Interceptor Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Yay, Fire Emblem is finally on the rise. And all it needed to do,is to sacrifice any sense of decency.And by "sacrifice any sense of decency", you mean "deliver mechanics that people enjoy". If sexing up a title was enough to make it move, I think that Agarest would have blown the doors off the world. As it turns out, people actually give a shit about fun gameplay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Gee, I don't know... Will you quit worshipping a game that has implied rape lead right into marriage? Seriously, Tharja is pretty much a female version of freaking Valter. Hahaha, you think I'm worshipping it. That's a good one, I don't even have the game yet. I can judge some things like Tharja are a bit crude yes, but you are taking this a little too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khainiwest Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Character depth? The characters are onedimensional, that someone like Virion won't even stop to hump Sulliy's leg even when faced with a rain of fire and an undead invasion. He won't act like a human being, for even for a split second. And the supports read themselves as if someone is trying to tell the same joke over and over in the hope that it gets funny eventually. And then someone just slips someone a ring over the finger randomly. Yes. There is no substance to these guys. They are all unrelatable caricatures. Someone clearly hasn't actually read the story or done any of the support conversations. You lost all credibility by trying to post a really poor first impression example. Good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) Where did they call Tharja the perfect fighter? Just curious... In this interview: http://fireemblem.nintendo.com/developer-interview/ It's on page 3. Edit: Someone clearly hasn't actually read the story or done any of the support conversations. You lost all credibility by trying to post a really poor first impression example.Good job. Personally I feel that I read enough supports. And I don't see a reason why the writing should suddenly shift to good after Marth's introduction. Heck, one of the developers in that interview called it his favourite scene. And if it was considered bad, it wouldn't be in the demo, since the very purpose is to give a good first impression. Edited April 17, 2013 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khainiwest Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) In this interview: http://fireemblem.nintendo.com/developer-interview/ It's on page 3. You do realize they are mocking the dialogue where they state in the support conversations that Tharja has the best body in the army right? I suggest you pick your battles wisely as I have nearly 350 hours invested in this game, and it certainly wasn't staring at "fanservice". Edit:Personally I feel that I read enough supports. And I don't see a reason why the writing should suddenly shift to good after Marth's introduction. Heck, one of the developers in that interview called it his favourite scene. And if it was considered bad, it wouldn't be in the demo, since the very purpose is to give a good first impression. Are you kidding? How can you judge a character without knowing anything about him. You don't know what the hell you're talking about Edited April 17, 2013 by Khainiwest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tae Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 · Hidden by eCut, April 17, 2013 - Spam, does not contribute. Hidden by eCut, April 17, 2013 - Spam, does not contribute. Queen's Blade is more popular than Pokemon, guys don't you understand Bright Bow. Link to comment
Interceptor Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 You're oblivious and probably isolated.... I wonder why I know what I'm talking about due to being in Japan, having buddies, and socializing a lot (in Japanese). Also playing lots of Japanese games that's in Japanese. Here's a fact: Check out the otaku/fans that buys a lot. The Japanese anime/manga/culture market itself is "HUGE". Hoo boy, looks like I have to use simple words here. I'm not calling into question your credentials (I am sure that they are impeccable, and that you have the Prime Minister on speed-dial), or suggesting than Japanese people aren't xenophobic (because they are); I am making the point that the worldwide gaming market is bigger than Japan's. Apparently this is controversial. Who knew? Well, I guess couldn't do it after all. Sorry, use a dictionary. Says the guy whining a lot about feet (which is much simpler than "tentacle demons") on FE: Awakening.... Hey, all I said was to be careful about asking questions that you don't really want to know the answer to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasori Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Gee, I don't know... Will you quit worshipping a game that has implied rape lead right into marriage? Seriously, Tharja is pretty much a female version of freaking Valter. Come to think of it, I guess I should change it. I probably just kinda liked it because of all the time I invested in getting the font just right without resorting to copy and paste. To be fair it isn't the first fire emblem with implied rapists running around. Its just the first one who mentioned the marriage bit. I agree with you that the fan service is a bit distastefull, but isn't saying that it ruined the series going a little bit too far? The gameplay is still there and while most characters do have a gimmick they aren't that one dimensional from what I've seen so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) To be fair it isn't the first fire emblem with implied rapists running around. Its just the first one who mentioned the marriage bit. I agree with you that the fan service is a bit distastefull, but isn't saying that it ruined the series going a little bit too far? The gameplay is still there and while most characters do have a gimmick they aren't that one dimensional from what I've seen so far. The other rapists were Narshen and Valter. Both were villains. They were treated like they deserved and didn't get to marry their victims. I didn't like it much either but it's hardly comparable in any way. Plus, Tharja makes the whole group look ridiculous because she makes absolutely no effort to hide that she is evil. She openly attacks people. She is merely creepy because the party somehow ignores a chronic backstabber. But okay, maybe there is more to the characters. I'm just not confident about that. Because Tharja is the character that everyone at IS and the fanbase loves. So I figured that I shouldn't judge a book by it's cover and read the scripts related to her. Afterwards I was in dire need of a glass water. If someone who is supposedly the best character is so god awful, (No reason for joining, No reason to be tolerated by the party, Flat as a line, Complete monster) then how can the rest of the cast be any better? Edited April 17, 2013 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkNorkx Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) Hoo boy, looks like I have to use simple words here. I'm not calling into question your credentials (I am