

what i meant was that there's something you need to access the deep web. And the information theft thing i heard from someone okay? Im no deep web expert. I just hear these things from other people.

And i really doubt you're an expect on this subject

Edited February 8, 2013 by Aizenberg

[Shuuda]

Sounds like scaremongering bollocks followed by people naively philosophising about human nature etc etc. I'm straining to think of this as actual serious discussion.

Is there any evidence for this beyond sensationalist media outlets? If there isn't then I'd consider just locking this.

Edited February 7, 2013 by Shuuda

[Junkhead]

Well excuse us for not adopting such a sublime and pretty word-decorated logic such as your own.

[peener weener]

There is, in fact, but it's not as "romantic" as Soul paints it out to be. Pretty sure even wikipedia points out how to access it. It's also not completely um... "illegal stuffs," it's simply a fuckload of uncached/non-indexed/unlinked/junk/dynamic etc. information. In fact, that's the reason it can't be accessed normally. this thread is pretty useless basically yep

Edited February 8, 2013 by Stolypin Necktie

[Nayr Farros]

Sounds like scaremongering bollocks followed by people naively philosophizing about human nature etc etc. I'm straining to think of this as actual serious discussion.

Is there any evidence for this beyond sensationalist media outlets? If there isn't then I'd consider just locking this.

Suggestion: Instead of locking for not being serious enough(even though there is discussion of the twisted underside of the web we all use), you could just move the topic to The General Discussion board or to the Far from the Forest board.