BBM Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 WHOA BT is reading this game anonyvote not being there is most likely just because Iris doesn't have access to my role PM. I didn't see it wasn't Iris at first. @Refa- that's sidestepping the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 (edited) Also surely BBM could just add Iris to his Role PM? Everyone, should, obviously. Edited April 12, 2014 by Iris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strege Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 First point on rolecop - did you forget my initial Ninja claim, and how I look like a miller to a rolecop? This should've made a straight rolecop claim easier, unless you think I'm scum along with Manix. These two things finally clicked for me and I'm less enthusiastic about Manix-lynch. I really don't see scum!Manix assuming that a vanilla checker was plausible but a rolecop wasn't without knowing a tonne about the setup. TBH the only person other than Elie I think might be scum atm is Strege. I remember him saying something like "BBM isn't normally reactionary" but this is trash because he of all people knows that I am reactionary. In high school I got a reputation for having a temper for like two years because of an argument I got into with him where I wasn't even actually angry. Yeah I know that's a small thing to base an entire scumread off but it just really stuck out to me. fwiw I don't remember that event, and if I thought you had a temper I'd have been a very cruel or masochistic person to argue with you as much as I did. The rest of that bit on you might be more descriptive. Oh hey I found out why meta arguments are discouraged~ Anywho, network maintenance on my end so I might be out again for a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Still need to puzzle out what happened, but I'm throwing Bal's flip into the mix. The lack of description on death makes figuring things out a hell of a lot harder. This'll be pertinent as soon as I figure out whether or not my new theory holds water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 really you don't remember ABSOLUTE ROHAN in physics class??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strege Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 fwiw I don't remember that event, and if I thought you had a temper I'd have been a very cruel or masochistic person to argue with you as much as I did. The rest of that bit on you might be more descriptive. i.e. my bit on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conqueror Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Could you describe what you're talking about, eclipse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 @Refa- that's sidestepping the question. I already mentioned how I was demoralized and not really sure of my scum reads. Hence why I didn't have anything to do with my vote. If you don't believe that, that's up to you, but there's nothing more I can say that'll add anything whatsoever. These two things finally clicked for me and I'm less enthusiastic about Manix-lynch. I really don't see scum!Manix assuming that a vanilla checker was plausible but a rolecop wasn't without knowing a tonne about the setup. Because there might be a Town Rolecop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strege Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 really you don't remember ABSOLUTE ROHAN in physics class??? Oh, yeah. Still not relevant to my wishy-washy-metay read on you, but I vaguely remember you being the metric unit for anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Could you describe what you're talking about, eclipse? It ties into my role, and it hinges on some extremely weird stuff that happened on N1. I'll need to claim, among other things, which is why I need to be absolutely certain that my theory is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 i hope these are right Votals Manix (4) - j00, Conquerer, SB, Refa SB (4) - Strege, Elieson, Kaoz, Scarlet Elieson (2) - BigBangMeteor, ???????? Refa (2) - Manix, eclipse You have 3 hours and 43 minutes left in the day. With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. No majority will result in UNIVERSAL LOSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 @Conq- I'm not saying that scum don't claim Vanilla but I'm saying they don't claim it when they're being forced to claim under a lynch. The only time I ever remember scum doing so was when they actually were a Vanilla. Anyways I finished reading Refa. My read on him is depressingly leaning town overall but that's less than my read on Manix and SB so I guess I will move my votes there if nobody wants to lynch Elie but I think you should lynch Elie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strege Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Because there might be a Town Rolecop? Rolecop is just a massively better vanilla checker. Even if Manix then claimed extra abilities he'd draw a lot of attention, especially for not initially claiming them. Manix either knew there wasn't a rolecop or-- damn it I just realized Manix could just as plausibly be scum if they have a rolecop. nvm i am dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Anyways I finished reading Refa. My read on him is depressingly leaning town overall but that's less than my read on Manix and SB so I guess I will move my votes there if nobody wants to lynch Elie but I think you should lynch Elie. You just didn't appreciate my brilliant storyboarding enough. ;_; I'd rather lynch Elieson than me but I still think Manix is more likely to flip scum. Also I'll have to reread Elieson which I didn't do because I didn't think he'd be a viable lynch target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I think the argument that Manix would claim Rolecop as scum Rolecop is logically incorrect because assuming Eclipse is town, scum would assume that there is a town Rolecop and would not want to claim it unless they were willing to sac themselves to draw out a CC. That being said Manix is still town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Y'know who else is highly likely to be town? Elieson. Screw it, this needs to be done. Two extremely strange things happened last night: 1. Someone gave me OC with Elieson (hence my hesitation to put down a vote early). 2. Elieson said someone tampered with his night action. #2 is why I think he's town - what happened to him sounds eerily similar to my own role, which I didn't target him with. Furthermore, I can't actually use my role until N2, at earliest. Lastly, I don't think my role and whatever hit Elieson can coexist as town - thus, I think that scum targeted Elieson last night, and therefore, Elieson is town based upon my own role conjecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Tablet posting is gay - top tier Prims (baby harp seal) Conq (can kill people) - this could lead to some interesting posts tier me BBM (give PRs to someone who can use them next time tho) - okay tier Refa (announcer) Bal (why not announce miller?) - for what purpose tier Manix (vanilla checker) - not appearing on tier lists ninjaclipse I'm aware this is extremely unhelpful at this point, but I'm forced to post this once a day. I'd go along a Refa lynch, but since this is reduced to being between SB and Manix I really don't want to lynch SB over Manix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Y'know who else is highly likely to be town? Elieson. Screw it, this needs to be done. Two extremely strange things happened last night: 1. Someone gave me OC with Elieson (hence my hesitation to put down a vote early). 2. Elieson said someone tampered with his night action. #2 is why I think he's town - what happened to him sounds eerily similar to my own role, which I didn't target him with. Furthermore, I can't actually use my role until N2, at earliest. Lastly, I don't think my role and whatever hit Elieson can coexist as town - thus, I think that scum targeted Elieson last night, and therefore, Elieson is town based upon my own role conjecture. 2 was me. It doesn't mean he's town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Uh, let me see if I got his right eclipse: Elieson got targeted by something that seems similar to what your own role, ie. there's apparently duplicates of your role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 now I am confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 2 was me. It doesn't mean he's town. Today's lynch is between you and me. My full role is Ninja Roleblocker (which is why I immediately claimed half of it). I don't see how both of our roles can exist simultaneously, even with the gigantic nerf on mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I don't get the point of this 1v1 because presumably if SB was Scum!Roleblocker and you claimed Roleblocker why would he CC you? OTOH, why would you even want to get into a 1v1 with him if that were true? My head hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I don't get the point of this 1v1 because presumably if SB was Scum!Roleblocker and you claimed Roleblocker why would he CC you? OTOH, why would you even want to get into a 1v1 with him if that were true? My head hurts. Basically this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 My role kind of implies scum Roleblocker anyway, so woop? @Bal: In Touhou NOCfia Prims gave a townie (Marth, I think?) a passive Ninja modifier, so it's a nulltell. If people want to claim negative utility parts to their roles, power to them (if you count BBM's PR thing as negative utility, anyway.) Do you have any actual reads on people so far? You commented on a lot of stuff but didn't really seem to have any? We can't really afford to delay consolidation for much longer. Refa got on Skype so he should be in here soon? I delay people's night actions and empower them the following night, presumably so I can't keep delaying the same person. I can also just plain empower them, but I have to idle the night after and that's boring as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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