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Heard a few things I didn't like, and the kirsche wagon looks like a counterpush. :/

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[spoiler=convo with grass, contains case on kirsche that's not meta]01[15:02] <Shinori> Like lets put it thisway

01[15:02] <Shinori> First

01[15:02] <Shinori> do you think scorri is town or scum?

01[15:02] <Shinori> I am going somewhere with this.

[15:02] <grassbridger> uh I haven't seen strong indications. If Doofina is scum then scorri is probably town, but based on non-associative reads I'd say null leaning town

01[15:03] <Shinori> OKAY

[15:03] <grassbridger> (but only slightly leaning)

01[15:03] <Shinori> So then

01[15:03] <Shinori> How do you THINK Kirsche reads scorri

[15:03] <grassbridger> are you setting up for "he said she had something to hide so that sounds like he's scumreading her but in reality he isn't"?

[15:03] <grassbridger> because that's where I'm at right now

[15:04] <grassbridger> afaik he doesn't find her that scummy

01[15:04] <Shinori> In reality when I talked to her he said she's not doign anything scummy

01[15:04] <Shinori> ER

01[15:04] <Shinori> When I talked to him

01[15:05] <Shinori> So then I ask this: What is the point for bring up to everyone in the thread that Scorri is hiding anything if he doesn't think she is doing anything scummy when Everyone in the game is technically hiding something.

[15:05] <grassbridger> yeah that was bizarre

01[15:05] <Shinori> The only reasons I can see for this

01[15:05] <Shinori> Is ioditic stupid town: Which kirsche isn't dumb

01[15:05] <Shinori> Or scum trying to get someone else to find a reason for why to lynch scorri.

[15:05] <grassbridger> what about REACTION TEST L0L

01[15:06] <Shinori> Except let me say this

01[15:06] <Shinori> a reaction test would be how she reacted mainly and how other people reacted when he talked to them

[15:06] <grassbridger> as opposed to...

01[15:06] <Shinori> The issue is when someone then goes to talk to scorri under the pretenses that she is "hiding" something.

01[15:07] <Shinori> They are going to go into the conversation already thinking she's possibly scummy.

[15:07] <grassbridger> oh I see

[15:07] <grassbridger> yeah that's reasonable, I guess

01[15:07] <Shinori> If you go into a conversation thinking someone is scummy it's easier to find someone do something scummy.

[15:07] <grassbridger> that's definitely true



[spoiler=my convo with kirsche]Session Start: Sun Dec 22 19:12:22 2013

Session Ident: kirsche

[19:12] Session Ident: kirsche (DarkMyst, Shinori) (kirsche@fwue76-226-22-816.range95-890.btcentralplus.com)

[19:12] <kirsche> yo

01[19:12] <Shinori> Howdy!

[19:12] <kirsche> are you scum

01[19:12] <Shinori> How are you this fine day?

01[19:12] <Shinori> Nope!

[19:12] <kirsche> I'm good

01[19:12] <Shinori> Am I scum if I don't want to tell you everything ond ay one? ;P

[19:12] <kirsche> whoa contain your excitement

[19:13] <kirsche> never said that

[19:13] <kirsche> have you been talking to Scorri

01[19:13] <Shinori> I've talked to a few people.

[19:13] <kirsche> I didn't even ask you anything and you bringing that up makes me like 90% certain you have

[19:13] <kirsche> are you drunk

[19:14] <kirsche> actually make that 99%

[19:14] <kirsche> 99.99

[19:14] <kirsche> who is scum?

01[19:14] <Shinori> Lol.

01[19:14] <Shinori> No I'm not drunk.

[19:14] <kirsche> ok

01[19:14] <Shinori> And I don't know who scum is.

[19:14] <kirsche> take a guess

[19:15] <kirsche> you've taked to a few people

01[19:15] <Shinori> Wouldn't know, haven't talked to too many people yet.

[19:15] <kirsche> well a complete shot in the dark then

01[19:16] <Shinori> Uh, fine a complete shot in the dark, you because it's annoying me -.-

[19:16] <kirsche> ok

[19:16] <kirsche> fair

[19:16] <kirsche> who else

01[19:16] <Shinori> I dunno. I haven't talked to too many people yet and the people I have talked to don't seem too awfully scummy.

