luigi bros Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Playing through this game, I have seen no mention as to where the Taguel originate. Yarne says something like they're "cousins" of the Manaketes, but I don't really get how that's possible. The only somewhat logical answer is that both are descendants of the Laguz which is impossible because for one, it is said that Tellius is in another dimension, and two, in Tellius's backstory even if they are in the same world, all other continents were wiped out, which would include Archanea/Ylisse. And evolution could be involved here, but if they are evolved Laguz how do you go from Tiger/Lion to...Rabbit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Well, perhaps it's like the Wolf Tribe of Hatari. After all, the Tellius map has lands beyond the east and northeast. Though I think Nailah commented about whether there was lands or not beyond Hatari, but I don't remember. Anyway, perhaps the world of Tellius isn't the only one with animal-shapeshifters. The Taguel use stones like the Manaketes, something the Laguz didn't had unless it was for a quick transformation. Not to mention that the in-game world map shows at least 3 other continents apart from Valm and Ylisse, in addition to Jugdral also being somewhere in that world. Perhaps as time passed whatever place the Taguel came from eventually moved to Ylisse for whatever reason. Edited February 27, 2013 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fëanen Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 My guess is they always lived in the northern parts of Archanaea/Ylisse that are now Ferox. A lot of that area wasn't really inhabited in FE1/3, so they could've gone mostly unnoticed. They could have come from another continent too, though I wouldn't take those three off-map continents too seriously - if you look closely you'll see that all three seem to have the same coastline! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Panne tells MU that there were bird and cat Taguel long ago so I think it was just that rabbits were lesser known back then...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Stalker X Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 My guess is they always lived in the northern parts of Archanaea/Ylisse that are now Ferox. A lot of that area wasn't really inhabited in FE1/3, so they could've gone mostly unnoticed. They could have come from another continent too, though I wouldn't take those three off-map continents too seriously - if you look closely you'll see that all three seem to have the same coastline! Not entirely sure regarding the map, but I remember a bit of studying was done regarding those other continents, and it mostly seemed that the southern continent closely resembled the south coast of Elibe (although Missur was completely absent), and another user pointed out that the far western continent resembled a portion of Isaac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkeandMia Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Since the mythology of Tellius deals with what amounts to the creation of intelligent life I'm willing to imagine the Tellius games being the first in the timeline, happening a looooooong time before any of the other games. Give it a few millenia and all those other continents that got swallowed by the great flood could've reemerged and became the continents we know from the other FE titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 My guess is they always lived in the northern parts of Archanaea/Ylisse that are now Ferox. A lot of that area wasn't really inhabited in FE1/3, so they could've gone mostly unnoticed. These are my thoughts as well. In Marth's time, the entire upper half of the continent was a crazy mystery zone filled with crazy dragons, crazy people, and who knows what else. You can pretty much retroactively put anything there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Shards Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Okay I'm glad I'm not the only one who was like, "So... where did you come from?" The unexplored explanation makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) My guess is they always lived in the northern parts of Archanaea/Ylisse that are now Ferox. A lot of that area wasn't really inhabited in FE1/3, so they could've gone mostly unnoticed. They could have come from another continent too, though I wouldn't take those three off-map continents too seriously - if you look closely you'll see that all three seem to have the same coastline! I wasn't certain of your observation, but I took a REALLY close look and I think you might be onto something. The south-western continent has a similar protruding area, but looks kind of different. However the north and southern continents are almost an exact match. The top image is the northern continent rotated 180 degrees. The bottom image is the southern continent unchanged. Also bear in mind that the lands are skewed due to the different globe orientation. EDIT Oh actually, the south-western continent seems to match with the left part of the southern continent, which I haven't shown. IS, those cheapskates o__o Edited February 27, 2013 by VincentASM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emblem Lugh Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Panne has an interesting conversation with Sothe when they fight in the Champions of Yore 3 DLC. Panne: That flash of surprise in your eyes... You've seen my race before. Sothe: Why? Looking for a wildlife lesson, brigand? Panne: Careful what you call me, man-spawn. I might just overreact. So I guess that's more than enough confirmation that taguel are either decendents of the laguz or taguel is just a new word. (Also when did Sothe get so racist? Gosh.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Panne also tells Ricken in their A support that there are wolf and (I think) cat taguel... reference to Laguz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Since the mythology of Tellius deals with what amounts to the creation of intelligent life I'm willing to imagine the Tellius games being the first in the timeline, happening a looooooong time before any of the other games. Give it a few millenia and all those other continents that got swallowed by the great flood could've reemerged and became the continents we know from the other FE titles. Naga is Ena's and Rajaion's descendant. but really, i don't see why it's so weird that there were kitty and birdie manakete wannabes hidden in Akaneia back in the day of Marth and such. what i'm actually wondering is what was the exact reason that they had to change to shifting stones. if the games occurred in the same timeline, something must have happened to the laguz in general, not just dragons and such. which is kind of sad i suppose. and i wonder if there are any heron taguel equivalents out there somewhere. maybe