Fruity Insanity Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Original sets are the answer for the future my friend! Don't be tricked by those boring smogon sets~ Anyway Luxray also has Guts to take in account. It's such a great ability. Intimidate pokémon work pretty well this gen. I'd say Luxray is a great counter for Talonflame. It can resist all its attacks pretty well and most likely 1HKO it in return. Actually, a lot of the smogon sets are good. But original sets are cool, too. Like my Minimize+Psych Up combo! I wouldn't waste a spot on my team just for the sake of a Talonflame counter. A mediocre one, at that. Tyranitar does the job so much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) Actually I kinda wondered why Rotom - F and Rotom - H is not used much more than they are right now F - Solid Coverage from STAB + W-o-W(compared to Zapdos who does not have Air Slash) in place of not getting roost seems solid on papers H - DEM Typing Edited November 11, 2013 by Eradicator Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 252 HP / 252+ Def Luxray takes 53% damage minimum from an Adamant Talonflame's Swords Dance-boosted Flare Blitz after accounting for Intimidate. That's not a Talonflame counter at all. Rotom-W and Heatran (once Pokebank is available) are solid Talonflame counters that fit into a lot of teams. Tyranitar works if the opponent doesn't have Steel Wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 People aren't using rotom-H that much because everyone and their mothers are using rotom-w, and you can't use both at the same time. Rotom-w works so well that I'm not willing to try rotom-H instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Zygarde vs Talonflame lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 For TalonFlame, would Careful nature(+ sp def -sp attack) be good if im running a Bulk up set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 no, always run +atk, and why would you try to increase its spdef anyway bulk up talonflame is not curselax; it's not going to be able to cover both defensive sides at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) no, always run +atk, and why would you try to increase its spdef anyway bulk up talonflame is not curselax; it's not going to be able to cover both defensive sides at once. I'm only considering Careful nature because i dont have an Adamant Fletchling/Ditto, and it will take me a while to get one. Does anybody here have an Adamant Fletchling/Ditto with good Ivs they could give me/borrow? Edited November 11, 2013 by AssassinSevera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'm only considering Careful nature because i dont have an Adamant Fletchling/Ditto, and it will take me a while to get one. Does anybody here have an Adamant Fletchling/Ditto with good Ivs they could give me/borrow? I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 I do. Can i have it/borrow it please? I've been trying to get an adamant Fletchlinder with Flawless Ivs for a while! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Can i have it/borrow it please? I've been trying to get an adamant Fletchlinder with Flawless Ivs for a while! You can keep it. I'm not sure about the IVs of this one, but at least it's an adamant female. ;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 You can keep it. I'm not sure about the IVs of this one, but at least it's an adamant female. ;P Thanks, and the IVs for it is only 31 Defense, sadly. But i guess i could at least try to get 31/31/31/x/x/31 hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Yup. Good luck with that! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondworld Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'll have to disagree with dondon. I've been testing the following Talonflame set on Pokemon Showdown: Careful nature 252 EVs in HP and Sp. Def, 4 in Atk Galewings ability(of course) Brave Bird Flare Blitz Roost Bulk Up Leftovers Results: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/pokebankoubeta-61725178 I've done many battles with this set, but current issues with the site are preventing me from sharing them. Anyway, the EVs in HP/SpD usually give it enough time to set up a Bulk Up or two, and Roost and Leftovers help it's survivability quite a bit. That battle I shared isn't the only time my Talonflame caused the opponent to ragequit. I'm not saying this set is perfect, far from it in fact, as there are ways to counter it(like any strategy), but I do believe it to be a valid option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'll have to disagree with dondon. I've been testing the following Talonflame set on Pokemon Showdown: Careful nature 252 EVs in HP and Sp. Def, 4 in Atk Galewings ability(of course) Brave Bird Flare Blitz Roost Bulk Up Leftovers Results: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/pokebankoubeta-61725178 I've done many battles with this set, but current issues with the site are preventing me from sharing them. Anyway, the EVs in HP/SpD usually give it enough time to set up a Bulk Up or two, and Roost and Leftovers help it's survivability quite a bit. That battle I shared isn't the only time my Talonflame caused the opponent to ragequit. I'm not saying this set is perfect, far from it in fact, as there are ways to counter it(like any strategy), but I do believe it to be a valid option. Well that guy did suck. He let you set up Bulk Up when he had Dragonite and he didn't even go Mega when he used Fake Out. He went Mega right after. And he really used sucker punch instead of return or something.