SSB4: SSB for Wii U and 3DS, maybe the NX and also your toaster!

[Fire Emblem Fan]

I will also argue to the grave that Bowser is seriously underrated.

[Great Geargia Gateway]

It's awesome being a Samus main and beating anyone who comes my way.

Real Talk, I thought Lucas would be higher. And Robin would be Lower, cause you know, slowest character.

[Knife]

Agree with the list as it pertains to the current meta but Pika is way too high. Switch with MK and we good.

[Jedi]

According to Nairo, Corrin's uair, nair and fair all auto cancel by the looks of it, and theres also the fact that they all seemingly flawlessly combo into each other.

[euklyd]

According to Nairo, Corrin's uair, nair and fair all auto cancel by the looks of it, and theres also the fact that they all seemingly flawlessly combo into each other.

[spoiler=the full info]

11:44 PM Kalierdarke said: So Nairo apparently said Corrin's >b can only be used once in the air

11:56 PM Kalierdarke said: Also the bite from DFS shield breaks at full charge

11:56 PM Kalierdarke said: Nairo is streaming right now and answering questions

11:59 PM Kalierdarke said: shielding/rolling/spot dodging DFS at close range seems like a very bad idea because of that

12:03 AM Kalierdarke said: also DL is apparently not a command grab. sad day

12:25 AM Fernando said: SH nair, bair, and fair all auto cancel according to nairo

1:18 AM Snake55wildcat said: that sounds awesome, oh wow

1:22 AM euklyd (FE) said: yessss I have validation in my "those look like nice autocancels"

fun times

e: ftr this is the corrin discord chat; if you want to join I can drop a link or s/t

also tier lists are dumb

and then I remember, this tier list is a smashboards tier list, and take every post with a grain of salt

since you know, it's like their favorite condiment

dude smashboards could take lessons from SF on saltiness Edited February 2, 2016 by Euklyd

[Jedi]

Thank you Euk, this should be good information, I'm quite looking forward to the next few days.

[The DanMan]

Yea I usually consider Link to be low tier scrub trash

Then I recall my love to destroy links

And wonder which professional players play Link

and then I remember, this tier list is a smashboards tier list, and take every post with a grain of salt

since you know, it's like their favorite condiment

I fail to see the reasoning here. It was made by long-time members and competitive players; it's not a polling opportunity a la the subreddit.

And it even said in the post containing their tier list that consensus is far from unanimous on many characters.

[Elieson]

i may have to look at the comittee involved, I'm used to Smashboards being about as toxic as the facebook Melee Hell group, with ranting and raving lunatics heavily biased towards their mains with little regard for the middle 30 PCs' accurate placement.

I mean, this is the compiled effort not of Smashboards, but of about 50 dudes from across the world, with an incredibly heavy america bias and fuckall from Japan even, which is known for differentiating in the most simple of popularity, Sonic and Wario.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Elieson

[The DanMan]

i may have to look at the comittee involved, I'm used to Smashboards being about as toxic as the facebook Melee Hell group, with ranting and raving lunatics heavily biased towards their mains with little regard for the middle 30 PCs' accurate placement.

I mean, this is the compiled effort not of Smashboards, but of about 50 dudes from across the world, with an incredibly heavy america bias and fuckall from Japan even, which is known for differentiating in the most simple of popularity, Sonic and Wario.

Well, both Melee and Brawl had different tier lists by region; if there are substantial differences in the regional metas, that will no doubt happen again.

[Nova]

I just love how pretty much every character with which I'd consider myself good is low or bottom tier. Not that I care.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember someone saying that tier lists only really matter at high level play. Is that accurate?

Well, my favorite thing to do in For Glory is beating Sheik players with my Zelda.

[MRDRHAWK]

>Cloud only in B tier

>Zelda under Jiggs

>Dorf still bottom three

>Dong/Ike barely in mid-tier

fucking nope

[Knife]

The truth hurts huh?

[The DanMan]

The truth hurts huh?

"Truth"? Or "It's still too early and this was just rushed out because people wanted something"?

