The Void Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 And Ike couldn't do any of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasori Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Roy dealt more with Merlinus and Guenivere rather than someone like Marcus. Ephraim did have Seth, but only so much compared to Eirika, who added Innes and Saleh, while L'arachel took a certain role after the twins reunite. But wasn't Merlinus pretty sucky as an advisor. All I can remember was him sometimes explaining stuff and being rude so Roy had to reign him in. If I recall correctly Roy made a lot of the more smarter decisions himself like exposing that shaman boss and calling in Ertruria to defend Ostia. And Ephraim was fairly successful in fighting Grado on his own even if the strategies he used in game where fairly questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 So what if Ike turned to his advisors a few times? That's natural for a leader. Greil asked the opinions of the mercenaries sometimes too and asked Soren for the best course of action in Gallia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Sigurd wins, I don't know any lord who can attack THEN move. Plus he comes back as a ghost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciarre Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Nothing beats the GOAST lord. I agree with Shin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasori Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 So what if Ike turned to his advisors a few times? That's natural for a leader. Greil asked the opinions of the mercenaries sometimes too and asked Soren for the best course of action in Gallia. Never said there was anything wrong with turning for advice. I merely tried to say that most lords seem to have a thing they specialise in. Marth and Eliwood look like the most compassionate lords. Roy and Ephraim seem to be the smarter lords lords like Hector, Ephraim and Ike seem to be the best as bashing people's heads in. Don't know where I would place Sigurd though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The impression I get about Ike (and the other lords) from Awakening is that if all of the FE games exist in the same universe, just over a very long period of time, Ike's story is chronologically first and his adventures turned him into a legend. I think it's possible that from purely a story perspective (as in, nothing to do with gameplay) Ike may at least be the strongest human in the FE-verse. Of course, just because it's possible doesn't necessarily mean he IS. But that's neither here nor there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 you might say that ike is the strongest lord because of fe10's ridiculously inflated stat caps (matched only by fe13 and fe4 IF you include holy weapons) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciarre Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 you could also say leif is the worst because 20 stat caps across the board ('cept hp) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Leif can't be the weakest. He has dragon blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 The impression I get about Ike (and the other lords) from Awakening is that if all of the FE games exist in the same universe, just over a very long period of time, Ike's story is chronologically first and his adventures turned him into a legend. I think it's possible that from purely a story perspective (as in, nothing to do with gameplay) Ike may at least be the strongest human in the FE-verse. Of course, just because it's possible doesn't necessarily mean he IS. But that's neither here nor there. The games can't all take place in the same world. Awakening clearly defines multiple FEverses. And even if they WERE in the same universe, Ike's games couldn't go first because of the flood wiping out everything but Tellius. Sure, one unknown landmass or two could've survived, but I doubt every continent we know of would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciarre Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Actually, the flood is probably why it's most likely first. After humans were created and everything, everything flooded but Tellius but then the water could've receded later (because the flood was divine intervention, not a natural cause) due to Ashunera becoming a thing later and then there was actual land people could build off of. Well, that's my take anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Except floods like that take thousands and thousands, if not millions, of years to recede. And then it takes even MORE time to build more civilizations again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Exactly what CR said. The Tellius universe is the only one that has an actual creation story. EDIT: Also, for all we know, thousands and thousands of years could have passed since the Great Flood had occurred. Edited July 30, 2013 by Sangyul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 you might say that ike is the strongest lord because of fe10's ridiculously inflated stat caps (matched only by fe13 and fe4 IF you include holy weapons) by this logic, FE13 wins automatically because even FE4 Julia with Book of Naga and no weight penalty only breaks 60 attack/50 speed/38 defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciarre Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Except floods like that