Redwall Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 so if evasion moves are allowed why isn't haze all over the place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 because evasion is a bad tactic anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 while it's not a fun tactic, it seems like it should work just fine in contexts like doubles where you have moves like follow me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 It tends to be banned on rulesets like smogon's, but right now the meta isn't really shaped, and even then unless you do smogon things it isn't really enforced elsewhere... but a lot of people will think you're a dick for using evasion moves, and they'd be completely correct in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) while it's not a fun tactic, it seems like it should work just fine in contexts like doubles where you have moves like follow me. not according to VGC it doesn't think about it: even if you set up a minimize you still have a 60% chance of getting hit, and there's also moves that 1) disregard accuracy checks (oh hi weather teams) or 2) simply force it out also Extremespeed can go before Follow Me, what now Edited November 5, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) What I meant was that there are those who are so elitist that if you show ignorance of what they consider to be "basic knowledge," they'll treat you like dirt. Like, in some of serenes forums? *rom hacking coff coff* Fruity, I'm curious to see how well you will do in ranked battles with that team. ;P Please tell us when you've done some matches. Also... regarding ranked rules, I'm totally disappointed: Sleep Clause isn't even active, meaning that you can just put to sleep the opponent's whole team with Spore or Sleep Powder. (and no, it isn't a "smogon rule" since Sleep Clause was available in Battle Revolution) Breelom, I'm looking at you. Edited November 5, 2013 by Alfred Kamon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 because evasion is a bad tactic anyway evasion is a bad tactic on average, but it increases variance, so it's a good tactic if you're matched against a better player. you could maybe have a 10-20% winrate against a better player but then increase that to 44-52% if you use minimize, for example (using really simple math where one miss = win). YESYESYESYESYESYES~~~!!! I'm finally done with my Minimize team. It's going to be so annoying. For both participants. Because long battles. >_> you should just make a sandstorm + sand veil team instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinigo Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 YESYESYESYESYESYES~~~!!! I'm finally done with my Minimize team. It's going to be so annoying. For both participants. Because long battles. >_> Watch out for thunder and hurricane 100% accuracy in rain, I hit a +2 vaporeon on the first try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I heard that Toxic no longer misses if the user is a Poison type. Be wary of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) YESYESYESYESYESYES~~~!!! I'm finally done with my Minimize team. It's going to be so annoying. For both participants. Because long battles. >_> you are a terrible person :p watch out for aegislash with sacred sword. Edited November 5, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 I've found the ultimate combo. Beware my Carbink!! Oh, I can already hear the yells But, seriously, if what I've in mind can be realized, it will be so funny. Then Fruity we will have a match... your evasion team vs. my troll team That match shall be recorded in history books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 evasion is a bad tactic on average, but it increases variance, so it's a good tactic if you're matched against a better player. you could maybe have a 10-20% winrate against a better player but then increase that to 44-52% if you use minimize, for example (using really simple math where one miss = win). well yes that's why it's considered a scrub tactic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 The only time someone tried a sub tactics against me was with Minimize Blissey ....it was an Uber Match so you can imagine what happened next, to my keyboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 The only time someone tried a sub tactics against me was with Minimize Blissey ....it was an Uber Match so you can imagine what happened next, to my keyboard +2 Xerneas Psyshock kill right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) +2 Xerneas Psyshock kill right I drolled on my keyboard because +6 Zekrom kills 3 pokemon on the team for free Edited November 5, 2013 by Eradicator Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Ack! My team needs Stealth Rock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylphid Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Is someone free for casual battle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Yay, it seems like I got my rematch against Spaceman Craig. It was fun like always~ we should battle more, definitely. Listening to Phoenix Wright 5's Objection Themes while battling against you surely pumped me up Edit: Yeah, and my team needs a Rapid Spinner. D: With Charizard and Talonflame especially. Edited November 5, 2013 by Alfred Kamon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylphid Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Listening to Phoenix Wright 5's Objection Themes while battling against you surely pumped me up Edit: Yeah, and my team needs a Rapid Spinner. D: With Charizard and Talonflame especially. That theme makes everything awesomeI've been wondering, how viable is defog as alternative to rapid spin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Yay, it seems like I got my rematch against Spaceman Craig. It was fun like always~ we should battle more, definitely. Listening to Phoenix Wright 5's Objection Themes while battling against you surely pumped me up Edit: Yeah, and my team needs a Rapid Spinner. D: With Charizard and Talonflame especially. You knew my fire and electric weakness T.T. Gonna lay low for a while to keep the element of surprise up. k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 You knew my fire and electric weakness T.T. Gonna lay low for a while to keep the element of surprise up. k? Yep, that's just fine. :) I'll be changing some stuff as well. That theme makes everything awesome I've been wondering, how viable is defog as alternative to rapid spin? Themes* actually there are 3 objections themes in AA5: Phoenix's, Apollo's, and Athena's. The latter being the best imo. Defog can't be blocked by anything but Taunt, while Rapid Spin is nullified by any ghost-types. Defog also resets the Screens (read that somewhere but never actually proved it myself yet). The only problem is, Defog also removes hazards you put. So it's good if you run a team without hazards, otherwise just use Rapid Spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuuda Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Well, I have six trained Pokémon at last. I don't know how well they'll work together in six vs six, but if someone wants to get in line to hand my arse back to me, then I suppose I'm game. I actually have seven trained, but I didn't think having Gyarados and Salamence on the same line up would work out well. Edited November 5, 2013 by Shuuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylphid Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Themes* actually there are 3 objections themes in AA5: Phoenix's, Apollo's, and Athena's. The latter being the best imo. Defog can't be blocked by anything but Taunt, while Rapid Spin is nullified by any ghost-types. Defog also resets the Screens (read that somewhere but never actually proved it myself yet). The only problem is, Defog also removes hazards you put. So it's good if you run a team without hazards, otherwise just use Rapid Spin. Wait, they do? Never noticed... I'm off to youtube, see you Okay, Rapid Spin seems to be by far the better option. Especially after checking what pokemon actually get Defog... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Well, I have six trained Pokémon at last. I don't know how well they'll work together in six vs six, but if someone wants to get in line to hand my arse back to me, then I suppose I'm game. I actually have seven trained, but I didn't think having Gyarados and Salamence on the same line up would work out well. Give me a minute and I'm online~ Let's have some fun. Wait, they do? Never noticed... I'm off to youtube, see you Okay, Rapid Spin seems to be by far the better option. Especially after checking what pokemon actually get Defog... Phoenix's, Apollo's, Athena's. Gotta love Athena. Such a well developed character. Yeah Defog has horrible accessibility now. But when pokébank opens... it will definitely become more viable than Rapid Spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuuda Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Give me a minute and I'm online~ Let's have some fun. I'll be on briefly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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