[19:17] <kirsche> like I said: guess

[19:17] <kirsche> take a look at the player list and give me 3-5 names

01[19:18] <Shinori> That's not how you scum hunt and it doesn't help anything at all.

01[19:18] <Shinori> So.

01[19:18] <Shinori> No.

[19:18] <kirsche> wow you're such a bummer

[19:18] <kirsche> what's the harm?

01[19:18] <Shinori> What's the good?

01[19:19] <Shinori> Just so you can use it against me for future references or something if someone I say might flip scum flips town?

[19:19] <kirsche> it'll get you thinking

01[19:19] <Shinori> Baselessly guessing who the scum team is with no info

[19:19] <kirsche> lol

01[19:19] <Shinori> is completely pointless and dumb.

[19:19] <kirsche> fine whatever

01[19:19] <Shinori> And it doesn't provide any worthwhile info.

[19:19] <kirsche> no need to cry about it geez

01[19:19] <Shinori> The only thing you get out of this is a reaction.

01[19:19] <Shinori> So I hope you like the reaction you got.

[19:19] <kirsche> oo

[19:20] <kirsche> might be onto something there sherlock

01[19:20] <Shinori> You do know, the last time you did this I ended up tunneling you into oblivion.

01[19:20] <Shinori> And I was right that time on you being scum.

01[19:20] <Shinori> So

01[19:20] <Shinori> Let's do it this way.

[19:20] <kirsche> lol

01[19:20] <Shinori> Do you think Scorri is scum?

01[19:20] <Shinori> Or let me ask you this since I know you have talked to people

[19:21] <kirsche> maybe

01[19:21] <Shinori> Who do you think is scum?

[19:21] <kirsche> doofina

[19:21] <kirsche> it's in the thread

[19:21] <kirsche> everything I'm willing to tell you atm wrt reads is in teh thread

[19:22] <kirsche> I can explain some reasoning if you like

01[19:22] <Shinori> Why do you think Scorri is hiding something?

[19:23] <kirsche> because

[19:23] <kirsche> she keeps saying stuff like <Shinori> Am I scum if I don't want to tell you everything ond ay one?

[19:23] <kirsche> is this some thing you mafioso agreed on before playing or something

[19:23] <kirsche> are you scum

01[19:24] <Shinori> Explain better.

01[19:24] <Shinori> No.

[19:24] <kirsche> is Scorri your buddy

01[19:24] <Shinori> Okay I'm done.

01[19:24] <Shinori> Your scum

01[19:24] <Shinori> Time to tunnel.

[19:24] <kirsche> lol

01[19:24] <Shinori> Done talking to you

01[19:24] <Shinori> Cya

[19:24] <kirsche> urbad

01[19:24] <Shinori> And you don't have any good logica at all

01[19:24] <Shinori> for how I'm scum

01[19:24] <Shinori> You're doing the same thing you did in PiG mafia basically.

[19:24] <kirsche> I never said you were scum

[19:24] <kirsche> because in PiG I was honestly trying to find scum

01[19:24] <Shinori> <kirsche> is this some thing you mafioso agreed on before playing or something

01[19:24] <Shinori> This defintely says you are calling me a mafia along with scorri.

[19:24] <kirsche> "or something"

01[19:25] <Shinori> You called me a mafiaoso

01[19:25] <Shinori> Which is calling me a mafia.

01[19:25] <Shinori> So

01[19:25] <Shinori> You are calling me scum.

[19:25] <kirsche> or it's something else

01[19:25] <Shinori> I asked the simple question because I was curious of your response. Generally people aren't privy to giving out all the info they have on Day 1.

01[19:25] <Shinori> So honestly if you think someone is scum for it then that's bad.

01[19:25] <Shinori> HOWEVER

01[19:25] <Shinori> Someone is ALWAYS hiding something on Day 1

[19:26] <kirsche> yes

01[19:26] <Shinori> I 100% know you are hiding something.

[19:26] <kirsche> you are completely correct

01[19:26] <Shinori> So then why go out of the way to say Scorri specifically is hiding something in thread.

01[19:26] <Shinori> And tell everyone to pester her for it

01[19:26] <Shinori> I'm curious.

[19:26] <kirsche> because she has acted the most defensively over t

[19:26] <kirsche> *it

01[19:26] <Shinori> Alternatively that could mean she's a power role and you just diverted unwanted attention to her that she didn't want.

