Flying Shogi Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Is it just me or do both fliers have trouble getting EXP unless they're fed kills when the player reaches that ship chapter with the chests? I feel like the ship chapter and following chapters are either too axe heavy or just too many enemies for the fliers to handle at once. As such, they usually just remain support units for other characters. I usually use Cordelia with Stahl and Sumia with Frederick. Sometimes I switch Sumia with Henry or Chrom but Cordelia is always with Stahl. I want to use them more than just pair ups. Any tips? I mainly play on Hard mode Classic if that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Not really. Both are excellent units, who IMO need no babying, unless it's lunatic, where everyone but Frederick also need babying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Kamina Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Not really. On hard I found Cordelia was good to go from when you got her in chapter 7, however I do think Sumia needs a little bit of babying to get good on Hard mode. (On Lunatic though I find Cordelia to be good from chapter 8 and on, and Sumia to be useless without grinding.) Edited January 9, 2014 by Kamina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Hard mode, Sumia can be easilly trained in early levels since she have the best offense. Cordy kinda hates not having support early on, but aside from Pegasus who she did not double, she is easy to train As for Lunatic mode, you need to be VERY VERY careful and make your plan with Sumia to suceed with her, but if you do, she pretty much laugh at the game after reclass to GK(which is a long time). ...you can say the same for most character though. I rike Luna and Galeforkz Cordy joined during difficulty drop Do the math Edited January 9, 2014 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Sumia and Cordelia are both really good units. Sumia's str is in that spot where it can go either way, but it will go lower more often than not. Cordelia's str and spd are a healthy 60 both. Aside from Sumia's 1 turn of difference and speed for doubling C8 myrms, they're both about equal in HM due to Sumia's availability advantage. Cordelia can spiral out of control and get rather ridiculous in relation to HM enemies. In LM, Cordelia is definetely the more viable of the 2, but Sumia is definetely still trainable and can serve as Fred's partner-in-crime until he retires, making the earlygame a lot easier. Though it is very hard to supply her with actual experience, due to the nature of Lunatic needing Fred. Edited January 9, 2014 by PKL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Sumia and Cordelia are both really good units. PKL'S SEEN THE LIGHT! I agree with all of PKL's post. And honestly, if Sumia's STR and DEF are low for you, you can always reclass her to GK for a while, or something. Helps her out quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Real men use GK Sumia until end game They didn't LTC obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 PKL'S SEEN THE LIGHT! I agree with all of PKL's post. And honestly, if Sumia's STR and DEF are low for you, you can always reclass her to GK for a while, or something. Helps her out quite a bit. I've always thought both of them are great. Because they are, and they both can fix their problems, easily. Sumia fixes her durability issues by supporting Frederick, and Cordelia likes Stahl. Real men use GK Sumia until end game GK Sumia is awful, it makes her look silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I've always thought both of them are great. Because they are, and they both can fix their problems, easily. Sumia fixes her durability issues by supporting Frederick, and Cordelia likes Stahl. GK Sumia is awful, it makes her look silly. Honestly everyone looks dumb in armor in awakening, and I love generals. But not having a helmet is just silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Real men use Cleric!Sumia until Apo Edited January 9, 2014 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Sumia love love loves Frederick as a support. And Frederick loves Sumia as a support. Shes a speed support for him and thats neato, hes a defense/strength support for her. Early game, those two on Pair Up rape face. Sumia is still fragile though (even on Hard) so be careful. But its pretty easy on Hard to get Sumia where she needs to be with proper support partners. Cordelia is relatively easy to use right out of the box which is nice. She likes Stahl like someone already mentioned. Avatar isnt a bad support for her either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Shogi Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Hard mode, Sumia can be easilly trained in early levels since she have the best offense. Cordy kinda hates not having support early on, but aside from Pegasus who she did not double, she is easy to train I find Sumia easy to train during the early chapters as Fredderick's boosts are really useful. As for Cordelia, I usually train her until Lv.10 in the DLC so she at least has C support with Stahl. Both do well until I reach that ship chapter. It's like that chapter is a magical point in my playthroughs that just makes it hard to use both of them. I don't know if waiting until Lv.20 to promote makes a difference or not but I just don't use the fliers offensively as much as I did in earlier chapters once that chapter rolls around. Cordelia can spiral out of control and get rather ridiculous in relation to HM enemies. I hear you on this one. I usually get Cordelia's that don't get as much speed as I like. She would do just fine dishing out and taking hits but she would get Speed screwed in some playthroughs. I agree with all of PKL's post. And honestly, if Sumia's STR and DEF are low for you, you can always reclass her to GK for a while, or something. Helps her out quite a bit. To be honest, my most recent playthrough of Awakening, over half of my team were GKs. I think I may go General!Sumia for my next playthrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Real men use Cleric!Sumia until Apo I agree dem rescue op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Cleric Sumia's sprite is adorable...but I never actually did that. I re-class her to Battle Nun after going through Dark Flier or Falknight (rather rare). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skynstein Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Sumia is nice to use with either Chrom or Frederick because of Spd and important Res boost which really helps the aforementioned characters against mages (Frederick's only weakness besides Hammer). Cordelia comes with Steel Lance which really improves her Mt, and has excellent synergy with Stahl. You might not want to train her against the wyverns in Chapter 7 though. Chapter 12 is a real help to them... One of the knights drops Beast Killer. Valm is cavalry heavy and either Sumia or Cordelia can make excellent use of the weapon. My preference is, obviously, Cordelia. She's more balanced while only being a little slower, and can function well as Hero which might be even better than her starting class. Sumia has excess Skl and Spd growths and her Str is a bit iffy and untrustworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Real men use Cleric!Sumia until Apo I can't tell if you're being serious, but on Lunatic (no DLC) this is actually a viable strategy. By feeding Sumia hard in cht.3/4, you can reclass her to Cleric before clearing cht.4, bait Marth into a corner to get trapped, and use that Parallel Falchion as a source of infinite damage to abuse for infinite exp with heal staves. About the Axe problems: there are tons of Axes in the first arc, but the Barbarians and Wyverns pretty much disappear once you reach Valm. Instead you get lots of Swords, Lances and Cavalry, making Beastkillers, Superior Lances and Lances in general a great weapon type to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I can't tell if you're being serious, but on Lunatic (no DLC) this is actually a viable strategy. I am a fan of battle nuns, and I so feel like doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berret Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I found that I had to baby Cordelia a lot, but I had no trouble with Sumia for some reason, I do love grinding though, so I did not mind leveling Cordelia up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 One time I used Sumia (DF->GK) and she got bullshitly strength blessed and Galeforcing Great Knight was fun as fuck was nice wasn't difficult to use either The Fred pair really does work wonders for her Haven't really used Cordelia yet, will use once I do my next 2 L+ runs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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