we'll see one sometime. it would be nice to know that the herons didn't die out. myunit would marry the heron taguel equivalent thing in a heartbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesmar Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Panne mentioning meeting bird, cat and wolf shape shifters (I believe she says "cat-wearers" rather than cat Taguel even) I took as being a direct reference to Laguz of Tellius, and took it also to assume Tellius is int he same world, and Priam (or Ike) didn't necessarily dimension hop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Not entirely sure regarding the map, but I remember a bit of studying was done regarding those other continents, and it mostly seemed that the southern continent closely resembled the south coast of Elibe (although Missur was completely absent), and another user pointed out that the far western continent resembled a portion of Isaac. I thought it was pretty much confirmed that the other continents were copy/pastes of Ylisse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonZ Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Henry also mentions a man who could transform into a crow in one of his event tiles/barracks quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerspike Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 what i'm actually wondering is what was the exact reason that they had to change to shifting stones. if the games occurred in the same timeline, something must have happened to the laguz in general, not just dragons and such. which is kind of sad i suppose. My guess would be this: If the manaketes and taguel are indeed the descendants of the laguz, their abilities could have become diluted through marriage with non-laguz, making them branded. Their only means of transformation becomes their respective stones, possibly a blessing bestowed after the events that occurred in Radiant Dawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent~ Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 My guess would be this: If the manaketes and taguel are indeed the descendants of the laguz, their abilities could have become diluted through marriage with non-laguz, making them branded. Their only means of transformation becomes their respective stones, possibly a blessing bestowed after the events that occurred in Radiant Dawn. Or or or, going on that same thread, maybe the branded always had that means of transformation, they just didn't know about it because til that point there was still so much negativity surrounding them that they had very little chance of finding it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Manaketes being descended from Laguz is not possible. Manaketes were pretty much your old-fashioned-folklore type of dragons until forced to take a human form while storing the excess power in stones or else they turned into non sentient beings (Archaneian continuity) or suffering a massive drop in their lifespan (Elibian continuity). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdok Dracul Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Manaketes being descended from Laguz is not possible. Manaketes were pretty much your old-fashioned-folklore type of dragons until forced to take a human form while storing the excess power in stones or else they turned into non sentient beings (Archaneian continuity) or suffering a massive drop in their lifespan (Elibian continuity). Divergent evolution is always possible. (scrap that editing I was doing) Edited March 13, 2013 by Murdok Dracul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Divergent evolution is always possible. I suppose it had to be a very specific one then, since it would mean that at least the Dragon Laguz lost their human forms, grew larger, and then gained a lot of energy that they soon had to place in the stones a lot of time later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Manaketes being descended from Laguz is not possible. Manaketes were pretty much your old-fashioned-folklore type of dragons until forced to take a human form while storing the excess power in stones or else they turned into non sentient beings (Archaneian continuity) or suffering a massive drop in their lifespan (Elibian continuity). I don't see how any of that makes it not possible. It's high likely the Tellius games take place very near the beginning of the timeline, before the great catastrophe occurs. Besides, why else does the game tell you there are cat, lion, wolf, hawk and heron Taguel? Clearly the developers want to strongly suggest that the Taguel are descended from the Laguz. Since no dragon Taguel are mentioned, it can be inferred that the very similar Manakete are descended from the dragon Laguz. Another thing: the Taguel and Manakete have access to the Odd/Even Rhythm Skills, which are known as Odd/Even Biorhythm in the Japanese version. I don't think it's a coincidence that they have a Skill that is a reference to a Tellius gameplay aspect. Edited March 13, 2013 by VincentASM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdok Dracul Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) I suppose it had to be a very specific one then, since it would mean that at least the Dragon Laguz lost their human forms, grew larger, and then gained a lot of energy that they soon had to place in the stones a lot of time later. Yes. But it's possible. There are a couple of in-game hints to Taguel being Laguz in Awakening, and Taguel are very similar to Manaketes, so even if it seems far-fetched, there are grounds for it. Another thing: the Taguel and Manakete have access to the Odd/Even Rhythm Skills, which are known as Odd/Even Biorhythm in the Japanese version. I don't think it's a coincidence that they have a Skill that is a reference to a Tellius gameplay aspect. That's interesting...but I'd be more impressed if they had the Tide/Pool skills from Radiant Dawn. Edited March 13, 2013 by Murdok Dracul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I don't doubt that they're related, I just find it weird in the case of the Manaketes, considering what the latter had went through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdok Dracul Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I don't doubt that they're related, I just find it weird in the case of the Manaketes, considering what the latter had went through. True, it is weird. I prefer not to think too much about the details when they don't seem to add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesmar Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Nowi (I believe it was her) mentions something about wanting to try out new forms in a barracks quote. Mentions a couple of the Laguz species and a spider omg Spider shape shifters confirmed for FE14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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