To one extent or another, the biggest step towards that lists' invalidation will happen in less than 24 hours. And Sakurai himself said patches will continue for the foreseeable future; honestly, they should've waited until after EVO before they even began to start compiling information.

[Truthblade]

There is nothing that can convince me that Roy and Shulk are that low. But otherwise it seems fair. Just prepare for the list to go to dust tommorow.

[Ema Skye]

Honestly, I'm not sure how much 1.1.4 will kill the list.

We've had characters get really buffed by patches (Bowser, Mewtwo, Robin, Ike) and they've increased in viability as a whole (similarly, we've had guys like Luigi and Diddy get nerfed heavily by patches). But they only come one or two at a time and so they collectively don't blow the list out of proportion. A lot of the smaller buffs don't actually help out much in the grand scheme of things. There's also guys like Shulk, Marth and Lucas who get lots of buffs but don't actually improve too much with them. Cloud didn't impact the meta much upon his release in a way that he invalidated a bunch of characters.

Really, unless Bayonetta and Corrin have the ability to make some high tier characters unviable, the only way we'll see the tier list change much is if a character hits the buff lottery (ala Ike) or gets the nerf bat (ala Luigi). Look at how tier lists have developed over the past year (the r/smashbros one is really good for this) and see how many of the changes in tier rank are due to meta development vs. patch changes.

[euklyd]

http://smashboards.com/threads/4br-tier-list-v1-0-competitive-impressions.429826/page-4#post-20823685

this post + the post at the top of the page have info on the DLC chars

[Dotty]

DLC characters won't be put to their respective franchises on the character select screen

Nnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooo

Edited February 2, 2016 by Dotty

[Ema Skye]

By saying Bayonetta's smashes have projectile attributes, does that mean they could be reflected?

Surprised her jab is "really good" if it's a frame 9 move.

Umbra having walkoffs is kinda concerning but it seems like it's at least better than Delfino. I still think it can be counterpick.

Seems like Bayo really doesn't have much in the way of kill moves outside of Smashes. Definitely seems like how Sakurai balanced her.

Also top of the next page has more:

- All of Bayo's aerials except for dair autocancel

- Witch Time lasts for 6 seconds. Her Smashes can kill around 70% in Witch Time

- F-Smash --> DSmash is a legit Bayo combo

Edited February 2, 2016 by Scrub Lord Doof

[Jedi]

By saying Bayonetta's smashes have projectile attributes, does that mean they could be reflected?

If Villager can pocket the demonic arms... Lmao

[MRDRHAWK]

OH BOY MORE VILLAGER IN THE META

sigh

[Ema Skye]

If Villager can pocket the demonic arms... Lmao

Or if Rosalina can use her Down B.

Giant demonic arms spinning everywhere

[BrightBow]

If Villager pockets the Wicked Weaves, wouldn't Bayonetta end up staying naked?

[The DanMan]

By saying Bayonetta's smashes have projectile attributes, does that mean they could be reflected?

Surprised her jab is "really good" if it's a frame 9 move.

Umbra having walkoffs is kinda concerning but it seems like it's at least better than Delfino. I still think it can be counterpick.

Seems like Bayo really doesn't have much in the way of kill moves outside of Smashes. Definitely seems like how Sakurai balanced her.

Also top of the next page has more:

- All of Bayo's aerials except for dair autocancel

- Witch Time lasts for 6 seconds. Her Smashes can kill around 70% in Witch Time

- F-Smash --> DSmash is a legit Bayo combo

Umm... conflicting information? A character being able to get kills practically at 40% doesn't strike me as "balanced" in the slightest.

Edited February 2, 2016 by The DanMan

[Jedi]

Umm... conflicting information? A character being able to get kills practically at 40% doesn't strike me as "balanced" in the slightest.

Zero Suit Kills earlier than that if she gets the right chains.

We don't know how effective this will be in the end though.

[Elieson]

Umm... conflicting information? A character being able to get kills practically at 40% doesn't strike me as "balanced" in the slightest.

Yea

Finishing Touch and KO Punch ain't balanced at'all

/sarcasm