Vennobennu Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Anyway, the NMM is bare bones but it'll allow someone to search for patterns if they want. Right now we can't actually test anything so not only is it hard to find anything but there isn't much fun in it since we can't like, unlock exclusive weapons or make non-forgeable weapons forgeable or something (I have a feeling the bytes that control those things would be in the item data). XP Items in Fe12 do have flags that control character/class locks and whether or not they can be forged (and a flag that controls whether the item shows up as already forged, amusingly enough), so it's a decent bet that FE13's items work the same way. Edited October 17, 2014 by Vennobennu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celice Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 actually I just went ahead and made a Nightmare module since it almost feels like tradition around here (or maybe I'm the only one who feels that way since it's been almost 10 years since the first NMM's popped up and I started playing with them, lol) It's so weird to still see Nightmare survive here. I introduced it to FESS a decade ago (along with unlz-gba, which then VincentASM started a FE8 FESSer project brielfly), and the community started using it a year or so afterwards. But the original release never really got much attention, and the tool never got popular with anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roflolxp54 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Goodness -- all of these image dumps! Keep up the great work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoniker Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 You know, one of those dance skills doesn't look familiar, and I can't find it on the wiki. Do you think its a hidden skill like the FE9/10 skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Wait, we know about Special Dance, but what the hell is that thing? Were they gonna have dance as a regular skill? Edited October 18, 2014 by shadowofchaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Red Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) @Venno yup, you can probably guess if you determine which items are which and then compare special weapons to others and such (which the NMM helps with; easier than looking at things through a hex editor, IMO) but as I said, that sounds like too much work for something that we can't reap the benefits of (giving some random character a forged Falcon or something, lol) @Celice yup, things just work out in funny ways sometimes haha, I have an odd, almost nostalgic attachment to NMM's myself, they're really nothing special to use or make but as a kid they were certainly fun little toys to play with and simple enough that I could understand them XD no idea on the dance skill, I wonder if the name is hidden in the data somewhere... Edited October 18, 2014 by Trails in the Blaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Wait, we know about Special Dance, but what the hell is that thing? Were they gonna have dance as a regular skill? It's possible. Dance/Canto is a skill for 4/5/9 so maybe they had originally wanted you to always be able to have Olivia dance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Light Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) It looks like the sprite sheets include multipurpose sprites one time per thing that uses them, which perplexes me a little, although I may just not know enough about programming to know why they did it that way. It is interesting to note, though, that there appears to be a weapon rank for... regular items? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the swirly one next to it is Grima's breath, but what's the little bag used for? I don't recall seeing it anywhere, so I'm thinking it's unused. Edited October 18, 2014 by Starlight36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) It looks like the graphic directories include multipurpose sprites one time per thing that uses them, which perplexes me a little, although I may just not know enough about programming to know why they did it that way. It is interesting to note, though, that there appears to be a weapon rank for... regular items? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the swirly one next to it is Grima's breath, but what's the little bag used for? I don't recall seeing it anywhere, so I'm thinking it's unused. Did you forget the storage where it shows all the items by type? Edited October 18, 2014 by shadowofchaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fengaridotdll Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 WHAT IS THIS!? WHAT IS THIS!? WHAT IS MY LIFE!? (Thumbs up if you get the Game Grumps joke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Light Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Did you forget the storage where it shows all the items by type? ...Well, look at that. I guess I did. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobazco Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 WHAT IS THIS!? WHAT IS THIS!? WHAT IS MY LIFE!? (Thumbs up if you get the Game Grumps joke) Um... These arnt the youtube comments. I don't think theres even a thumbs up option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Blazer guessed right; they're still in the process of ripping all the portraits. I gave them a little tip and with luck we'll be able to salvage all the files ctrtool missed. Dunno about confession images just yet. EDIT Have some fun icons. More here Oh wow, I've always wanted a complete set of perfect quality icons for this game (I've been intending to make an experimental Apo simulator for some time now and having original graphics would save me a ton of time making it). When do you think we'll see map sprites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookofholsety Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 When do you think we'll see map sprites? someone on the spriter's resource has got lord!chrom's map sprites ripped, so at the very least it's starting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) someone on the spriter's resource has got lord!chrom's map sprites ripped, so at the very least it's startingI'll leave the map sprites to them too. I think map sprites are easier to rip than portraits, but I can't do everything XD Speaking of UI rips, I've got a lot more of them here. Not all of them yet. Some fun ones: Also, the extra dance icon is indeed for a generic "Dance" skill. I'm not 100% but its description might be "Use "Dance" to allow an adjacent ally to act again." That or this is the first row of the "Special Dance" description (I'm lazy to check). Edited October 18, 2014 by VincentASM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookofholsety Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) it probably says a lot about my priorities that this one actually stood out to me, specifically the "x2" and "x4" markers. neither of these versions look familiar as far as fe13's finished interface goes, though they certainly resemble ones from earlier games. it's a minor thing, but nonetheless there it is oh and this one. the bottom set of arrows don't look familiar either Edited October 18, 2014 by bookofholsety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceBrand Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 I know you all are just getting to the meat of things, but, has anyone found the growth rates of the characters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) it probably says a lot about my priorities that this one actually stood out to me, specifically the "x2" and "x4" markers. neither of these versions look familiar as far as fe13's finished interface goes, though they certainly resemble ones from earlier games. it's a minor thing, but nonetheless there it is oh and this one. the bottom set of arrows don't look familiar either Hey, that's cool. I'm not very observant when it comes to the UI. Some minor findings before I leave for a bit. 1. Walhart was called "Waltrud" at some point (can't find the Japanese equivalent at the moment; I've looked through too many files). 