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondworld Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Well that guy did suck. He let you set up Bulk Up when he had Dragonite and he didn't even go Mega when he used Fake Out. He went Mega right after. And he really used sucker punch instead of return or something.... Very true, but as I said before: I've done many battles with this set, but current issues with the site are preventing me from sharing them. That wasn't the only time I used that set, and certainly not the only time it proved beneficial. In the end, I'd suggest doing some Showdown testing of your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Very true, but as I said before: That wasn't the only time I used that set, and certainly not the only time it proved beneficial. In the end, I'd suggest doing some Showdown testing of your own. I did test both Adamant 252 Hp/252 Attack and Careful 252 hp/252 sp def. They both work just fine, but since i already started Adamant i guess i'll do the adamant set. Guys, just to make sure, when i put a male Fletchling with Galewings with a ditto in the Day Care, could the babies inherit Gale Wings? I read somewhere it is a 60% chance for it to inherit. My Fletchinder has IVs in Hp, Defense, and Speed and the Ditto has Ivs in Attack and Sp def. Is that how i could possibly get Fletchling with 5 Ivs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I did test both Adamant 252 Hp/252 Attack and Careful 252 hp/252 sp def. They both work just fine, but since i already started Adamant i guess i'll do the adamant set. Guys, just to make sure, when i put a male Fletchling with Galewings with a ditto in the Day Care, could the babies inherit Gale Wings? I read somewhere it is a 60% chance for it to inherit. My Fletchinder has IVs in Hp, Defense, and Speed and the Ditto has Ivs in Attack and Sp def. Is that how i could possibly get Fletchling with 5 Ivs? Exactly. You must be quite lucky for that, but it definitely can happen. They will inherit Gale Wings, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'll have to disagree with dondon. I've been testing the following Talonflame set on Pokemon Showdown: Careful nature 252 EVs in HP and Sp. Def, 4 in Atk Galewings ability(of course) Brave Bird Flare Blitz Roost Bulk Up Leftovers Results: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/pokebankoubeta-61725178 Talonflame's low stats and typing don't facilitate Bulk Upping at all. As an early-game threat, Bulk Up Talonflame gets scared off by a good number of things (say your opponent had brought out Tyranitar in that replay); even Rotom-W with no SpAtk investment does a minimum of 85% max health to a 252 HP / 252+ SDef Talonflame. As a late-game threat, Swords Dance 252+ Atk Talonflame finishes a higher number of weakened enemies (granting it more longevity) that 0 Atk Talonflame can't, and also gets to use a coverage move like Steel Wing instead of Roost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 I just got a Fletchling with IVs in Hp, Defense, Sp def, and Speed. Should i put it with a Fletchling that has IVs in Hp, Defense, and Attack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Kamon Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I just got a Fletchling with IVs in Hp, Defense, Sp def, and Speed. Should i put it with a Fletchling that has IVs in Hp, Defense, and Attack? Yeah. Just pair 'em all till you get the one you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 I keep trying but still no 5 IV Fletchling :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skynstein Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Talonflame with Galewings is answer to everything. Is he really that good? Because his base Attack is 81. That's, like, Pidgeot tier. Strong moves mitigate it somewhat, but he's never going to hit as hard as some other options. At least he's a good Blaziken killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Is he really that good? Because his base Attack is 81. That's, like, Pidgeot tier. Strong moves mitigate it somewhat, but he's never going to hit as hard as some other options. At least he's a good Blaziken killer. Talonflame gets it's fame because you can pump a load a lot more power than most priority can get. Base 81 with adamant and max EVs is decent enough with a choice band, it's great when you toss it in with priority that has double the base power of Scizor's famous Technician Bullet Punch. The fact that it's secondary STAB also packs 120 power helps it out a tonne. and well, most high power STAB moves hit pretty hard if you're backing them with a Swords dance(if you go that route) But you definitely want to max ATK as much as physically possible, because it's base is pretty paltry on it's own, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 I just can't get 5 IVs! The best ones i got were like: Hp, Attack, Defense, Speed Hp, Attack, Defense, Sp Def Hp, Attack, Sp Def, Speed I can't take all this breeding anymore! Should i just choose one of these? If so, which one? If none of these, then i guess i'll have to keep breeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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