sure that they are impeccable, and that you have the Prime Minister on speed-dial), or suggesting than Japanese people aren't xenophobic (because they are); I am making the point that the worldwide gaming market is bigger than Japan's. Apparently this is controversial. Who knew? Well, I guess couldn't do it after all. Sorry, use a dictionary. Hey, all I said was to be careful about asking questions that you don't really want to know the answer to. Use a dictionary... That argument is a little child's argument. No, your "simple" wording is not the same as your main wording. It's different or is adding to your argument. Also, "be careful about asking questions that you don't really want to know the answer to" is not related to our "debate" whatsoever. It's like saying a random quote/saying from a famous person to a "un-related discussion" which makes yourself sound quite stupid. Hey, all I said was to be careful about asking questions that you don't really want to know the answer to. Now this "quote/saying" is related to this discussion. But you unfortunately went against your own "feet argument" which means you wouldn't complain about the "feet" in the very beginning if you thought highly of that "quote/saying".... Edited April 17, 2013 by SparkNorkx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iridium Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 As someone who is practically asexual I am glad that Brightbow clarified for me that I actually bought the game so that Tharja could rape me and I could marry Nowi. I had assumed this entire time I had purchased it because I liked FE8 and was very interested in seeing a continuation of that game's mechanics, but now I know better. Time to start hoping that FE14 is a dating sim where you need to repopulate the dying Manakete species with characters like Nah, Myrrh, and FE11!Tiki. Yeah, FE12 was a remake of a game that only the Japanese fanbase was really fond of, and on a dying system no less. In hindsight, it isn't too surprising it didn't make it over here. Although do understand that the American fanbase was, to at least a certain extent, not fond of the games because most of them never played them. Admittedly even still the games remain more beloved in Japan compared to we who appear to prefer 4/7/9, but that's not entirely the game's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Plus, Tharja makes the whole group look ridiculous because she makes absolutely no effort to hide that she is evil. She openly attacks people. She is merely creepy because the party somehow ignores a chronic backstabber.Is it not OK to enjoy laughing at ridiculous things? Tharja is completely irrelevant to the story, and largely fills the Oliver role in this game. No, your "simple" wording is not the same as your main wording. It's different or is adding to your argumentConsider the possibility that you misunderstood it in the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkNorkx Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Consider the possibility that you misunderstood it in the first time. I didn't "misunderstood" it in the first place. Maybe that's just in your own world/mind set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) oh no guys i was going to buy the game because it seemed like a fun play but now brightbow has convinced me that this game is all about rape and forced marriage and is unfunny i guess i won't be getting this game to fuel the devil-spawn that is IS because if i do that means i support it Edited April 17, 2013 by CT075 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eCut Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) That's enough derailing this topic. Get back on topic or just don't bother posting here, yeah? Edit:And I see you're replying, Brightbow. There is a high chance that it's going to further derail and if that's the case, I will be promptly removing it. Edited April 17, 2013 by eCut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) But if you don't give IS enough makka, then it'll never be able to fuse with fellow devil-spawn Atlus. So about the actual topic, does this make FE Awakening the best selling FE game? Although I'm sure someone has already answered that, but I probably missed it. Edited April 17, 2013 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 The previous best selling FE was FE4 at 776K sold in Japan. I have to wonder if you're trolling us sometimes, Vince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike-Mike Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Not quite the best selling yet in either region, but it's certainly the fastest selling. But there are enough examples, even recent ones, that fastest selling doesn't necessarily equal highest selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I say that If it's high by Fire Emblem standards, it should be good enough. As long as the direction is right, I don't care much about the speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkNorkx Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) Not quite the best selling yet in either region, but it's certainly the fastest selling. But there are enough examples, even recent ones, that fastest selling doesn't necessarily equal highest selling. ^ True. Edited April 17, 2013 by SparkNorkx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 · Hidden by eCut, April 17, 2013 - Continued derailment Hidden by eCut, April 17, 2013 - Continued derailment But if you don't give IS enough makka, then it'll never be able to fuse with fellow devil-spawn Atlus. Except IS is a second-party developer that is owned by Nintendo... Link to comment
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 · Hidden by eCut, April 17, 2013 - Continuing the derailment Hidden by eCut, April 17, 2013 - Continuing the derailment The other rapists were Narshen and Valter. Both were villains. They were treated like they deserved and didn't get to marry their victims. I didn't like it much either but it's hardly comparable in any way. Several person in FE1 Obviously a countless amount in FE4 Theres also one in FE7 And there was a Loli Sex Slave in FE5, that joined the team, not to mention one of the character in the team is recruited by kidnapping her, and mindlessly killing off all of her friends, and the party gets away with it. Rapist and Loli with implications are not exactly new in FE, although Awakening basically put it up on front. Also the story is total shit after chapter 11, but thats for another day Link to comment
Ike-Mike Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) Pokémon Black and White sold millions of copies very quickly but fell flat after the first month or two and ended up as the lowest selling generation overall. Skyward Sword was also touted as the fastest selling Zelda in press releases. Edited April 17, 2013 by Ike-Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I want my favorite series to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I have to wonder if you're trolling us sometimes, Vince. Damn, I'm too tired today. I meant FE3 sold 776K. Unless you're referring to something else o__o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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