2. Stahl, Lon'qu and Olivia have map sprites as Heroes, despite not having access to Fighter or Mercenary. Maybe Hero was a class option for Myrmidon? Say'ri too. 3. There's a faction (I think) called "フェリア反乱軍" (Feroxi Rebels). Does this appear anywhere? Was Feroxi going to have a civil war at some point? Makes sense with the two Khans. EDIT I know you all are just getting to the meat of things, but, has anyone found the growth rates of the characters?Growth rates are ciphered like in FE12. There was some discussion about them in the first page or so. As it stands, most of the existing growths are accurate, but because of the cipher, extreme growths (anything other 70) or non-standard growths (not multiples of 5) are impossible to figure out. EDIT2: Here is the link to the character growths. Class growths are on hold as I need to generate data. Edited October 18, 2014 by VincentASM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookofholsety Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) 2. Stahl, Lon'qu and Olivia have map sprites as Heroes, despite not having access to Fighter or Mercenary. Maybe Hero was a class option for Myrmidon? Say'ri too. fe4 and 5 had the hero (or at least knockoffs with different names) as a myrmidon promotion option, so it makes sense that they would've at least considered restoring that at some point during development. what makes less sense is that it survived long enough for the personalised map sprites to exist; i'd have thought that was the sort of thing they would've held back on putting effort into until the class family structure was finalised it's a silly little musing, but suddenly i wonder if these sprites would be functional if one were to hack these characters into being heroes Edited October 18, 2014 by bookofholsety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Blazer guessed right; they're still in the process of ripping all the portraits. I gave them a little tip and with luck we'll be able to salvage all the files ctrtool missed. Dunno about confession images just yet. EDIT Have some fun icons. Looks like there's a second, unused, dance skill. Pity. EDIT: I am not the first person to notice this. Of course I'm not. Edited October 18, 2014 by Alastor15243 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fengaridotdll Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 it probably says a lot about my priorities that this one actually stood out to me, specifically the "x2" and "x4" markers. neither of these versions look familiar as far as fe13's finished interface goes, though they certainly resemble ones from earlier games. it's a minor thing, but nonetheless there it is oh and this one. the bottom set of arrows don't look familiar either The first 3 arrows are from the Hubba Tester, which is only really used for lolz on a bad day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 fe4 and 5 had the hero (or at least knockoffs with different names) as a myrmidon promotion option, so it makes sense that they would've at least considered restoring that at some point during development. what makes less sense is that it survived long enough for the personalised map sprites to exist; i'd have thought that was the sort of thing they would've held back on putting effort into until the class family structure was finalised it's a silly little musing, but suddenly i wonder if these sprites would be functional if one were to hack these characters into being heroes they likely wouldn't have models so that would cause an issue Hey, that's cool. I'm not very observant when it comes to the UI. Some minor findings before I leave for a bit. 1. Walhart was called "Waltrud" at some point (can't find the Japanese equivalent at the moment; I've looked through too many files). 2. Stahl, Lon'qu and Olivia have map sprites as Heroes, despite not having access to Fighter or Mercenary. Maybe Hero was a class option for Myrmidon? Say'ri too. 3. There's a faction (I think) called "フェリア反乱軍" (Feroxi Rebels). Does this appear anywhere? Was Feroxi going to have a civil war at some point? Makes sense with the two Khans. EDIT Growth rates are ciphered like in FE12. There was some discussion about them in the first page or so. As it stands, most of the existing growths are accurate, but because of the cipher, extreme growths (anything other 70) or non-standard growths (not multiples of 5) are impossible to figure out. EDIT2: Here is the link to the character growths. Class growths are on hold as I need to generate data. what exactly does ciphered mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fengaridotdll Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 No harm in having fun with it. I think it'll be a lot more fun once we actually are able to test any of these. There's no current publicly released way to run modified decrypted ROMs yet... at least a user friendly one. I recall there have been people on GBATemp who've modified ROMs and took pictures of it running. Too bad so far it's 4.5 firmware flashcarts only. It would be considered the 14th game if we cont TS as canon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) what exactly does ciphered mean?The developers masked the real growth rates so they look like garbled numbers instead of the usual 1E = growth rate of 30%. These "garbled numbers" are read by an algorithm in the game which converts them to the actual growth rates. But we don't know what that algorithm is. Basically the developers know we hack the games, so they tried to prevent us from reading the most important data. In FE12, you could use the emulator debug tools to read the algorithm, but dunno if anybody is that proficient in 3DS hacking to do it for this game. What I do is use a work-around to convert the garbled numbers into less garbled numbers and then map them to real growths. But this involves knowing the mapping (we can map most of the numbers thanks to the guidebooks). It would be considered the 14th game if we cont TS as canonNo, BS Fire Emblem is the extra 5th game according to Nintendo (ever since FE12 came out). Edited October 18, 2014 by VincentASM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fengaridotdll Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 The developers masked the real growth rates so they look like garbled numbers instead of the usual 1E = growth rate of 30%. These "garbled numbers" are read by an algorithm in the game which converts them to the actual growth rates. But we don't know what that algorithm is. Basically the developers know we hack the games, so they tried to prevent us from reading the most important data. In FE12, you could use the emulator debug tools to read the algorithm, but dunno if anybody is that proficient in 3DS hacking to do it for this game. What I do is use a work-around to convert the garbled numbers into less garbled numbers and then map them to real growths. But this involves knowing the mapping (we can map most of the numbers thanks to the guidebooks). No, BS Fire Emblem is the extra 5th game according to Nintendo (ever since FE12 came out). Oh *Hits head repeatedly with Bolting tome* That was so fail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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