01[19:27] <Shinori> Like seriously, tell me. What good does doing what you did do for the good of the town?

[19:27] <kirsche> no power role is that obvious

[19:27] <kirsche> well she might be a power role

[19:28] <kirsche> but it's not really attracting that much attention

[19:28] <kirsche> also why would I, as scum, paint Scorri like that

[19:28] <kirsche> if I thought Scorri was hiding something that powerful I'd just shoot/convert her

01[19:29] <Shinori> Because you're frankly saying she's scummy yet not doing anything yourself.

[19:29] <kirsche> she's not scummy

01[19:29] <Shinori> This way other people go talk to her under the impression that she is "hiding something"

[19:29] <kirsche> where did I say she was scummy

[19:29] <kirsche> she is hiding something

01[19:29] <Shinori> Well you called me a mafioso and asked me if I planned it with my mafioso and we were talking about scorri

[19:29] <kirsche> other people are now going to go talk to her and scrutinise her

01[19:29] <Shinori> So it's very easy to assume that you are calling me buddies with scorri.

01[19:29] <Shinori> NOW AS I WAS SAYING

[19:30] <kirsche> lol

01[19:30] <Shinori> Other people go talk to her under the impression that she is hiding something which already puts hre in a bad light to them generally.

[19:30] <kirsche> you're super mad at that comment

[19:30] <kirsche> yeah

01[19:30] <Shinori> Because to the human mind if someone is hiding something then that's bad.

01[19:30] <Shinori> It's a lie.

[19:30] <kirsche> and if she's town she'll look better

[19:30] <kirsche> I want people to talk to her

01[19:30] <Shinori> which means they already think bad of her when they go to talk to her then if something happens and they find anything weird to them they try to lynch her or call her scum based on it.

01[19:30] <Shinori> Also, I'm not mad at all.

01[19:31] <Shinori> Honestly.

[19:31] <kirsche> sure

[19:31] <kirsche> if someone finds somethign weird when talking to her then of course they should pressure her and vote her

01[19:31] <Shinori> What makes me mad is honestly when people tell me I'm mad when I'm not because it's honestly fucking annoying.

Session Time: Mon Dec 23 00:00:00 2013

Session Time: Tue Dec 24 00:00:01 2013



I bolded a few of the more important lines I felt from the kirsche convo.

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picture flips are for losers

so you guys all decide to lynch this guy

Doofina, you are Yuri Lowell, Town JRPG Hero.

"You can't deny that lives were saved because those bastards were put down!"

You're a former knight from the city of Zaphias, residing in the lower quarter of the city. Pretty much every kid looks up to you because you're the man, and when the area's aque blastia core (read: water control) is stolen, you decide to go get it, which involves running around the world with your awesome dog and some other people who aren't nearly as cool as you. Along the way you help a princess, argue with your best friend a lot, get arrested, kill some people in cutscenes, and also save humanity. You are a JRPG Hero so you have to join this quest to slay the villains.

As a JRPG hero, you have several actions available to you because you gotta be multi-talented to beat the game etc. You may use each of the following once each, and only one per night.

-"Test USER's might in battle". Because of fight dialogue you will determine USERs alliance.

-"Steal all of USER's items." Any quintessential JRPG hero takes things from people's houses, so you will do this. USER will look all around town for their items, causing them to fail to perform any night actions they may have, but also prevent anyone from targeting them because they will have no idea where they are.

-"Run off to fight enemies somewhere." You will leave town to fight Giganto Monsters or something, and nobody will be able to target you with their night actions.

You are aligned with the town and win if all hostile forces are eliminated.

Well, that's unfortunate.

End of phase votals

Snike (1): SB

Doofina (8): Grassbridger, kirsche, Refa, jaybee, Paperblade, Snike, scorri, Eurikyns

kirsche (3): Shinori, Doofina, Shin

Polydeuces (1): The Objection!

Bluedoom (1): Polydecues

Voteless satanists (3): Bluedoom, Kay, eclipse

It's now Night 1. Night 1 ends 5:30 PM EST on December 26, or 49 hours from now.

host disclaimer: we did not fuck anything up

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Another reminder to give me logs and stuff! Any spreadsheets you make I would be interested in seeing too. If you need to invite me or something my email is reinflechezero@gmail.com

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