take thousands and thousands, if not millions, of years to recede. And then it takes even MORE time to build more civilizations again. I meant Ashunera could've caused the flood to recede. And yeah, what Sangyul said could also be true. It doesn't take millions of years to build civilizations, so a group of people could've wandered to uncovered lands and started a town there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Feasible as that theory is, the only problem with it is the fact that Ike left Tellius and in Awakening is revered as the hero who crossed between worlds. If what is stated in Awakening is true, this disproves that all of the continents are in the same world Edited July 30, 2013 by Hero-King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 On gameplay it's probably Sigurd as he's OP throughout. FE10 Ike is actually pretty ridiculous once he gets Ragnell, but he lacks the mount and roflstimping throughout Sigurd has. On what each lord character accomplished I have to say it's between Alm, Ike and Marth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 To be fair, Sigird's acomplishment is a total joke because he died, and he is also the single dumbest lord until Hector(which is based off Sigurd and Cuan) and Chrom comes along And I have a lot of bad things to say about Chrom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) To be fair, Sigird's acomplishment is a total joke because he died, and he is also the single dumbest lord until Hector(which is based off Sigurd and Cuan) and Chrom comes along Being tricked by someone you trusted ='s an idiot. That makes total sense [actually it doesn't], you seem to think Sigurd had any kind of advantages or anything to pull off to prove his "smartness" when he was backed against a wall completely by his own country and ok so death is a joke then? Haha this guy died totally going to laugh at him. I guess you've never heard of people dying in war. Edited July 30, 2013 by Folgore Red II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Levin: I take it you're that Sigurd guy. You must have an awful lot of free time to be runnin' around startin' wars all over the place! Sigurd: Huh? I don't follow. What're you so angry about? Levin: Try putting yourself into these people's shoes for a second! They're just tryin' to make a livin' here. Then you show up, flashin' your shiny swords around... Sigurd: Hmm... I see your point. Geez, I feel awful about the Agustrian people. Levin: Well, talk is cheap. If you really feel so bad, why don't you pack up and leave? Sigurd: Alright then. Look, I'll go consult with my people. Levin: W, w, whoa! You serious about pullin' out!? Sigurd: Yeah, I've been tossing the idea around myself, and you just helped me make up my mind. I'm through fighting. I've got to try and settle this with King Shagaal peacefully. Levin: Ah... that'd be a complete and utter waste of your time. He wouldn't listen to you. And if Grandbell pulls out now, all the citizens who helped you guys out'll be tossed in jail! Doesn't that bother you? Sigurd: Well, um... of course it does! But... didn't I, er... Levin: Hahaha! You're alright, Sigurd. Look, how about I join up with you guys? Sigurd: Join up wi... Just who are you!? Dude even give up explaining stuff Dumb is an inaccurate word, more like naive and indecisive Or Idealist, not sure which one works the best for this one >_> Eh at least this is not as bad as Cuan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotguner159 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Feasible as that theory is, the only problem with it is the fact that Ike left Tellius and in Awakening is revered as the hero who crossed between worlds. If what is stated in Awakening is true, this disproves that all of the continents are in the same world Crossing worlds could be travelling to or from previously undiscovered continents. The America's were called the New World by Europeans after they were discovered in the early 16th Century. Ike leaving Tellius by boat and landing on a new continent could've been seen as him coming from a different world by the natives, and that became part of his legend after his death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djeets Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 To be fair, Sigird's acomplishment is a total joke because he died, and he is also the single dumbest lord until Hector(which is based off Sigurd and Cuan) and Chrom comes along And I have a lot of bad things to say about Chrom just so you know, Sigurd's the only Lord that Conquered half of the CONTINENT >.<, And he is the father of the lord that later takes the whole grandbell, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) just so you know, Sigurd's the only Lord that Conquered half of the CONTINENT >.<, And he is the father of the lord that later takes the whole grandbell, What did he cause by doing so? Granbell get them all, he is then branded a criminal/treacherous/whateverthewordis, and finally, he get killed, forcing his son to live in hiding By the nature of FE4, Sigurd is, in the end is just a tool At least its better than Cuan Edited July 30, 2013 by I have a Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Gabriel Knight Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Hahaha, I had no idea Sigurd was this bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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